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legendary
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March 05, 2016, 10:26:50 AM
#47
I've been told that plenty of people have taken him seriously and his precence has been an issue on a number of fronts and to a number of people.  There is evidence that was the case, not just interpretation or supposition.

My complete objection to his ability to promote hate by brandishing a hate image and tagline that states his support to take over is sufficient evidence that one or more people are affected by him.

It's easy to say he is harmless when you have zero evidence to the contrary.

I'm pissed because a core member of our dev team walked away from a years worth of work because of this harmless ISIS avatar.  So execuse me if i disagree with your view that it has no impact.  

I had him on ignore for months. But ignoring cancer doesn't work. Turning a blind eye lets the cancer grow.

Fuck his rights to quietly brandish hate and support the destruction of thousands of years of historical artefacts and world heritage sites because the sysmbols on those historic buildings showed images that they disagreed with.  They take images seriously, but we should not?

Yeah, fuck that.I don't trust him. Neg'd the fucker so others know he is a cancer and not to be trusted.

Countrys like USA, UK or Germany (just to name a few) killed more people for their belives than ISIS ever will. I dont see you moan about YPII (sorry mate i cant recall another member with a flag).

Why not blame the USA, arent we in this situation because they messed up?  

EDIT: I am not supporting that guy, its just what came up my mind. Not saying i dont care about it.
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March 05, 2016, 08:46:52 AM
#46
I need to know what negative trust ratings are for
To my knowledge, negative trust is left on the accounts of those who are scammers or those that the person leaving the trust think that are scammers but I have been seeing people leave negative trust for reasons that have nothing to do with scamming, just their opinion

When I look on the trust page, I see the following,
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Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.

If a person leaves negative trust for none of the above reasons, is it not abuse of the system?

I see what you did there.

Giving an ISIS supporter who uses his avatar to subliminally promote violence is something that should be defended. So what if there is no way of stopping him from brandishing hate as long as he doesn't post anything promoting hate?

So everyone around him just has to shut the fuck up because he has the right to support an illegal terrorist organisation that many countries are currently at war with.

Fuck the people who died in Paris. Fuck the people who drown each day escaping the terrorists. Fuck the people who get their heads cut off because it's cheaper than raising money for advertising.

Let him brandish hate in peace.

But, wait.  If he is allowed to be involved with profiting from a currency project, won't he use that profit to fund terrorist activities? Go head, defend his fucking rights.

Yeah, I don't trust someone who is actively promoting taking over the world by means of violence.  Even if it is just a fucking avatar.  It stands for something and innocent people die each day for what that avatar stands for.

So get me fucking banned for giving a terrorist supporter negative trust.  That would be so ironic, but as long as it sits well with your moral compass.

Let's just finish that thought off with a question as to why r/btc exists?  Rules can be broken, but not when it comes to letting terrorist supporters spread their cancer among us.
You guys are incredibly stupid if you think this guy has nothing at all to do with isis, he just put the flag there to get some attention and you guys have given him that attention, the negative trust will trick new users into thinking the guy is legit isis, when his trust waz neutral, no-one took him seriously and we all knew he was trying to attract attention
legendary
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March 05, 2016, 08:37:12 AM
#45
I need to know what negative trust ratings are for
To my knowledge, negative trust is left on the accounts of those who are scammers or those that the person leaving the trust think that are scammers but I have been seeing people leave negative trust for reasons that have nothing to do with scamming, just their opinion

When I look on the trust page, I see the following,
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Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.

If a person leaves negative trust for none of the above reasons, is it not abuse of the system?

I see what you did there.

Giving an ISIS supporter who uses his avatar to subliminally promote violence is something that should be defended. So what if there is no way of stopping him from brandishing hate as long as he doesn't post anything promoting hate?

So everyone around him just has to shut the fuck up because he has the right to support an illegal terrorist organisation that many countries are currently at war with.

Fuck the people who died in Paris. Fuck the people who drown each day escaping the terrorists. Fuck the people who get their heads cut off because it's cheaper than raising money for advertising.

Let him brandish hate in peace.

But, wait.  If he is allowed to be involved with profiting from a currency project, won't he use that profit to fund terrorist activities? Go head, defend his fucking rights.

Yeah, I don't trust someone who is actively promoting taking over the world by means of violence.  Even if it is just a fucking avatar.  It stands for something and innocent people die each day for what that avatar stands for.

So get me fucking banned for giving a terrorist supporter negative trust.  That would be so ironic, but as long as it sits well with your moral compass.

Let's just finish that thought off with a question as to why r/btc exists?  Rules can be broken, but not when it comes to letting terrorist supporters spread their cancer among us.

If you think he is a scammer and you strongly belive it, -ve him. its that easy. If you cant stand other people support things you dont like, you are to weak for the world.
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March 05, 2016, 05:48:42 AM
#44
You have to be a trusted member of Bitcointalk to even leave a trusted rating on someone else's profile. So you can't really abuse the trust system.
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March 04, 2016, 06:22:32 AM
#43
Basically, with each individual, they have a trust rating. You should take notice and keep in mind that anyone can leave feedback. There are certain members of the community who are "Default Trust" (DT). Individuals who are (DT) are generally trusted by people who have substantial reputation,trading history or have been active for quite some time. A negative trust rating is basically a indicator that the person you are dealing with should be dealt with discretion. You should avoid those who have negative trust because it is generally received for doing something wrong. Various things that can get you negative trust include scamming, ponzis, defaulting on loans, and other frowned upon activities that are not legal. You should be familiar with who you are dealing with and after quite a while, you know who to trust and who is a reputable person.
legendary
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March 04, 2016, 05:50:24 AM
#42
Got to admit that the trust system here is flawed as anyone can leave a trust rating without being sure that the other person is trusted or not. DT members have certain responsibility while leaving ratings but some have misused their power in the past and have left ratings for personal reasons even though it's mentioned to mark a negative if you consider the person is a scammer. It happens a lot with escrows who leave a positive rating when any users uses their services and it happened with escrow.ms leaving random ratings. People who own ponzis, buy accounts with a positive trust, sell illegal goods, scam users and default on a loan should definitely be marked negative.
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March 04, 2016, 05:45:26 AM
#41
Mexxer, I've removed the neg by the way - it served it's purpose.
Well then, since you stopped the promotion of the ponzi schemescam in the interval according to my "Policy" I suppose I should remove the tag.
member
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March 04, 2016, 04:57:40 AM
#40
Mexxer, I've removed the neg by the way - it served it's purpose.
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March 04, 2016, 04:55:11 AM
#39
Forgot to add I do think it is unfair for users to be given negative trust for participating in a Ponzi thread - a neutral would be better - as the punishment  Roll Eyes for participating and for actually carrying out the Ponzi scam are the same.
You were promoting the ponzi directly in your Personal text, and posting outside the Investors based games. Which is why the neg

Also, good thing you finally are managing your trust list but others can still see the neg from DT as trusted, as most users have DT in their trust ist by default



I was posting the faucet aspect which while it was running was very good - 0.0006BTC a day. As soon as the site died and the admin ran off I removed the personal text. I never advised people to upgrade and put their own money in and in the thread itself only gave honest feedback on my experience at the time and when it went tits up posted that too.

I know others can see the negative feedback, but I can't so it doesn't bother me.

Cryptodick is still ignored, because he is not worth the effort responding to.
legendary
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March 04, 2016, 04:37:38 AM
#38
Forgot to add I do think it is unfair for users to be given negative trust for participating in a Ponzi thread - a neutral would be better - as the punishment  Roll Eyes for participating and for actually carrying out the Ponzi scam are the same.

So the victims of the scam are punished twice, sometimes a third time as there has been occasions where a sig campaign has kicked them out for the unjust punishment of receiving a neg feedback.

Maybe the heavy handed self appointed Ponzi police should think a little of the ramifications of their actions.  Shocked

Which part of, "I will remove the negative rating if they delete their participation posts" is complicated?

Yesterday alone I tagged and then subsequently removed about a dozen ratings from people who complied. So, no, it isn't heavy-handed it is fair and effective.
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March 04, 2016, 03:43:22 AM
#37
Forgot to add I do think it is unfair for users to be given negative trust for participating in a Ponzi thread - a neutral would be better - as the punishment  Roll Eyes for participating and for actually carrying out the Ponzi scam are the same.
You were promoting the ponzi directly in your Personal text, and posting outside the Investors based games. Which is why the neg

Also, good thing you finally are managing your trust list but others can still see the neg from DT as trusted, as most users have DT in their trust ist by default

member
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March 04, 2016, 03:37:38 AM
#36
Forgot to add I do think it is unfair for users to be given negative trust for participating in a Ponzi thread - a neutral would be better - as the punishment  Roll Eyes for participating and for actually carrying out the Ponzi scam are the same.

So the victims of the scam are punished twice, sometimes a third time as there has been occasions where a sig campaign has kicked them out for the unjust punishment of receiving a neg feedback.

Maybe the heavy handed self appointed Ponzi police should think a little of the ramifications of their actions.  Shocked
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March 04, 2016, 03:28:39 AM
#35
I just changed my Default trust level to 0, now I can't see any red flags on my trust level and am free to post what I like without having to worry about getting a negative from people who don't agree with me.

I'm not going to be joining a sig campaign, because I don't agree with them so it makes no difference to me.
legendary
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March 02, 2016, 09:08:04 PM
#34
Another assumption but thats a fact for you, right?

you proved it with your last posts on different topics.

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Have seen this happen on enough forums to know it ends bad for everyone.

So you think the current state is way better?

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I don't like people seeking it out like its the hip new thing. If its the same people all day long, maybe theres a reason.

Currently there are more than 600k+ registered users here (dont nail me on the number) but i only see a few complain that are not tagged as scammers (and i respect their posts) i see a lot of scammers complain and finally you. makes about 599500 user who had been left alone.

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The language used or snarky responses just proves its not about community and about image. Building trust to get more business, get more power.

Again, power is given to someone, you dont run around and collect it like XP.

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More sinister, the long scam once the dominoes are in place. Scammers are all about building trust.

Well, have an eye on us and watch our steps so you can -ve and report us, in the rare case one of "us" will scam... Roll Eyes

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Its not about community, so its?

It is, you just dont get it.
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March 02, 2016, 09:00:26 PM
#33
Simply put, no matter what people say in this thread, people give them for whatever they think they need to give it.
Some are crusaders looking for scammers, others just dont like the other etc etc.
It is just abused.
But you are lumping people that disagree as people that just hate the people, its the tactic that is the issue! Not gonna go at any other aspect, think you mean well.
Negative reps are here to publicly show how "(un)trusted" a user is. Trustable people get +reps, and and other people trust them. Scammers get -reps, and people don't trust them.
We are talking about abuse of ratings in paticular, title might have thrown you.

you even dont know what abuse is. just face the facts: you dont like certain ratings because you dont agree with them. doesnt mean someone got abused... get over it

Another assumption but thats a fact for you, right?
Have seen this happen on enough forums to know it ends bad for everyone.
I don't like people seeking it out like its the hip new thing. If its the same people all day long, maybe theres a reason.
The language used or snarky responses just proves its not about community and about image. Building trust to get more business, get more power.
More sinister, the long scam once the dominoes are in place. Scammers are all about building trust.
Its not about community, so its?
legendary
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March 02, 2016, 08:41:09 PM
#32
Simply put, no matter what people say in this thread, people give them for whatever they think they need to give it.
Some are crusaders looking for scammers, others just dont like the other etc etc.
It is just abused.
But you are lumping people that disagree as people that just hate the people, its the tactic that is the issue! Not gonna go at any other aspect, think you mean well.
Negative reps are here to publicly show how "(un)trusted" a user is. Trustable people get +reps, and and other people trust them. Scammers get -reps, and people don't trust them.
We are talking about abuse of ratings in paticular, title might have thrown you.

you even dont know what abuse is. just face the facts: you dont like certain ratings because you dont agree with them. doesnt mean someone got abused... get over it
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March 02, 2016, 06:18:02 PM
#31
Simply put, no matter what people say in this thread, people give them for whatever they think they need to give it.
Some are crusaders looking for scammers, others just dont like the other etc etc.
It is just abused.
But you are lumping people that disagree as people that just hate the people, its the tactic that is the issue! Not gonna go at any other aspect, think you mean well.
Negative reps are here to publicly show how "(un)trusted" a user is. Trustable people get +reps, and and other people trust them. Scammers get -reps, and people don't trust them.
We are talking about abuse of ratings in paticular, title might have thrown you.
legendary
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March 02, 2016, 06:05:44 PM
#30
Negative reps are here to publicly show how "(un)trusted" a user is. Trustable people get +reps, and and other people trust them. Scammers get -reps, and people don't trust them.
newbie
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March 02, 2016, 01:26:30 PM
#29
Simply put, no matter what people say in this thread, people give them for whatever they think they need to give it.
Some are crusaders looking for scammers, others just dont like the other etc etc.
It is just abused.

Thanks, I learned a lot from this thread, I had been wondering what all the trust stuff was all about. I learn more about this place every time I come here! Tongue
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March 02, 2016, 10:27:06 AM
#28
Simply put, no matter what people say in this thread, people give them for whatever they think they need to give it.
Some are crusaders looking for scammers, others just dont like the other etc etc.
It is just abused.
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