What are the features you want most in a sportsbook? - page 5.

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Quote from: DarkStar_ on January 26, 2019, 03:59:39 PM

Quote from: arco-yabamba on January 26, 2019, 12:04:28 PM

Interesting. I'm surprised that anyone tried it at all. The maths are not on the bookmaker's side...

The groups were setup like this:

Group 1

Match Winner
Goals (total, first, last, etc)
Handicaps
BTTS

Group 2

Corners (first corner, last corner, corners handicap, total, etc)

Group 3

Cards (number of cards, team with most cards, etc)

There's not much opportunity to get a lot of value. You can have a lot of corners without goals, a team could get more corners but lose, etc.

You *had* to choose one from each group (and no more than one)? So, had to be a treble/trixie/patent etc?
And were the odds available the same as being offered as for singles? (I assume so)

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Quote from: arco-yabamba on January 26, 2019, 12:04:28 PM

Interesting. I'm surprised that anyone tried it at all. The maths are not on the bookmaker's side...

The groups were setup like this:

Group 1

Match Winner
Goals (total, first, last, etc)
Handicaps
BTTS

Group 2

Corners (first corner, last corner, corners handicap, total, etc)

Group 3

Cards (number of cards, team with most cards, etc)

There's not much opportunity to get a lot of value. You can have a lot of corners without goals, a team could get more corners but lose, etc.

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Interesting. I'm surprised that anyone tried it at all. The maths are not on the bookmaker's side...

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Quote from: arco-yabamba on January 26, 2019, 06:14:31 AM

Quote from: DarkStar_ on January 25, 2019, 12:16:30 PM

Quote from: arco-yabamba on January 24, 2019, 09:15:54 AM

Quote from: shield132 on January 22, 2019, 06:10:19 AM

Some casinos (at least some local ones) don't let's you to take different odds from one game. For example I mean let's take FC Barcelona - Arsenal <---- Bet on 1, number of goals over 2.5, number of corners over 9.5, number of cards, all of these from one game.
Also cashout will be great, function of editing bets before game starts (to add or remove game). Also promotions like 100% cashback if 1 bet loses from 5 one, 150% cashback if one loses from 6 and something similar.

In fiat betting, you can never make parlay (multiples) bets on markets in the same match, like your example.
This is due to what is called "related contingencies" - which means that the odds on the second (third. fourth, fifth) bet in your parlay would have been different if you would have known the result of the first bet.
So I don't think it is reasonable to expect this functionality in BTC sportsbooks.... do you know if it is offered anywhere? I would be surprised.
(*UNLESS* the sportsbook modifies the odds of same-match bets put in a parlay... but that would be very complicated.. and not a lot of demand for it..?)

There are specific markets that exist for some of those options. Here's an example of some of them on Betcoin for the Man U - Arsenal match later today

Sorry, didn't see that until now - I assume that the markets you link to were "specials", i.e. created by the bookmaker, like the classic "First GoalScorer-CorrectScore" bets with insanely bad odds? Or did the link allow user-defined single Event parlay opportunities?

You are correct, only combinations created by the bookmaker exist on that site. AFAIK the only Bitcoin sportsbook that let you combine options from the same event was BetKing, but they unfortunately shut down their sportsbook. It was extremely limited though IIRC in terms of the outcomes you could parlay together.

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as a bettor I can tell you that the most important thing in a bookie is odds and bets selection
a bookie can be as trusted as my grandmother during a bingo section
but if they have bad odds or their bets slips are lacking the games I want, the choice is obvious
trust and age of operation is another important thing:I do not risk big amounts at some new sportsbooks
no KYC and instant withdrawals is a must, bitcoin sportsbooks are the obvious choice here

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Maybe all of the above is good features.

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Quote from: Supercrypt on January 25, 2019, 11:54:01 AM

Quote from: arco-yabamba on January 24, 2019, 09:15:54 AM

Quote from: shield132 on January 22, 2019, 06:10:19 AM

Some casinos (at least some local ones) don't let's you to take different odds from one game. For example I mean let's take FC Barcelona - Arsenal <---- Bet on 1, number of goals over 2.5, number of corners over 9.5, number of cards, all of these from one game.
Also cashout will be great, function of editing bets before game starts (to add or remove game). Also promotions like 100% cashback if 1 bet loses from 5 one, 150% cashback if one loses from 6 and something similar.

In fiat betting, you can never make parlay (multiples) bets on markets in the same match, like your example.
This is due to what is called "related contingencies" - which means that the odds on the second (third. fourth, fifth) bet in your parlay would have been different if you would have known the result of the first bet.
So I don't think it is reasonable to expect this functionality in BTC sportsbooks.... do you know if it is offered anywhere? I would be surprised.
(*UNLESS* the sportsbook modifies the odds of same-match bets put in a parlay... but that would be very complicated.. and not a lot of demand for it..?)

Even in parlay games they usually do not allow you to bet on the same game. For example, you can play on 3 different matches and parlay them together and have 1 bet on all three and that is parlay for you, that you can do everywhere. However, if you wanted to do parlay with one game but different 3 bets they do not allow you to do that. That is like that in almost all sportsbooks all around the world. That is a big miss but also that is a way of sportbook keeping itself safe.

Exactly.

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ah, it's a screenshot! lol
OK, i see that these are not user-defined parlays - they are sportsbook-defined parlays, and therefore pretty juiced, just like the classic CorrectScore-FirstGoalScorer bets. But thanks for the link. I wonder how much action sportsbooks see on these kinds of bets...?

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Quote from: DarkStar_ on January 25, 2019, 12:16:30 PM

Quote from: arco-yabamba on January 24, 2019, 09:15:54 AM

Quote from: shield132 on January 22, 2019, 06:10:19 AM

Some casinos (at least some local ones) don't let's you to take different odds from one game. For example I mean let's take FC Barcelona - Arsenal <---- Bet on 1, number of goals over 2.5, number of corners over 9.5, number of cards, all of these from one game.
Also cashout will be great, function of editing bets before game starts (to add or remove game). Also promotions like 100% cashback if 1 bet loses from 5 one, 150% cashback if one loses from 6 and something similar.

In fiat betting, you can never make parlay (multiples) bets on markets in the same match, like your example.
This is due to what is called "related contingencies" - which means that the odds on the second (third. fourth, fifth) bet in your parlay would have been different if you would have known the result of the first bet.
So I don't think it is reasonable to expect this functionality in BTC sportsbooks.... do you know if it is offered anywhere? I would be surprised.
(*UNLESS* the sportsbook modifies the odds of same-match bets put in a parlay... but that would be very complicated.. and not a lot of demand for it..?)

There are specific markets that exist for some of those options. Here's an example of some of them on Betcoin for the Man U - Arsenal match later today

Sorry, didn't see that until now - I assume that the markets you link to were "specials", i.e. created by the bookmaker, like the classic "First GoalScorer-CorrectScore" bets with insanely bad odds? Or did the link allow user-defined single Event parlay opportunities?

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This is base on information I get in most problems bitcoin enthusiast face that they want to experience fast withdrawal and in poll voting which is only one choice to be picked but all choices can benefit the new system and the site will get a good feedback. This is my suggestion and opinion so all choice are great to implement to betters and some not with the implementation. Go for all i think it might come in handy.

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Quote from: arco-yabamba on January 24, 2019, 09:15:54 AM

Quote from: shield132 on January 22, 2019, 06:10:19 AM

Some casinos (at least some local ones) don't let's you to take different odds from one game. For example I mean let's take FC Barcelona - Arsenal <---- Bet on 1, number of goals over 2.5, number of corners over 9.5, number of cards, all of these from one game.
Also cashout will be great, function of editing bets before game starts (to add or remove game). Also promotions like 100% cashback if 1 bet loses from 5 one, 150% cashback if one loses from 6 and something similar.

In fiat betting, you can never make parlay (multiples) bets on markets in the same match, like your example.
This is due to what is called "related contingencies" - which means that the odds on the second (third. fourth, fifth) bet in your parlay would have been different if you would have known the result of the first bet.
So I don't think it is reasonable to expect this functionality in BTC sportsbooks.... do you know if it is offered anywhere? I would be surprised.
(*UNLESS* the sportsbook modifies the odds of same-match bets put in a parlay... but that would be very complicated.. and not a lot of demand for it..?)

There are specific markets that exist for some of those options. Here's an example of some of them on Betcoin for the Man U - Arsenal match later today

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Quote from: arco-yabamba on January 24, 2019, 09:15:54 AM

Quote from: shield132 on January 22, 2019, 06:10:19 AM

Some casinos (at least some local ones) don't let's you to take different odds from one game. For example I mean let's take FC Barcelona - Arsenal <---- Bet on 1, number of goals over 2.5, number of corners over 9.5, number of cards, all of these from one game.
Also cashout will be great, function of editing bets before game starts (to add or remove game). Also promotions like 100% cashback if 1 bet loses from 5 one, 150% cashback if one loses from 6 and something similar.

In fiat betting, you can never make parlay (multiples) bets on markets in the same match, like your example.
This is due to what is called "related contingencies" - which means that the odds on the second (third. fourth, fifth) bet in your parlay would have been different if you would have known the result of the first bet.
So I don't think it is reasonable to expect this functionality in BTC sportsbooks.... do you know if it is offered anywhere? I would be surprised.
(*UNLESS* the sportsbook modifies the odds of same-match bets put in a parlay... but that would be very complicated.. and not a lot of demand for it..?)

Even in parlay games they usually do not allow you to bet on the same game. For example, you can play on 3 different matches and parlay them together and have 1 bet on all three and that is parlay for you, that you can do everywhere. However, if you wanted to do parlay with one game but different 3 bets they do not allow you to do that. That is like that in almost all sportsbooks all around the world. That is a big miss but also that is a way of sportbook keeping itself safe.

When Barcelona plays with a team that they are bound to win it is usually easy to predict that Barcelona will win, Barcelona will score a lot, Barcelona will do bla bla bla and so forth, which means if they allow you just one bet like Barcelona will win they are giving you basically free money most of the time but if they allow you to bet on other stuff as well that "free money" is getting really high.

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Quote from: shield132 on January 22, 2019, 06:10:19 AM

Some casinos (at least some local ones) don't let's you to take different odds from one game. For example I mean let's take FC Barcelona - Arsenal <---- Bet on 1, number of goals over 2.5, number of corners over 9.5, number of cards, all of these from one game.
Also cashout will be great, function of editing bets before game starts (to add or remove game). Also promotions like 100% cashback if 1 bet loses from 5 one, 150% cashback if one loses from 6 and something similar.

In fiat betting, you can never make parlay (multiples) bets on markets in the same match, like your example.
This is due to what is called "related contingencies" - which means that the odds on the second (third. fourth, fifth) bet in your parlay would have been different if you would have known the result of the first bet.
So I don't think it is reasonable to expect this functionality in BTC sportsbooks.... do you know if it is offered anywhere? I would be surprised.
(*UNLESS* the sportsbook modifies the odds of same-match bets put in a parlay... but that would be very complicated.. and not a lot of demand for it..?)

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I have checked your website and find that not all feedbacks should be generalized for sportsbooks. Like I know "more deposit options" is more broad thing for all but what about feedback specifically for betbit.com ? I think by far the first thing you guys should improve is the graphics. It looks more like a news website than casino.

The OP post didn't had a "link" but it had the website name so I copy and pasted and it took me to the casino which I first thought was a news aggregator website. Change the casino graphics to something better should be to first thing you guys should do. After that I think if you are looking for something broader like the options here I suppose more deposit options (chance to gamble with more coins than just bitcoin) and also better odds are the most important ones.

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Mine would be none of the ones given in the poll, but live betting.

Not all sportsbook include live betting because I guess it's a bit different from normal betting...
I don't bet often on sports but when I do I like to be after seeing by myself how the players are acting, how is the mood, how they're behaving...
Live betting is great because you can bet on what you know for sure (teams results, location...) and on what you feel! On your understanding of the current game.

So I really like live betting!

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Quote from: romero121 on January 24, 2019, 12:36:42 AM

In simple terms I expect an User Interface similar to directbet.eu which was easily understandable. When it comes to payout, they offer immediate payout and support is awesome compared to many other sportsbooks. After its closing no other gambling website has tried to function on the similar platform where there is no need of creating an account as well, which gives the perfect anonymity.

The biggest enemy of on chain betting is about the transaction fees especially when the bitcoin network are so crowded and we must pay too high fees like what happened in the past. Indeed directbet was one of the most favorite sportsbook although their odds seems to be lower than other sportbooks. I believe sports bettor prefer to any sportsbooks with higher odds, and obviously about other offer such as promotion. The other wanted features could be about the availability of many markets, instant deposit and withdrawal, and maybe live matches so people may watch the macthes while they are betting.

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Quote from: DarkStar_ on January 21, 2019, 08:26:19 PM

Good odds, a easy to navigate interface and trust.

Your book is really annoying to navigate, and while -110/-106 evens for popular events is good, it's not worth switching when I can get -104 from BitcoinRush.

Same here. In my opinion, trust is the primary reason to show any sort of interest in a sportsbook which is followed by other factors like odds, user interface, customer support etc.

I have seen many of my friends who got scammed even after winning decent amounts thanks to the scammy websites which is why op needs to establish his sportsbook as a trustworthy sportsbook initially.

Never knew that there were such good odds available at BitcoinRush which I will surely check out asap. Thanks for that.

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In simple terms I expect an User Interface similar to directbet.eu which was easily understandable. When it comes to payout, they offer immediate payout and support is awesome compared to many other sportsbooks. After its closing no other gambling website has tried to function on the similar platform where there is no need of creating an account as well, which gives the perfect anonymity.

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Quote from: DarkStar_ on January 21, 2019, 10:40:57 PM

Quote from: stadus on January 21, 2019, 09:13:55 PM

Quote from: DarkStar_ on January 21, 2019, 08:26:19 PM

It's not worth switching when I can get -104 from BitcoinRush.

Thanks for mentioning this sportsbook too, I will take into consideration, I didn't get that kind of odds with my current book.

I would take a look at my sportsbook margin comparison thread. There's some books with surprisingly good lines (for example, Betcoin has very good Euro soccer MLs). Sportsbet.io has horrible lines without a price boost for most events.

Thanks again, I just look at the NBA and Match Winner Margin is new to my eyes because most of the time I'm just focus on one gambling site since I don't throw a lot of bet in a single day. In my thread NBA 2018-2019 betting for example, I place only one bet a day and if I get an odds of like 1.90 at sportsbet.io, I can already have that increased to 2.00 with the price boost.

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