What are the negativities of Merit system[UPDATED][09/08/2018] - page 4.

Ragnartron

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Quote from: playboy654 on January 26, 2018, 12:03:13 AM

First of all I am not against the merit,I just want to figure out the negativities.
If someone said DT will be fair while distributing the merits.I will say no,
Here I have a reference for that,Lauda and aTriz most well know members of our forum exchanging merits between them.
1.Lauda merited aTriz for running a twitter campaign ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.25417254 )
2.aTriz merited Lauda for a shit answer ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.28801076 )
If you are saying that posts deserves 50 and 20 merits.I am totally against you.So all the merits are going to stuck between the well known forum member.

Now that is a very interesting observation.
Thank you for pointing that out.

romani245

sr. member

Activity: 267

Merit: 255

There's definitely potential for abuse, but I think we should wait and see. Give it a few weeks and see how seriously people take it. If people are as upset about all the shitposting as they seem, then hopefully those same people can put this system to good use. At least merit is public, so shenanigans are all out in the open.

akram143

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Quote from: playboy654 on January 26, 2018, 12:03:13 AM

First of all I am not against the merit,I just want to figure out the negativities.
If someone said DT will be fair while distributing the merits.I will say no,
Here I have a reference for that,Lauda and aTriz most well know members of our forum exchanging merits between them.
1.Lauda merited aTriz for running a twitter campaign ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.25417254 )
2.aTriz merited Lauda for a shit answer ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.28801076 )
If you are saying that posts deserves 50 and 20 merits.I am totally against you.So all the merits are going to stuck between the well known forum member.

Good catch,BIG cats found. Tongue

I am interested to see who is going to neg them for this untrustworthy attitude from a DT memebr.

playboy654

member

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First of all I am not against the merit,I just want to figure out the negativities.
If someone said DT will be fair while distributing the merits.I will say no,
Here I have a reference for that,Lauda and aTriz most well know members of our forum exchanging merits between them.
1.Lauda merited aTriz for running a twitter campaign ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.25417254 )
2.aTriz merited Lauda for a shit answer ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.28801076 )
If you are saying that posts deserves 50 and 20 merits.I am totally against you.So all the merits are going to stuck between the well known forum member.

MAbtc

hero member

Activity: 826

Merit: 508

Quote from: DarkStar_ on January 25, 2018, 07:30:45 PM

Quote from: playboy654 on January 25, 2018, 04:43:33 PM

1.I think the lower ranked members is never going to rank up to legendary.

In more than 2 years, if you actually contribute, you should have no problem reaching 1000 posts that have been given 1 merit, 500 posts that have been given 2 merits, etc.

How do we know that merit holders are actually going to reward them based on posting quality?

The supply implications (e.g. decay and how actively people use the merit system) also aren't obvious. So, even if people do use them as intended (as a reward for quality posts), we don't know how well-distributed they will be. For example, it's theoretically possible that once the initial sMerit awarded yesterday is mostly spent, that sMerit mostly circulates within limited social networks that revolve around merit sources.

So there's little guarantee that the system will be equitable. As a Hero Member, I won't complain, but TBH this just feels like an extension of the flawed Default Trust system. We don't technically know who merit sources are, but my guess is that it will become obvious that there is a lot of overlap between DT and merit sources.

bitcoin revo

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Merit: 1049

Quote from: long8899 on January 25, 2018, 09:33:38 PM

well, devs now not only need to delete spam, but also need to catch these traders. a lot of work to do, and make this forum more unfriendly.

Not necessarily. The community as a whole is who will need to keep an eye out and report the ones that slip through the DT1/2 members - just like regular old scammers.

long8899

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Quote from: tomleung1996 on January 25, 2018, 07:37:52 PM

Quote from: Palmholder on January 25, 2018, 07:32:33 PM

Quote from: Jannn on January 25, 2018, 06:38:06 PM

Quote from: playboy654 on January 25, 2018, 04:43:33 PM

2.Soon there maybe a merit farming.

This is very possible to happen and also some guys here will sale their merit to earn money.

Merit sale is aready started in russian local. No bans detected

Same thing happens in Chinese local too

well, devs now not only need to delete spam, but also need to catch these traders. a lot of work to do, and make this forum more unfriendly.

fogocut21

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Quote from: Klestar on January 25, 2018, 09:16:19 PM

Its way negative to those who are on lower ranks like newbies and jr. members, they want to learn from bitcoin community yet they are demanded to quality postings to get merits. I think lower rank must have more sendable merits as they will give it to most useful post they read. Farming merits ? when that time comes sell merits in high price because it is your digital dignity and respect.

People are not demanded to post high quality posts, nobody is preventing anyone to post stupid posts (as long as it's not a pure spam). However, if one wants to go up in ranks, he would have to actually contribute to the community by posting good and constructive posts. That's the whole point of the system, it is supposed to be some kind of indication of the user's quality.

Swagtoshi

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Quote from: Klestar on January 25, 2018, 09:16:19 PM

Quote from: playboy654 on January 25, 2018, 04:43:33 PM

1.I think the lower ranked members is never going to rank up to legendary.
2.Soon there maybe a merit farming.

Its way negative to those who are on lower ranks like newbies and jr. members, they want to learn from bitcoin community yet they are demanded to quality postings to get merits. I think lower rank must have more sendable merits as they will give it to most useful post they read. Farming merits ? when that time comes sell merits in high price because it is your digital dignity and respect.

I agree. I think it makes it confusing for new users, and the difficulty in getting merit will defer the new users from joining the community. Although it is too soon to say, it seems like receiving merit is a bit difficult as the supply is limited.

BabyFacedGuy

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Quote from: playboy654 on January 25, 2018, 04:43:33 PM

1.I think the lower ranked members is never going to rank up to legendary.
2.Soon there maybe a merit farming.
3.I am sure that not all the quality posts will get merits.
4.Mods,DT,merits sources are exchanging smerits between them.

I just want to hear more negativity if there,from the experts and seniors of our forum.

I agree with point 1 and 2 in the short term, in the long run more merit will be available to be given therefore it wouldn't necessarily focus into already existing high ranks, this is similar to what happens on reddit, furthermore is a super fresh system so let's give it a few weeks before taking a position.

Klestar

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Quote from: playboy654 on January 25, 2018, 04:43:33 PM

1.I think the lower ranked members is never going to rank up to legendary.
2.Soon there maybe a merit farming.

Its way negative to those who are on lower ranks like newbies and jr. members, they want to learn from bitcoin community yet they are demanded to quality postings to get merits. I think lower rank must have more sendable merits as they will give it to most useful post they read. Farming merits ? when that time comes sell merits in high price because it is your digital dignity and respect.

foroplus

legendary

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Merit: 1052

Hey guys, what's important here is to have a different opinion, a different way to see things. That's why I like the first post of these thread.
Hope we'll find some good thoughts out of here.

Thanks playboy for bringing up the issue and for having a different view, which by the way I don't share, but bring some critic to the subject.

justine11

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Quote from: playboy654 on January 25, 2018, 04:43:33 PM

1.I think the lower ranked members is never going to rank up to legendary.

No you can be a legendary if you posting high quality posts and post that may be helpful. only shit posters will never attain the legendary rank.

Quote from: playboy654 on January 25, 2018, 04:43:33 PM

2.Soon there maybe a merit farming.

I don't think there will be merit farming since just like trust everyone will see the user sent/received merits it will be easy for DTs spot the account farmers

Quote from: playboy654 on January 25, 2018, 04:43:33 PM

3.I am sure that not all the quality posts will get merits.

I agree not all quality posts will merited but you have a high chance that you will be merited.

Quote from: playboy654 on January 25, 2018, 04:43:33 PM

4.Mods,DT,merits sources are exchanging smerits between them.

No. I think mods and DTs will be fair and square when it comes to meriting someone.

kumiskura

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It's not the problem to be honest,because;

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1.I think the lower ranked members is never going to rank up to legendary.

Ans : If they have a good quality posts,why not ?(It's not the problem absolutely)

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2.Soon there maybe a merit farming.

Ans : Only Merit Source can do that,but i doubt it(very unlikely).because there'll be no more sMerit in the future if you spend it all.
for short time it will,but for long time ? no.

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3.I am sure that not all the quality posts will get merits.

Ans : True,but i hope we can cover it up in the future because of this;

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If you want to be a merit source:
1. Be a somewhat established member.
2. Collect TEN posts written in the last couple of months that have not received nearly enough merit for how good they are, and post quotes for them all in a new Meta thread.
3. We will take a look at your history and maybe make you a source

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4.Mods,DT,merits sources are exchanging smerits between them

Ans : It's very unlikely because it's 0 value to them(should be,right?)

Well,Favoritism ? Roll Eyes

Blazed

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Quote from: Quickseller on January 25, 2018, 08:05:14 PM

Quote from: Blazed on January 25, 2018, 07:58:48 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on January 25, 2018, 07:57:13 PM

Quote from: Jannn on January 25, 2018, 06:38:06 PM

Quote from: playboy654 on January 25, 2018, 04:43:33 PM

2.Soon there maybe a merit farming.

This is very possible to happen and also some guys here will sale their merit to earn money.

This is actually unlikely, at least over the long run.

Accounts do not have any way to automatically gain merit points unless they are a merit source. Also you can only give out 1/2 the merit points you get.

I am a merit source...how much per merit you guys offering? Tongue

Time will tell how this makes a difference for the spammers. My guess is that it slows the farmers down a lot and that will help as the copy/paste guys gets bans...

I don't think it would be appropriate for a merit source to sell merit points (how do you know you are a merit source anyway), and seriously trying to do so would probably result in this being taken away.

With the above being said, I would not personally sell merit points, however I don't have a major issue with it as long as you are not a merit source. Your merit points are ultimately earned via your good posts, so I don't see why you can't do what you want with them. Also, if merit points are not being done in the open, it will only create a false sense of security because they would likely be done in secret if there was serious pushback against these kinds of trades.

I was joking about selling merits obviously (hence the smiley faces). I do not thinking selling merits would really work unless you were a source and I am sure theymos was pretty picky with who is a source. I do think this system will help the more I understand it though and that is a positive thing.

inillo

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Quote from: DarkStar_ on January 25, 2018, 07:30:45 PM

Quote from: playboy654 on January 25, 2018, 04:43:33 PM

1.I think the lower ranked members is never going to rank up to legendary.

In more than 2 years, if you actually contribute, you should have no problem reaching 1000 posts that have been given 1 merit, 500 posts that have been given 2 merits, etc.

We don´t know if that is true because we don´t know how scarce is merit going to be. For example, in a extreme case, if only 1000 merits are created by the sources in a year, getting 500 will be nearly impossible.

Quickseller

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Quote from: Blazed on January 25, 2018, 07:58:48 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on January 25, 2018, 07:57:13 PM

Quote from: Jannn on January 25, 2018, 06:38:06 PM

Quote from: playboy654 on January 25, 2018, 04:43:33 PM

2.Soon there maybe a merit farming.

This is very possible to happen and also some guys here will sale their merit to earn money.

This is actually unlikely, at least over the long run.

Accounts do not have any way to automatically gain merit points unless they are a merit source. Also you can only give out 1/2 the merit points you get.

I am a merit source...how much per merit you guys offering? Tongue

Time will tell how this makes a difference for the spammers. My guess is that it slows the farmers down a lot and that will help as the copy/paste guys gets bans...

I don't think it would be appropriate for a merit source to sell merit points (how do you know you are a merit source anyway), and seriously trying to do so would probably result in this being taken away.

With the above being said, I would not personally sell merit points, however I don't have a major issue with it as long as you are not a merit source. Your merit points are ultimately earned via your good posts, so I don't see why you can't do what you want with them. Also, if merit points are not being done in the open, it will only create a false sense of security because they would likely be done in secret if there was serious pushback against these kinds of trades.

Blazed

legendary

Activity: 2128

Merit: 1119

Quote from: Quickseller on January 25, 2018, 07:57:13 PM

Quote from: Jannn on January 25, 2018, 06:38:06 PM

Quote from: playboy654 on January 25, 2018, 04:43:33 PM

2.Soon there maybe a merit farming.

This is very possible to happen and also some guys here will sale their merit to earn money.

This is actually unlikely, at least over the long run.

Accounts do not have any way to automatically gain merit points unless they are a merit source. Also you can only give out 1/2 the merit points you get.

How much per merit you guys offering? Tongue

Time will tell how this makes a difference for the spammers. My guess is that it slows the farmers down a lot and that will help as the copy/paste guys gets bans...

Quickseller

copper member

Activity: 2996

Merit: 2374

Quote from: Jannn on January 25, 2018, 06:38:06 PM

Quote from: playboy654 on January 25, 2018, 04:43:33 PM

2.Soon there maybe a merit farming.

This is very possible to happen and also some guys here will sale their merit to earn money.

This is actually unlikely, at least over the long run.

Accounts do not have any way to automatically gain merit points unless they are a merit source. Also you can only give out 1/2 the merit points you get.

Quote from: Palmholder on January 25, 2018, 07:32:33 PM

Quote from: Jannn on January 25, 2018, 06:38:06 PM

Quote from: playboy654 on January 25, 2018, 04:43:33 PM

2.Soon there maybe a merit farming.

This is very possible to happen and also some guys here will sale their merit to earn money.

Merit sale is aready started in russian local. No bans detected

I don’t think this is against the rules. Also users have a limited amount of merit points to give out unless they are able to make a lot of good posts.

tomleung1996

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Quote from: Palmholder on January 25, 2018, 07:32:33 PM

Quote from: Jannn on January 25, 2018, 06:38:06 PM

Quote from: playboy654 on January 25, 2018, 04:43:33 PM

2.Soon there maybe a merit farming.

This is very possible to happen and also some guys here will sale their merit to earn money.

Merit sale is aready started in russian local. No bans detected

Same thing happens in Chinese local too

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