Topic: “What are we going to do for the people who are here who are starving already?” (Read 1380 times)

http://youtu.be/dEmxZcEBJNg

 

A weird thing about the state is that it invents the issue of borders (that is, if there were no social handouts, incl. defense, but individually paid services, the only foreigners you'd get are people ready to work hard to make a living), and the only way it can fundamentally solve the issue is by failing to do what the state is intended to do.

The alternative solutions--build a giant wall and/or shoot anyone who doesn't belong--are either more expensive than they're worth or just outright inhumane, and never actually solve the problem, just prolongs it.  Oh, I can hear it already: "Ah but you see, Mike, what you don't understand is, muh roads."

English as a second language is hard 

Normally, people who are hungry do whatever they can to survive.

Not so in the US, they complain and expect government to do something for them.

You can't read beetcoin lol


She's basically saying, live for yourself but don't sacrifice yourself and others in the process, in other words, that means don't be a greedy bastard but don't be a pushover either. If you give away everything you have then you won't be able to survive yourself but if you keep everything you own at the expense of other people then they'll all die.

People like you really do seem to conform to the "I hate the rich" stereotypes I see around in politics.

i'll admit that i haven't read her books, mainly because no one except republicans and wealthy people take it seriously. but i have read through her wikipedia page, and here's an excerpt for you:

Hispanics are not a 'race' but an 'ethnic group' defined by something like 832 surnames.  I guess noviapriani could be correct if you considered the blacks as being racist against the 'whites', and the 'whites' including hispanics. 

That would make no sense, but hey, nothing new in that.

I have the definite idea here you know nothing about ayn rand.

In other words, you have good intentions, but have used an incorrect example?  An interesting question though is whether the illegal immigrants have the attitude....

"fuck you, i'm worried about myself only."

....or whether they may have the actual attitudes as suggested by Rand.

Because the illegals are those taking action, while we in the US are influenced by what they do and where.

So when you send your 12 yo across the desert to be probably rapped and use as a sex slave, if she is still strong enough to reach the american borders, that tells the story of how unselfish her parents are, for being after free US social care?

it's got plenty to do with ayn rand. it's basically the mentality of "fuck you, i'm worried about myself only."

again, if you did do that.. how would that even fix anything? especially if there's voter intimidation? hell, even in america your vote doesn't really count for all that much.. the same officials are elected every year. realistically, they are fucked if you expect them to stay put. i'm pretty sure most americans, if put in an immigrants position, would do the same thing. everybody does what they think is best for themselves.

Educate oneself and stop voting for the same vultures... Nothing to do with ayn rand. Plenty to do with the French revolution, Bolshevik revolution, the American revolution, the Cuban revolution etc, etc...

Instead of becoming a subhuman on the social ladder of another country...

you a fan of ayn rand? it's easy to say that they are lazy and should fix their own country, but what can one uneducated person do?

Told you someone would call those folks racists. Took only 12 posts...

Well, hopefully you can formulate a better argument for your feelings than quoting as authoritative the Southern Poverty Law Center, because that dog ain't gonna hunt.

Why not trying to make a better life in their own country?

If their own country is that corrupt, it is their duty to vote out and fight the current regime rather than pack their bag and move to country that has already make that sacrifice.

This video made me sad.  So much hatred and racism on display.  I think the largest error in thinking is that immigration is a zero sum game, in that either Americans or immigrants benefit, but not both.  There are already millions of undocumented workers in the country, and America is a better place for it.  They are Americans, as every bit as my European grandparents, just trying to make a better life for themselves.  If you were in their shoes you'd come here too.  And I wouldn't blame you. 

 Two years ago you may recall the Obama administration enacted the deferred deportation program. It was intended for the undocumented young people that where already here,#1 brought here when hey where children. #2 under the age 30. #3 enrolled in school. This is the program they are responding to because it only lasts 2 years.

Didn't we already do that? Except deport people back after they get their education.

Give them free education,free food, free house, free medicines then give them jobs. If will they not work transfer them to force labor camps.

Of course, Mexicans take jobs from American blacks.  This results in increased dependency on social services systems, eg Big Gov, for the Blacks, which Democrats like.

It's relatively easy to "fix the border problem", since it's a false problem created and sustained politically.  This is done with false arguments and false solutions.

Require work permits, stop giving citizenship to any newborns, make the work permit cheap but have it include a background check.  Toss out the criminal element.  Legalize marihuana in the border states, cutting the drug gangs income stream.  Determine a somewhat fair set of rules on what social and welfare benefits those with work permits have.  Does not have to be totally fair, if that can even be defined.

At that point, it would seem the number trying to go through the desert would be nominal, they'd all go through the border city crossings.  

The false arguments are that they should be given citizenship, that employers want their cheap labor, and so forth.  The real goal is to pad Democratic voter ranks and therefore win elections.  On the Republican side, the goal is to "look Tough on Illegals" to part of their voter base.

To "Fix" this problem, one must look at supply and demand, and influence those factors.  I suspect that Rand Paul could get a proposal out that would fix these problems.  But I am not certain of that.