Topic: What Are Your Thoughts On Vegans? Or Going Vegan ? - page 2. (Read 9060 times)
I believe in moderation for everything. You cant get all nutritional benefits by staying on plant foods alone, you need an ample amount of animal food too. God created animals to be eaten by man and I dont think anyone will violate their right by eaten them in the appropriate way
In terms of health, going vegan will surely help you in being fit and healthy. But it can get very exhausting that might cause to loss of appetite. Instead of starving, I suggest eating a balanced diet instead.
not true, vegan/vegitarianism is very unhealthy long term unless you are extremely careful on how you do it.
We have the right to eat meat but according to studies our body is designed to only eat plants (vegetables). In terms of protein, it's more healthier compared in animals'. There are also body builders who are vegan that made their body more structured and symmetric.
incorrect, the studies /biochemistry does not say anything of the sort
>> good resources to find non-bias, in depth looks at the studies commonly referred to by the vegan/veggie armies of misinformation
https://deniseminger.com/
https://deniseminger.com/for-vegans/
https://robbwolf.com/
Nothing wrong with vegan food as a side-dish for a nice chunk of meat 
. A bit more seriously, we are designed to be omnivores. That "omni" thingy includes meat and fat as well. BTW the first and last fully vegan humanoids, the Paranthropus robustus chewed nuts, roots and bulbs and got extinct eventually, while their scavenging cousins the Australopithecus africanus happily turned to our progenitors.
. A bit more seriously, we are designed to be omnivores. That "omni" thingy includes meat and fat as well. BTW the first and last fully vegan humanoids, the Paranthropus robustus chewed nuts, roots and bulbs and got extinct eventually, while their scavenging cousins the Australopithecus africanus happily turned to our progenitors.I've seen this chart below been passed around vegan circles saying that we aren't omnivores, any thoughts on the chart since you seem to know some stuff on the matter:
http://vegaprocity.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/dietarydifferences.jpg
Lots of vegans will try and push this argument, that humans are not technically omnivores. It's complicated, but we know that humans have eaten meat for at least 10,000 years (probably much longer) and our physiology points towards us being omnivorous. It seems silly to say we're not omnivorous, because we can digest vegetables and meat (we have the enzymes present in our gut to break down meat). Just because we don't need meat, doesn't mean we are herbivores/frugivores.
Anyway, I've never thought this argument mattered much, because we know that you CAN survive as a vegan (albeit with a little difficulty). And most intelligent vegans will use another, more compelling argument - The reason, they say, that we shouldn't eat meat is because we know that we don't need it, and we also know that animals are suffering as a result of our meat-eating.
Now personally I think most vegans are shooting themselves in the foot when they try and recruit others, by saying that killing animals is morally wrong. This is because most people won't make such a drastic change to their diet (like many people, I love meat too much to give it up).
What they should be doing, is getting people to eat free-range, outdoor reared animals rather than cheap shitty battery animals. This way, everyone wins - The animals don't suffer and have a happy life, the farmers get paid more, and the consumer gets tastier, healthier meat. If every vegan did this instead of trying to guilt trip everyone into giving up meat, there would be more happy animals in the world.
I guess the vegans would argue that the animal still gets killed at some point in their life even if free range against their will. Probably in a period of being in their prime also. Just saying. Agree on some of the points for sure.
Currently im mostly a pescetarian fwiw but had a chicken burger a month ago
So the overall feeling here is that the chart is total horsecrap?
yes, as with most/all veggie/vegan propaganda.. it is nonsense and only an attempted way to frame mixed (correct/incorrect) data to present a view that cannot be challenged by those who do not know any better...
similar to the "protein in 100 calories of brocoli vs steak" memes, whereby it is completely ignored that you would have to eat a metric shit ton of brocoli to get the same protein, and those proteins would be incomplete profiles, vitamins would be much less bioavaliable
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The ethical argument I somewhat agree with... we should definitely treat animals as best we can. But the vegan/veggie propaganda also fails to mention that as much wild-life/animals suffer or are killed through their diet if they are eating mono-cropped/factory farmed vegetables... loss of habitat, harvesting, destruction of soil/ecosystem.
The only solution for now, is to properly raise and treat animals well. Give them a happy, healthy and full life; stop monocropping/factory farming;- smaller farms that properly rotate their crops and animals (for soil/ecosystem quality), are the most sustainable and environmentally friendly way of doing things.
There are many who do not know about the benefits of vegetarianism. Proper vegetarianism, combined with legumes, is not only full of nutrients for the body, but also for the development of the brain. Firstly you will have a healthy heart, away from diabetes, atherosclerosis by harmful fats from animals. Vegetarian foods are rich in fiber, vitamins, minerals, these are extremely benign, purifying your body, eliminating the stagnant toxins in your body so you can stay healthy and last longer. longer life
This is utter nonsense, saturated fats from animals are NOT unhealthy; they are some of the most stable and healthy fats we can consume. The extremely unhealthy fats are vegetable/seed oils such as sunflower/soya... these are extremely unstable under heat/light/oxygen; they are rancid before they even leave the factories they are processed in (which is why they deodorize them). They are very high in omega-6 fats which tend to be precursory to pro-inflammatory processes.
Our typical omega3:6 ratio during evolution was close to 1:1, 1:2 (o3:o6).... in the modern diet, it is closer to 1:20.. this is responsible for a huge proportion of the modern illnesses... along with reliance and massive amounts of grains/sugar every day.
Much of the vitamins/minerals in the plant world are far less bioavaliable to us and come with other concerns such as defense mechanisms... so whilst many plants/vegetables/fruit are healthy... if you eat too many of the wrong kinds (grains, soya and other legumes, especially if not properly processed/fermented), they can be very unhealthy.
In terms of health, going vegan will surely help you in being fit and healthy. But it can get very exhausting that might cause to loss of appetite. Instead of starving, I suggest eating a balanced diet instead.
We have the right to eat meat but according to studies our body is designed to only eat plants (vegetables). In terms of protein, it's more healthier compared in animals'. There are also body builders who are vegan that made their body more structured and symmetric.
There are many who do not know about the benefits of vegetarianism. Proper vegetarianism, combined with legumes, is not only full of nutrients for the body, but also for the development of the brain. Firstly you will have a healthy heart, away from diabetes, atherosclerosis by harmful fats from animals. Vegetarian foods are rich in fiber, vitamins, minerals, these are extremely benign, purifying your body, eliminating the stagnant toxins in your body so you can stay healthy and last longer. longer life
I think a lot of 'vegans' just jump on the bandwagon so that they can feel special and part of an exclusive group. I find that those who are aggressive advocates of this lifestyle become snobbish and very judgemental to those who eat meat. They develop this, "I'm right and you're wrong" attitude. It's great that they choose to live that lifestyle but they should also respect those that prefer not to.
Well I was vegan for about 6 months to a year but stopped after doing a bit more research I don't think it is a healthy diet at all long term, sure it is great for a cleanse (short term) and juice fasting can be great as well but again all short term and cleansing but I think our body will eventually become nutrient deficient if we don't eat enough meat or eat a variety of foods I really believe humans are omnivores just my two cents..
just my two cents..
I have been a vegetarian for over a year now and feel better for it. I contemplated veganism and
found it a step too far. l am vegetarian for the health aspect and although l love animals understand their consumption. Not wearing animal products and avoiding animals in your diet is too radical for me. I see no problem in using honey or drinking milk, but that’s just me. I do admire vegans ethics and care for life but believe the vegetarian lifestyle to be a balance that sits well in the modern world.
Look forward to others opinions.🙂
found it a step too far. l am vegetarian for the health aspect and although l love animals understand their consumption. Not wearing animal products and avoiding animals in your diet is too radical for me. I see no problem in using honey or drinking milk, but that’s just me. I do admire vegans ethics and care for life but believe the vegetarian lifestyle to be a balance that sits well in the modern world.
Look forward to others opinions.🙂
I spent about 18 months without meat of all kinds. No ethical reasons, just my body felt like opting out of meat. And I can say that all the myths about meat as indispensable part of daily meals are far-fetched.
Why I had to quit? Just had hard times while being a full fledged veggy is quite costly
Why I had to quit? Just had hard times while being a full fledged veggy is quite costly
It's really costly. Vegetables and fruits here in us is very expensive because they decompose very early compared to meats. That lifestyle is only for the wealthy people.
It is the first time that I read this statement and it is really funny since I am from a third world country and yeah, I've never met nor communicate with a vegan before, I can just watch them online on Facebook or YouTube. If they want to be Vegan, that is cool with me but I don't think that they need to call us, who eats meat, murderers or any sort like that since we don't have a choice but to eat what we have in our dining table.
Some days I am a vegan, some days I eat a lot of meat...to me all that matters is if the food tastes good, then I will eat it. If it's terrible, I will not. But I know people who have started a vegetarian lifestyle and experienced an improvement in their health. So...
What Are Your Thoughts On Vegans? Or Going Vegan ?
Do you have concerns about animal abuse by eating meat or using animal products?
Do you feel strongly that it is your right to eat meat?
Do you have concerns about animal abuse by eating meat or using animal products?
Do you feel strongly that it is your right to eat meat?
I am not against people going vegan, we have our own choice to choose either go vegan or not. But in my case, I think I am not going to go vegan, maybe I am just so used to eating both meat and veggies, although I think veggies are healthier than meat. So I will just stick to my diet.
Save a tree eat a vegetarian! (most animals we eat are vegetarian)
I don't care so much about the rights of animals of not being eaten by humans, since there are not such rights in nature. However, eating meat is truly very unhealthy and non ecological, so that it would not be such a bad idea to avoid it or at least reduce it very much.
I find that many vegans, like myself, have done their research either by chance and accident or on purpose. Many have watched those horror-filled undercover investigation videos that are promoted via organizations like PETA, Farm Sanctuary, COK and many more. If your eyes have seen what goes on behind the scenes of a slaughterhouse, a place where animal product production takes place you will most likely not want any part in those practices. You would likely not want to participate in the pain and horror that can be found.
Humans have the power to fight for animals or take advantage of their innocence and vulnerability. They are like children in that way. Even the strongest lion in Africa or shark in the ocean could be easily destroyed by a human. It is not a fair fight. Animals do not have voices and they do not have the same level of highly evolved intelligence that we have.
I Love Animals. I have always had a very strong emotional bond with animals big and small ever since I was a child. I would adore the birds and raccoons and other California wildlife that would pop up in our backyard. I loved my pet kittens and bunny and bird and fish. I loved everything about sweet, gentle animals.
Why I had to quit? Just had hard times while being a full fledged veggy is quite costly
I am surprised. Here in India, almost one-third to two-fifths of the population is vegetarian, and the vegetarian food is a lot more affordable when compared to the non-vegetarian food. But then in India, they don't normally consume exotic dishes such as avocado and asparagus.
Well yeah i don't see how eating exclusively fruits and veggies can be more expensive than meat. I mean, you could grow those in your backyard and have unlimited supply of greens for all you want. Probably you're pertaining to those vegan dishes that has flavors similar to meat lol. Why be vegan though if you're looking for the taste of meat
Why I had to quit? Just had hard times while being a full fledged veggy is quite costly
I am surprised. Here in India, almost one-third to two-fifths of the population is vegetarian, and the vegetarian food is a lot more affordable when compared to the non-vegetarian food. But then in India, they don't normally consume exotic dishes such as avocado and asparagus.
I spent about 18 months without meat of all kinds. No ethical reasons, just my body felt like opting out of meat. And I can say that all the myths about meat as indispensable part of daily meals are far-fetched.
Why I had to quit? Just had hard times while being a full fledged veggy is quite costly
Why I had to quit? Just had hard times while being a full fledged veggy is quite costly
It's really costly. Vegetables and fruits here in us is very expensive because they decompose very early compared to meats. That lifestyle is only for the wealthy people.
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