Topic: What can we do to stop redundant full quotes? (Read 485 times)

Mods have not had the time to treat some more important issues than to treat the case of full and nested quotes? Mods cannot do everything, it's left for people to do things that are right, I think anyone doing such a thing is indirectly limiting their-self the opportunity to receive merit because people will always look and ignore the post.

Automatically hiding every other one except the one you're directly quoting would be helpful. The quotes should be collapsible, like they are on some other forums and you can toggle them to see the full quote or not. I don't think it's a huge issue though but people should probably be urged to just quote the relevant part(s) (though most are probably too lazy to do that in the first place). As far as I recall and last time theymos commented on this he said quoting on the new forum software would be similar to how 4chan does it.

I'd argue there's a bit of laziness on the admins and mods side for making the rules so difficult to find and naming the thread in a way that makes it seem like you can break them and get away with it as a newbie.

Say we're dealing with the dumbest of the dumb who has heard their friend say that they made some cryptocurrency on bitcointalk. They come to bitcointalk and they register here and see that they can just spam bounties quite easily (sometimes being highly rated on google seems a bit of a curse for this forum in my opinion)... Anyway, they're not going to waste time scanning for rules when "oh look, my attention has been taken by more free coins "

I didn't find the rules until I was a full member .

In my opinion, the lack of interest (lazyness) is the main reason why newbies skip the stickies and the rules...

You can create a really good welcome page and gather all the necessary information in one place, but if newbies don't want to read/learn, it's in vain.... Account farmers won't read any rule, because they don't mind the rules at all... And farmed accounts are the 95% of the new account nowdays...

As long as bounty hunters/shitposters only post garbage, they won't bother to read anything... they just post, they don't get any bounty for reading but only for writing...

The lack of education to all members here in the forum is the main reason why they fail to acknowledge the rules and regulation of the forum. The suggested welcoming protocol for the newbie and old members would be a tool for the new comers to acknowledge forum rules and regulations.

I saw a thread suggested form a certain user to implement a welcoming page for all the members before logging in to the forum. The welcoming page must promote professionalism when posting a topic or promoting discussions to all the members. Reading must be specified in the welcome page and should be a highlight to everyone to learn more about the forum's do's and dont's. Well this is already

Well hope that some of the members will going to change their ways on the forum after reading the OP's post and the post of all the members concerning an issue like this to promote the welfare of all members in participating forum discussions.

just ignore people who continually do it

@YOSHIE, I'm not sure where the swearing bit came from, but other than that....

I mean you could probably do with reading and fully understanding the op a little but (you can't use google translate to write but you can use it to read stuff here, there's also the fittotalk.com/talk-English forum you can use to to learn a bit more on English and improve your skills a little if you'd like...

Honestly I've heard of reading between the lines, but after reading a few of your posts this evening I'm convinced. This is the first time I've seen someone "speak" between them.

You are consistently within a few feet of the topic, but just not quite there. It always comes across as random facts and junk by the time I'm done reading it.

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Thanks for clearing that up 

That's twice now I've seen someone mention you using a translator program to post. Just go post in your local and be content having your message make sense to you and the people reading it.

The behavior of stopping quotation marks is often considered trivial, even though this is not good, because in addition to not being good, the quality of yourself appears to be decreasing in front of other members.
Swearing can create a negative impression, especially from those who don't know you well and who often post well. Therefore I am sure this is less successful.

At least you can be a little better right? even though the meaning of posting often doing spam is still ugly, even though you stop the quotes because it is not commendable.

it all up to you to do or not?

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A forum where you discuss a problem, whether good or bad, clear (hair is black). different thoughts, whether you respond well or badly is up to your mind, obviously I always give what I know and best. That is your right.

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Thank you, I have registered, maybe my writing is a bit wrong about English,
Maybe here (Meta) I am more proficient in English and how to write it?

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In the future I will improve my writing more professionally, thank you?

Or adding things like "ref" where it isn't required, just on its own...
It gets extremely annoying in spam megathreads too as, chances are, someone has already replied with something very similar.

That's not a great option though is it? With things like the FTT forum where that is enabled, you end up with comments on two separate quotes (like this one) and then nothing....
It's better just to not quote anything if we're going down that road...
OR maybe you could split it into two quotes but I don'tt think that comes with SMF and would require a bit of coding from theymos.

Te real point is that it is a discussion thread, and not a discussion post. I don't understand why the poster has to assume that all readers have such a limited memory capability. I would assume that the majority of the serious members here are of above average intelligence, and are quite capable of following a conversation.

Of course, if the thread is so spam laden that the poster feels that he has to isolate the relevant posts, then we will need to address the spam pollution as a priority. This has already been highlighted in this thread, but until that happens, it would be great if members could not amplify the problem by quote abuse.

Reading a thread when looking for meritable posts is a bit like driving down a dual carriageway road. The vehicle in the slow lane ( normal text ) doesn't slow you down too much, and even the rubbish spam can be passed easily, much as you would pass a bicycle. Finding a block of quotes or a large image is similar to being blocked by a slow moving truck in the fast lane, you have to get it out of the way before you can move on. If a road always contains slow moving traffic, then you choose a different road in future ( ignore the board ).

I think, reporting is not a best way to stop those people who making a full or a large quote. Because this forum have a hundred thousand users and its hard to find out whos making full annoying quotes. Let say, yes! Reporting method help to reduce that activity, but this is not a best solution.

For me, the best solution for this is to limit the words of quoting.

Now the best solution is report useless nested quotes and moderator will look if quoter deserve banned.

In addition, why anyone would even need to quote the whole post while s/he should quote only the specific parts in which s/he is responding to?

It's really annoying. It makes hard to read posts and join a discussion.
What can be implemented-
1. Limitations in characters of a quoted message.
2. People can only quote 1 message, for avoiding nesting quotes.
3. A strict rule says clearly something against such kind of quotes.

I usually report such, especially in Bitcoin Discussion spam threads since it's hard to read those specially when I'm in mobile. Sadly though, there's not much that can be done on quoting such a huge nested conversation here in the forum or anywhere on the internet in general. Perhaps a 'hide quote' feature would be nice, or automatically prune redundant quotes in a conversation so as to lessen the clatter in a certain topic/thread. We'll never know how would it be implemented, when or whether it will ever get looked at by theymos, but it's a handy feature that should be around if we cannot stop spammers to quote full quotes.

There are so many pinned posts that educate newbies about this forum.  Some contains rules and regulations, merit system, ranking, and etc.  Yet I rarely see the topic about using quotation (and the proper usage of it).  I think we need a pinned post regarding this one to educate newbies like me.

If you remove nested quotes, then you will ruin the discussion of the thread.  The best way is to educate new members of this forum.  Or you can set an option wherein you can limit the characters that you can quote? By this way you can set a limit and regulate users on their posts with quotation.

When I run into this I do 2 things. I try to educate them, by directing them to a topic I created [Tips] Posting technique

Whether it ever gets read that's a different story, I then usually follow it up with a good old "Report to moderator" asking them to trim the nested quote. I got the idea from the mining section as I noticed some threads were cleaned up nicely by this.

To each there own, I don't blame people for ignoring these posters and their lack of awareness. I'm on here for long enough stretches browsing at times where there is no discussion I want to be a part of atm, so I take a minute or two. I wrote the topic because it drove me crazy watching people quote massive posts several times over.

I think if we disable nested quote, again Meta will flooded with complain as twit/Facebook hunters will be affected.

Actually, I like the ability to nest quotes, but it is much misused in this forum so it is better to remove it.
Limiting the number of characters in quote is also a good option.
I found some user just qoute without even writing a reply, It is better if these kinds of reply automatically deleted

If Smf have an easy solution, I don't see why isn't it already implemented.

Isn't it possible to make a script which blocks more than X characters between quotes?
Another problem is that many people quote big posts to spam... This would be a solu for that too.

I guess this will only be solved on the new forum software

This issue is one of good internet etiquette in general, and I'm not sure if anything really can be done about it.  No surprise that these garbage spammers don't give any thought whatsoever to what they're posting, because they could care less if anyone reads their posts.

To me it's also kind of a minor problem, more an annoyance than anything serious.  If only this were the worst issue on the forum, I'd be tap dancing around my house.  The real problem IMO is the shitposting, not the quoting of unnecessary things.  It's really not that big a deal to scroll past some long quote, and usually the quotes aren't enormous ones.  Sometimes when some idiot quotes the OP of a signature campaign thread, I'll just put the person on ignore.

I've tried to make it a habit since I've been a member here to only quote the part of a post I'm actually responding to.  Often my post is in response to only a part of the quote, and by quoting only the relevant part it makes it crystal clear what I'm writing about.  That's what people should be doing IMO, but it takes a bit more time to do that and we know full well shitposters spend only the bare minimum amount of time/effort/thought when making posts.  It shouldn't be an unreasonable request for people to be careful when quoting, but on bitcointalk it's like trying to herd cats.