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Quote from: Timmzzy on August 22, 2023, 08:38:24 AM

Quote from: letteredhub on August 17, 2023, 05:44:04 PM

What do we think could be the cause for a trader that has been experiencing a win and lose repetitive occurrences in his trades.

Like he places a trade today he makes profit and the next day when he places another trade he would lose it, whereas the next day he then makes another profit and lose it the next. And this happen been repeating for more than a month.

Has anyone had such experience? If yes! Then how was or could it be solved or stopped?
The situation is getting psychological.

I think with the look of things he or she is overwhelmed with emotions that he makes profit that day and the next day he or she believes it will be the same this this things usually happens when you have too much confidence in a trade, its high time he or she accepts the fact trade can go anywhere at anytime its doesn't go in a straight line as we all know.

Very similar to gambling.

Let's put it this way, logically, when we trade then we could potentially win and lose. And it's like some sort of belief that when you trade more, you're likely to lose.

And the same goes with gambling, in the end, if you're a day trader OP. When you are in profit, don't lose it and just take it so that you'll see why these situations are fairly normal.

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If a person is experiencing one day win and another day loss then I think trading is not beneficial for him because the loss and profit become balance and a person remains at that stage.

In my opinion an experienced trader do not face such situation because he knows how to manage the circumstances that are against his hopes and he learned all the things before taking step into trading so if a person is facing such situations then main thing is that he does not understand the market completely so he should stop trading here.

Trading is for getting success and work to handle every situations so if one is not able to maximize his profit then pausing trading for some durations and learn again will be suited good.

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Quote from: letteredhub on August 17, 2023, 05:44:04 PM

...Like he places a trade today he makes profit and the next day when he places another trade he would lose it, whereas the next day he then makes another profit and lose it the next. And this happen been repeating for more than a month...

This is similar to a casino, when the probability of winning is 50/50, and in your case, the trader correctly guesses the direction of the market with the same probability. This type of trading is more like the trading of a beginner who does not use trading strategies in his trading.

This is like just guessing what the move of the market is, like flipping a coin to see if you buy or sell. You may win in a lucky way, but for sure it is not stable because you will lose in the long run, and what's worse, you don't know why, unlike in a casino where you know why you lose because it is always the house that wins. Strategy is really the key to winning a trade, and if you aren't winning, then there is probably something wrong with your strategy, which you need to backtest and revise.

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Traders who are experienced have enough knowledge of both profit and loss to react. But traders who are not well experienced and don't know much about the market often face such losses and can sometimes make profits. People who are in such a position mostly sell their coins when the market is volatile due to which they face losses. Be patient when the market starts to move and hold them in order to sell when the market rebounds and profits are made. But wise and experienced traders will never make such mistakes, they will always be patient and never panic but will work with patience and faith. Especially when the bear market starts wise people don't panic but they hold the coins till the bull market comes. So if you start business in such condition then you must do long term so that you can make good profit. But if you trade short-term, you must make a lot of losses when the market is down, so you plan for the long-term.

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Quote from: Franctoshi on August 22, 2023, 10:29:58 AM

...Over trading: reduce the amount of time you spend trading or sometimes, when you have won a trade, take a rest the following day to come back to the market with a clear and fresh memory.

This advice will be the most useful, since in this case the trader will be able to skip his unprofitable deal and in the end he will have only profitable ones. The main thing is that he does not mix up, otherwise otherwise he will only have unprofitable transactions.

I just stumbled upon another thread regarding day trading and about the persistence of doing recently even by having a steady profit. Turns out that could also be my problem since I was like desperate to earn so much and having the result of it. This ain't the hype that you would see unlike when you win in virtual trading and nah, I am not into those.

Thing is we all wanted profit in the end and this would come along with greediness as well.

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Quote from: Franctoshi on August 22, 2023, 10:29:58 AM

...Over trading: reduce the amount of time you spend trading or sometimes, when you have won a trade, take a rest the following day to come back to the market with a clear and fresh memory.

This advice will be the most useful, since in this case the trader will be able to skip his unprofitable deal and in the end he will have only profitable ones. The main thing is that he does not mix up, otherwise otherwise he will only have unprofitable transactions.

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Quote from: letteredhub on August 17, 2023, 05:44:04 PM

What do we think could be the cause for a trader that has been experiencing a win and lose repetitive occurrences in his trades.

Like he places a trade today he makes profit and the next day when he places another trade he would lose it, whereas the next day he then makes another profit and lose it the next. And this happen been repeating for more than a month.

Has anyone had such experience? If yes! Then how was or could it be solved or stopped?
The situation is getting psychological.

LOL, Op this is a situation many newbies or inexperienced traders face in their journey into trading, If you have been experiencing this, just know that practically you are doing a wrong thing which needs to be identified and worked on, so you can become a better trader.
Below could be a factor that contributes to this.

Over trading: reduce the amount of time you spend trading or sometimes, when you have won a trade, take a rest the following day to come back to the market with a clear and fresh memory.

In addition to this, if you lose a trade, try to re-evaluate and identify why you lost that trade, hence repeating the same mistake would end you up losing again.
Just note that anytime you hit a loss it your fault and should serves as a lesson to you, that is how to grow into becoming a profitable trader.

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Quote from: letteredhub on August 17, 2023, 05:44:04 PM

...Like he places a trade today he makes profit and the next day when he places another trade he would lose it, whereas the next day he then makes another profit and lose it the next. And this happen been repeating for more than a month...

This is similar to a casino, when the probability of winning is 50/50, and in your case, the trader correctly guesses the direction of the market with the same probability. This type of trading is more like the trading of a beginner who does not use trading strategies in his trading.

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Quote from: letteredhub on August 17, 2023, 05:44:04 PM

What do we think could be the cause for a trader that has been experiencing a win and lose repetitive occurrences in his trades.

Like he places a trade today he makes profit and the next day when he places another trade he would lose it, whereas the next day he then makes another profit and lose it the next. And this happen been repeating for more than a month.

Has anyone had such experience? If yes! Then how was or could it be solved or stopped?
The situation is getting psychological.

I think with the look of things he or she is overwhelmed with emotions that he makes profit that day and the next day he or she believes it will be the same this this things usually happens when you have too much confidence in a trade, its high time he or she accepts the fact trade can go anywhere at anytime its doesn't go in a straight line as we all know.

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Quote from: jeraldskie11 on August 17, 2023, 07:10:08 PM

Quote from: letteredhub on August 17, 2023, 05:44:04 PM

What do we think could be the cause for a trader that has been experiencing a win and lose repetitive occurrences in his trades.

Like he places a trade today he makes profit and the next day when he places another trade he would lose it, whereas the next day he then makes another profit and lose it the next. And this happen been repeating for more than a month.

Has anyone had such experience? If yes! Then how was or could it be solved or stopped?
The situation is getting psychological.

Well, it really happens to all traders including profitable traders. The main reason why we experience loses in trading is because there are no strategies that has 100% win rate. We have to accept that sometimes we experience lose streak in our trading journey. We can't really control the market and can't predict the swing point. There's nothing wrong if you follow your trading plan but still encounter losses because it's normal. We just have to master in trading is how we can survive our funds in the long run, and this is the risk management. If you're emotional in trading you really have to take a break because you can just make bad decisions.

You're right. The whole point is that if there was a 100% strategy for making money in trading, then no one would lose money, but this is not possible. Where someone has earned, in another place someone has lost, and this is normal, this is how it works. There is nothing terrible when a trader loses money, it cannot be avoided, only those who do not trade do not lose.
What we do with our failures is another matter, whether we learn from them or not. It’s not scary to fail, but it’s bad to make the same mistakes over and over again.
After a person suffers losses, he should take a break so that the losses do not increase even more, I also agree with you on this.

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Quote from: letteredhub on August 17, 2023, 05:44:04 PM

What do we think could be the cause for a trader that has been experiencing a win and lose repetitive occurrences in his trades.

There's no cause with that, it's a normal occurrence in trading.

Quote from: letteredhub on August 17, 2023, 05:44:04 PM

Like he places a trade today he makes profit and the next day when he places another trade he would lose it, whereas the next day he then makes another profit and lose it the next. And this happen been repeating for more than a month.

It's because there's no other method or process with trading, we've got to do the same thing again and again. That's a cycle so, the results are also lying between the two.

Quote from: letteredhub on August 17, 2023, 05:44:04 PM

Has anyone had such experience? If yes! Then how was or could it be solved or stopped?
The situation is getting psychological.

We all do experience that and there's no way to solve or stop it because those are the typical results we're getting when we trade unless you stop or you want to loss all of it.

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Quote from: letteredhub on August 17, 2023, 05:44:04 PM

What do we think could be the cause for a trader that has been experiencing a win and lose repetitive occurrences in his trades.
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Has anyone had such experience? If yes! Then how was or could it be solved or stopped?
The situation is getting psychological.

His/her decisions.

I'm not expert in trading, but I tried trading already, and I believe that the reason why I lost most of the time with my trades is my trading decisions which often leads me to losses. A win trade means you had a good decision, and vice versa. How can it be solved or stopped? I don't think there's any way to stop it aside from learning from your past experiences. Experiencing it first-hand would be better because you can adjust, and make better decisions in the future. If you experience winning, you might stick to that strategy, and if you lose, you will make some adjustments, and better decisions.

Overall, it's psychological like you said. The problem is yourself, and the only solution for that is to fix yourself as well.

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Quote from: letteredhub on August 17, 2023, 05:44:04 PM

What do we think could be the cause for a trader that has been experiencing a win and lose repetitive occurrences in his trades.

Let's first acknowledge that trading is not easy especially if you don't have a solid strategy to give yourself a winning chance, otherwise it will be gambling...other reasons I can think of ...

Overtrading can lead to this kind of pattern
Revenge trading after a loss
No proper risk to reward
use of a tight stop can increase your loses as price has no room to play around

Quote from: letteredhub on August 17, 2023, 05:44:04 PM

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Has anyone had such experience? If yes! Then how was or could it be solved or stopped?
The situation is getting psychological.

Such experiences are very normal, unless losses are more than change of strategy is the remedy!

Secondly, trading is a psychological game which is why one needs to try to trade in a mechanical way to put emotions out of the equation.

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Quote from: awik p on August 22, 2023, 02:57:40 AM

sometimes the strategy system is also not in line with the existing market, and I think that is a normal thing, we can only do our best, and then God's hand will work, we just have to wait for the results whether it reaches the target or hits a stop loss. if you continue to experience losses, I think it will be a bad day, and instead of changing the strategy system, maybe examining the advantages and disadvantages of our strategy system would be better

therefore trading really needs good emotional control so you don't get caught up in revenge when you get continuous losses.
somehow it happened to traders. what I experienced were some profits in trading, but then losses that forced me to stop first.
when I return to trading, there will be some profits, but after that, there will also be losses.
we must realize that in trading we can also profit and loss. we can't really be consistent even if we use the best strategy we are good at.

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Quote from: letteredhub on August 17, 2023, 05:44:04 PM

Has anyone had such experience? If yes! Then how was or could it be solved or stopped?
The situation is getting psychological.

There's a very slim chance of this story been true because it sounds impossible as trading can't be in a pattern of winning today and losing the next day unless the trader is doing it on purpose that he make efforts on the the first day but place an unwinnable trade the next day but since no trader will intentionally lose his trade then this story isn't true. Beside to solve this problem, why don't the trade just skip trading the next day and trade the next.

Since he's losing in an interval of one day, so the trader should skips the very next day to see if he'll win when he trade again. If you're losing in trading, the best advice is to quit and try others means of making money from the crypto market instead of doing what isn't working.

sometimes the strategy system is also not in line with the existing market, and I think that is a normal thing, we can only do our best, and then God's hand will work, we just have to wait for the results whether it reaches the target or hits a stop loss. if you continue to experience losses, I think it will be a bad day, and instead of changing the strategy system, maybe examining the advantages and disadvantages of our strategy system would be better

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Quote from: letteredhub on August 17, 2023, 05:44:04 PM

What do we think could be the cause for a trader that has been experiencing a win and lose repetitive occurrences in his trades.

Like he places a trade today he makes profit and the next day when he places another trade he would lose it, whereas the next day he then makes another profit and lose it the next. And this happen been repeating for more than a month.

Has anyone had such experience? If yes! Then how was or could it be solved or stopped?
The situation is getting psychological.

This is what trading is all about and you shouldn't expect to make profit all the time because you are trading with a volatile assets that the price goes up and cones down. Trade with a long term strategy and not a short term one. I believe that the more you trade,the more experience that you are having. I will suggest that you should know how to control the risk management so that you will not be making losses. Also look for another trading strategy that will help you not run at loss like you said. Some traders find it difficult to make profits and you are still lucky that you are making profit today and losses tomorrow. Professional traders always loss too but the difference with them is that they learn from their mistake and can control the risk management.

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Gaining trading experience of profit and loss is natural. We can not always profit every time we trade. There will be times for us to lose. But if he makes a profit today and then loses the next day, it may be because he has to study more trading analysis to minimize his losses.

I still have that experience and it keeps me trying to learn what went wrong with my trades. But besides the trading analysis factor, we also need to know that the market has changed a lot now, which can make us analyze it wrong. We often encounter market conditions that look up but after a few hours later, the price has decreased several times.

It cannot be stopped or resolved but we can only reduce the losses by continuing to analyze. And if you are hesitant to enter the market, you better wait a while to see how it develops. Don't force yourself to enter the market just because a green candle is seen in the market because it might be a trap.

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Quote from: letteredhub on August 17, 2023, 05:44:04 PM

Has anyone had such experience? If yes! Then how was or could it be solved or stopped?
The situation is getting psychological.

There's a very slim chance of this story been true because it sounds impossible as trading can't be in a pattern of winning today and losing the next day unless the trader is doing it on purpose that he make efforts on the the first day but place an unwinnable trade the next day but since no trader will intentionally lose his trade then this story isn't true. Beside to solve this problem, why don't the trade just skip trading the next day and trade the next.

Since he's losing in an interval of one day, so the trader should skips the very next day to see if he'll win when he trade again. If you're losing in trading, the best advice is to quit and try others means of making money from the crypto market instead of doing what isn't working.

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Quote from: letteredhub on August 17, 2023, 05:44:04 PM

What do we think could be the cause for a trader that has been experiencing a win and lose repetitive occurrences in his trades.

Like he places a trade today he makes profit and the next day when he places another trade he would lose it, whereas the next day he then makes another profit and lose it the next. And this happen been repeating for more than a month.

Has anyone had such experience? If yes! Then how was or could it be solved or stopped?
The situation is getting psychological.

Trading does not guarantee that you will have a series of winnings in all your trades. That’s impossible to happen, especially that the market is never fixed and stable and anytime sudden factors factors appear in the market that put it into its bad shape. However, my only advice is to look into your trading habits. If there is repetition of results, perhaps your trading habits has affected it. Change your trading routine if ever that’s the case. Trade when the market is good and take a break when it’s not. If you are not seeing possible profits, then just focus on long term hodling.

understanding when to trade is not easy, sometimes we seem to have the urge to make transactions, which we actually know is not the time to enter the market. such feelings are common in unstable psychological times. However, with experience and more flying hours, things like this will eventually be controlled naturally. we know that not every transaction will end in a profit forever, therefore we must be able to anticipate if our analysis is wrong, because that is the most important thing in responding to the market

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Quote from: letteredhub on August 17, 2023, 05:44:04 PM

What do we think could be the cause for a trader that has been experiencing a win and lose repetitive occurrences in his trades.

There may be several reasons:
- A market that suddenly and drastically changes direction while the traders haven't had time to anticipate it.
- Inappropriate time to exit.
- Wrong speculation
- Conditions are not as ideal as usual. Because after all someone may not always be in good and ideal condition 100% of the time. Surely there will be conditions that are not ideal at any time that make you less focused, not there at the right time, or other distractions. So this can be a trigger for loss.

but what is certain is that usually they will cover the loss with another position and immediately get higher profits.

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