... there are plenty of examples that Donald Trump is willing to throw hundreds of years of accepted protocol out the window...
You mean, sort of like people who advocate crypto currencies do?
Topic: What do we expect the Mueller Report to Contain? - page 3. (Read 869 times)
You mean, sort of like people who advocate crypto currencies do?
I found it hilarious upon hearing that Mueller decided not to go after Donald Trump Jr. for one of his crimes, because he thought he was too stupid to even realize he was being used in the commission of a crime. Unfortunately they could not tie the president to any crime explicitly, but there are plenty of examples that Donald Trump is willing to throw hundreds of years of accepted protocol out the window to protect himself at the expense of democracy.
A link to the report if anyone is in a reading mood. I didn't see one posted already.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5955240-Full-Mueller-Report.html#document/
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5955240-Full-Mueller-Report.html#document/
Any idea on which page this is on? Very curious to see what the Russians are using Bitcoin for, even if it is neutral.
Pages 36-37 and 41. They mined and bought bitcoins and then used them to buy domain names and hosting, it seems.
This is a also a nice quote:
Quote from: page 10
Further, the Office learned that some of the individuals we interviewed or whose conduct we investigated -- including some associated with the Trump Campaign -- deleted relevant communications or communicated during the relevant period using applications that feature encryption or that do not provide for long-term retention of data or communications records. In such cases, the Office was not able to corroborate witness statements through comparison to contemporaneous communications or fully question witnesses about statements that appeared inconsistent with other known facts.
Lesson: always use encryption.
Whenever you are using encryption in this regard, you are always communicating with someone else. If the person you are communicating with gives up their communication keys, via corporation or otherwise will potentially allow the government to view your communications (depending on the platform), and using a means to conceal a crime is generally going to lead to a more harsh punishment if/when caught.
....I don't know how you can obstruct a an investigation on a crime that never happened.....
Not providing the evidence that the crime happened when the crime did not happen would of course be obstruction.
In the minds of people seeking the guilt that was pre-determined.
Any idea on which page this is on? Very curious to see what the Russians are using Bitcoin for, even if it is neutral.
Pages 36-37 and 41. They mined and bought bitcoins and then used them to buy domain names and hosting, it seems.
This is a also a nice quote:
Quote from: page 10
Further, the Office learned that some of the individuals we interviewed or whose conduct we investigated -- including some associated with the Trump Campaign -- deleted relevant communications or communicated during the relevant period using applications that feature encryption or that do not provide for long-term retention of data or communications records. In such cases, the Office was not able to corroborate witness statements through comparison to contemporaneous communications or fully question witnesses about statements that appeared inconsistent with other known facts.
Lesson: always use encryption.
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Any idea on which page this is on? Very curious to see what the Russians are using Bitcoin for, even if it is neutral.
I haven’t had the chance to look at the report really at all. However bitcoin was mentioned in the indictments against the Russian nationals filed last year. They had bought up a bunch of miners to mine bitcoin and used the bitcoin they mined to buy up some VPSs. They might have also used it to buy up ads, but I am not sure about this and don’t specifically remember one way or another.
I've only read a little of it so far, though I'm planning on reading the whole thing. At least in the first couple dozen pages, it seems much better for Trump than I expected.
There's a brief mention of Bitcoin being used by the Russians for certain things, though it's pretty neutral.
There's a brief mention of Bitcoin being used by the Russians for certain things, though it's pretty neutral.
Any idea on which page this is on? Very curious to see what the Russians are using Bitcoin for, even if it is neutral.
Hats off to you for reading through about 448 (or so pages), I've read maybe 15 pages of it just because I was curious on certain topics. I'd love to see a little write up from you about it Theymos!
I can already see the Democrats and media pundits shifting the goal posts though, and now saying that because Trump OBSTRUCTED (which Mueller made no determination on) he should be impeached. I don't know how you can obstruct a an investigation on a crime that never happened -- but we'll see where this brings us.
I'm little disappointed, I have to confess.
This report is to big and I don't have time to read in full, but I read expert analysis and it seems that this is general report, without many clear facts or evidence.
So, both Democrats and Republicans can claim now that this report is good for them and that report prove President's connectivity and cooperation with Russians or that report freed him from guilt.
Now, we will see true color of politicians in Congress, more useless fights and discussions.
All will last until the next elections and will be used in the presidential campaign.
This report is to big and I don't have time to read in full, but I read expert analysis and it seems that this is general report, without many clear facts or evidence.
So, both Democrats and Republicans can claim now that this report is good for them and that report prove President's connectivity and cooperation with Russians or that report freed him from guilt.
Now, we will see true color of politicians in Congress, more useless fights and discussions.
All will last until the next elections and will be used in the presidential campaign.
Eh. Any 'expert' reading it is going to have a bias. I think that the only way to get your own (as close to unbiased as possible) is to read it yourself. Though I doubt you're going to (or most) are going to want to read through 400 pages of legal and investigative mumbo jumbo.
But yeah, this is going to be another political fight that further divides the nation. Though I do think that many moderates are now seeing that Trump isn't a foreign agent, and they may be more keen to support him now. I'd like to see what opinion polls say about him within a month or two and report back.
I'm little disappointed, I have to confess.
This report is to big and I don't have time to read in full, but I read expert analysis and it seems that this is general report, without many clear facts or evidence.
So, both Democrats and Republicans can claim now that this report is good for them and that report prove President's connectivity and cooperation with Russians or that report freed him from guilt.
Now, we will see true color of politicians in Congress, more useless fights and discussions.
All will last until the next elections and will be used in the presidential campaign.
This report is to big and I don't have time to read in full, but I read expert analysis and it seems that this is general report, without many clear facts or evidence.
So, both Democrats and Republicans can claim now that this report is good for them and that report prove President's connectivity and cooperation with Russians or that report freed him from guilt.
Now, we will see true color of politicians in Congress, more useless fights and discussions.
All will last until the next elections and will be used in the presidential campaign.
I've only read a little of it so far, though I'm planning on reading the whole thing. At least in the first couple dozen pages, it seems much better for Trump than I expected.
There's a brief mention of Bitcoin being used by the Russians for certain things, though it's pretty neutral.
There's a brief mention of Bitcoin being used by the Russians for certain things, though it's pretty neutral.
I like what Alan Dershowitz (a life-long Democrat) had to say about it. Essentially Mueller passed the buck and didn't really say anything of any value. To paraphrase: no collusion, no exoneration....
A prosecutor either recommends charges or he does not.
That's all there is.
There are no charges.
Vindication.
Yes of course. Now he can Make Israel Great Again!
Vindication.
I like what Alan Dershowitz (a life-long Democrat) had to say about it. Essentially Mueller passed the buck and didn't really say anything of any value. To paraphrase: no collusion, no exoneration. What the fuck? No balls, I say. In the effort of self preservation Mueller sounds non-committal like a law-school flunky. Of course he doesn't want to end up "committing suicide" like so many others who've pissed off the Clintons.
Hey the report has been tabled and as we can see there is no dirt on Trump, now as I see it this is a big boost for Trump and his supporters. I feel this shall boost his chances of winning re-election to the office, as for a very long time his critics were gunning for his head based on Russia meddling but now he’s been cleared. Also I feel in his re-election campaign he can claim to have calmed North Korea, established better relations with Russia which may influence voters again.
I like what Alan Dershowitz (a life-long Democrat) had to say about it. Essentially Mueller passed the buck and didn't really say anything of any value. To paraphrase: no collusion, no exoneration. What the fuck? No balls, I say. In the effort of self preservation Mueller sounds non-committal like a law-school flunky. Of course he doesn't want to end up "committing suicide" like so many others who've pissed off the Clintons.
I think that it'll basically portray Trump as the center of a large group of shady people and criminals, but not actually have any hard evidence of crimes by Trump. The whole process was a clear witch hunt, so the report will probably on the whole be more beneficial to Democrats, though Republicans will probably also be able to say "Mueller cleared Trump!"
Can anyone point me to a billionaire that is not surrounded by shady people? Democrats are already laying the narrative for the next line of conspiracy theories, and this was the goal all along. Trial by media (which they control). Since everyone just repeats what they see on TV over and over again it is just "common knowledge" that Trump is corrupt now, even though there is no evidence of this whatsoever, but but muh Colbert told me so. The media have done a great job training the left to be perfectly content completely denying reality, as long as the fantasy fits with their preferred bias, and that unending denial of reality is going to lead to civil war.
You want to be surrounded by shady people? You don't need to be a billionaire. Just go to a bitcoin/cryptocoin conference.
The real question is what happens now? The media have been pushing their lies for years. The left has been deluding its people for years. And now there is no elephant in the room.
My preference would be for a fair and impartial Hillary investigation and trial. There are some others, too, who shouldn't just be let go.
Will the sham of the collusion charges be investigated?
I think that it'll basically portray Trump as the center of a large group of shady people and criminals, but not actually have any hard evidence of crimes by Trump. The whole process was a clear witch hunt, so the report will probably on the whole be more beneficial to Democrats, though Republicans will probably also be able to say "Mueller cleared Trump!"
Can anyone point me to a billionaire that is not surrounded by shady people? Democrats are already laying the narrative for the next line of conspiracy theories, and this was the goal all along. Trial by media (which they control). Since everyone just repeats what they see on TV over and over again it is just "common knowledge" that Trump is corrupt now, even though there is no evidence of this whatsoever, but but muh Colbert told me so. The media have done a great job training the left to be perfectly content completely denying reality, as long as the fantasy fits with their preferred bias, and that unending denial of reality is going to lead to civil war.
I think that it'll basically portray Trump as the center of a large group of shady people and criminals, but not actually have any hard evidence of crimes by Trump. The whole process was a clear witch hunt, so the report will probably on the whole be more beneficial to Democrats, though Republicans will probably also be able to say "Mueller cleared Trump!"
i dont care whats in it, it is very likely to be just a bunch of false flag strategic lies.
Of course you don't care what's in it because it doesn't fit your narrative. The left can now play the "conspiracy" card to save face. But Hilary being pardoned by the FBI (or should I say Obama's private Gestapo) for flagrant violations of the law... No conspiracy there, move along, nothing to see, move along sheeple.
narrative? you want to say you want you believe stuff you want to believe because its in your interest?
you are basically just a bunch of paranoid idiots who think the russians are almighty and secretly rule the entire world and influence everything through their activities.
At least he can read. You, not so much.
uhm jes russia influences us in order to achieve its own economic and political goals like stability etc. us does the same all over the world, as does every other culture and nation, as much as it can
every country does that the question is what is socially acceptable. for russia the destruction of infrastructure (lybia) is a no go. except the enemy is unchangably hostile
btw. all powerful regions and blocks will do that. if you constantly lie like us authorieties and use fals flag claims, you get the problem over time that no one cares anymore what they say.
even americans have trouble believing their government and watch RT
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