Topic: What do you believe is moral? - page 12. (Read 17785 times)

I don't -- it's useful as a catch-all term to be (hopefully) clarified by its context, like "stuff."  I doubt i could come up with a strict definition, as in "necessary & sufficient."  How about "A person or a group, self-appointed or tasked with governing"?  Too circular?

This should probably have been asked from the very beginning, but, how do you define government?

Why did you buy this appartment if you knew you were buying a ton of things you didn't want? And why don't you sell it and trade it for something that doesn't have those things?



Learn the difference between owning and borrowing. Same as FirstAscent.


Is your premise that USA government owns all the property in the entire country, and thus has the right to charge maintenance fees on everything and everyone? If yes, why do we bother to buy property from each other, since we don't actually own any of it? If no, then what?


Last time I checked, I can't force you to take possession of a property without your consent. Tell me, in your world, if your father buys a house for $100,000, and that houses loses value, now being worth only $10,000, but the house still has a $90,000 mortgage on it and requires at least $1,000 a month in maintenance fees, can your father just transfer that house to you and force you to own it and pay for those fees without your consent? If no, then why can my parents force me to take ownership of something, along with all the fees involved, without my consent?


Funny you gave him 5 internets for his rant about having to pay rent for living in someone else's house.


Glad I could answer this for you. I only hope you understood it.




Why do you believe I won't? I'm not complaining because this is not an option for me. I should be a multi-millionaire within a couple of years, at which point the option will be easily available. I just want to make sure you f'in lunatics don't come after me because you think wherever it is that I live might have "too much freedom." Moreover, it shouldn't matter whether this is something that affects me directly. At least not to me personally. If you see someone being robbed, raped, or murdered, do you just ignore it and find it acceptable because it's not happening to you?

I own an apartment.  I do not care what the building has for a lawn, i don't use the swimming pool, i wish the frickin' doorman would vanish.  I pay for all of those things. What's your point?

As you rudely cut in, i was replying to Anon316's comment, in which he defined government in terms of non-voluntary contributions.  Next.

See FirstAscent reply directly above.


just like you can go & live in Somalia -- *no* maintenance fees.


You have no one but your parents to blame -- they've agreed to all this stuff by dragging you here.  Now that you're an adult ... Somaaaaalllia!


Again, see FirstAscent comment above -- the one i gave him all the internets & kittens for.


Already asked & answered -- next?


As i said, go complain to your mom, and then be a man & do what your folks did:  Don't like where you live, be it an apartment or a country?  Vote with your feet and move.  Free market is a wonderful thing

Yes, you were. In the contexts of the OP, the whole topic is about government being an entity that is "stealing" by forcing you to make nonvoluntary contributions.

Actually, if we're talking about rent, that's not your property. The property is the landlord's. You are just buying the right to access their property. Big difference between owning something of your own, and just renting something from someone else. If you actually owned the property instead of rented, then yes, it would be a problem for someone else, like an HOA member, to come into your apartment, charge you money, and force you to change things inside your place against your will.

Please learn the difference between owning something and borrowing something.

Useless shit!
All about stealing!

best regards,
ilpirata79

No, as a matter of fact, there were not. I didn't even know what taxes were when I moved and lived here.

Simple. When you pay for building maintenance, you are paying for the services you are actually using. Moreover, you are voluntarily paying to maintain your property, since if you don't like the maintenance fees, you can sell your property and buy something cheaper AND this building maintenance fee was something you either agreed to when you first bought the property, or had to either agree to, or give up your property, when it was brought up in a discussion with other apartment owners. When you pay taxes, not only are you being forced to pay for services you are actually using, but also services you are not using, many of which have nothing to do with you, and which you may never need. It's the difference between having to buy a bottle of water so you don't die of thirst, and having to buy a bottle of something you don't need, like mercury, because someone else says you must, who then uses it for their own purposes. It's a fairly basic distinction, isn't it?


I didn't come here voluntarily, and didn't know anything about this country, or even politics and finance when I came here, BUT, what does this have to do with anything?

You win 5 internets   And kittens for life.

No again, and again, what's your point?  Was i the one trying to define the government in terms of nonvoluntary contributions?  Furlogic?

Actually, let me take another stab at your question.

The landlord sure as fuck does charge me for stuff I don't need or want, and I have no choice. They choose the improvements, the carpet, when the place is painted, what kind of paint, what the appliances are, etc. Furthermore, they give me no breakdown of where my rent money goes. In fact, the rent money goes to buy them dinners, make their auto payments, etc. In other words, they turn a profit on the rent money and spend it in ways both unknown to me on things which benefit me in no way at all.

Does that answer your question?

There were no taxes when you came to the States?