What do you think about stop gambling services issued by gambling platforms? - page 2.

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Quote from: bangjoe on March 10, 2023, 10:58:29 AM

I often see gamblers who are addicted and he can't get rid of the addiction, so the gambler sells what he has to gamble. I am well aware of the dangers of gambling addiction because what is meant by that is gambling, which they do is no longer for pleasure but for the sake of victory and greed and for some people they cannot control their gambling.
In this case is it possible for gambling platforms to provide stop gambling services to help gamblers reduce their desire to gamble, as in the context of cigarettes, every tobacco company always provides smoking cessation services either by telephone, clients who want to quit smoking can be given counseling and guidance, as well as referrals if you need follow up.
I think how if the Platform/gambling company has a stop gambling service that is very good and helps gamblers who want to stop.
I know this will backfire on the gambling platform, but in retrospect, if this is implemented, it is a so wise move.

What do you think about this?

Do you really think those services from tobacco companies are gonna work? I'm not sure either, but I don't think it'll work. Those services were created just for the "extra mile" so people would think that these companies doesn't look really really bad at all. It's funny coz even in the cigarette packs, they have these campaign that says cigarette smoking is dangerous to your health and throw some graphics of a sick person. It's really funny coz that's not even gonna work lol.
I thought the same goes for gambling. The only thing that'll work 100% is when a person decides to stop gambling on his own.

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If gambling sites start a stop gambling service then it would directly impact their business.
They wouldn't want their customers getting away while they are in for the profits.
Cigarette boxes have those helpline numbers because it is mandatory for them to put it on the boxes as a regulatory compliance.
But it doesn't get applicable on gambling casinos. But yeah if the regulatory authorities do implement such a policy where every gambling site has to put up helpline numbers to quit gambling then it would be a great idea.

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A lot of gambling sites does offer a "self-exclusion" feature, but that is not nearly enough to stop a gambler from creating another account or to create an account at other casinos. So, when you do this at some Brick n mortar casinos, the CCTV will use face recognition to detect you.. and you will be asked to leave the building.

Some sites do not even have KYC requirements, so they cannot stop you ..even if they wanted to... and other sites will block your account, but they still send promotional emails to your email address. Roll Eyes

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Gambling platforms can provide a stop gambling service, but if gamblers do not want it, they will not use it and may even continue gambling. Quitting gambling is the desire of every gambler, and only gamblers can be sure that they really want to stop gambling once and for all.

And I don't think it will backfire on the gambling platform because that choice will return to each gambler. But if some gamblers finally decide to use the service, the casinos also don't do anything. Still, new people will play gambling and take the previous vacancies.

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Like any other addiction, a gambler will find a new place for his bad habits or a method to place bets.
At least here in Italy, you can place bets in physical bookmakers without providing any documents.
There is nothing that could really avoid people from betting using cash. And I am not counting "black market" of gambling...
I will suggest to people to people with gambling
issues, use service like this https://www.gamblingtherapy.org/
Its much better solve problems at roots!

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Quote from: bangjoe on March 10, 2023, 10:58:29 AM

I often see gamblers who are addicted and he can't get rid of the addiction, so the gambler sells what he has to gamble. I am well aware of the dangers of gambling addiction because what is meant by that is gambling, which they do is no longer for pleasure but for the sake of victory and greed and for some people they cannot control their gambling.
In this case is it possible for gambling platforms to provide stop gambling services to help gamblers reduce their desire to gamble, as in the context of cigarettes, every tobacco company always provides smoking cessation services either by telephone, clients who want to quit smoking can be given counseling and guidance, as well as referrals if you need follow up.
I think how if the Platform/gambling company has a stop gambling service that is very good and helps gamblers who want to stop.
I know this will backfire on the gambling platform, but in retrospect, if this is implemented, it is a so wise move.

What do you think about this?

gambling platform if it provides that service then who will gamble and give money to gambling, it reminds me of the telephone service to quit smoking addiction. to be honest it doesn't produce anything even I call it all the time but never get an answer, finally I quit smoking by myself, since then I think I don't need any service to quit addiction whether it's gambling or cigarettes, it all has to be from will yourself and also change your mindset to be healthier.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on March 10, 2023, 11:27:11 AM

Does it really help them? No, and I don't think they need to do that just for the sake of stopping people from becoming a gambling addict. Instead, they keep encouraging people to gamble on their site and enjoy themselves.

Honestly, being addicted to gambling is not about the site, it is about losing control of ourselves. Though they are saying just gamble moderately but in the case of addiction, they have nothing to do with that but to let them play, instead of stopping them.

Valid points, quitting from addiction should come from the gamblers themselves. The casinos may give gamblers some features to help but it wont really help if the addicted gamblers have no will to stop, those features will be useless. I think I've said many times in several other different thread that even a professional help will be useless to help addicted gamblers to stop if the gamblers have no serious will to stop.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on March 10, 2023, 11:56:34 PM

Quote from: bangjoe on March 10, 2023, 10:58:29 AM

I often see gamblers who are addicted and he can't get rid of the addiction, so the gambler sells what he has to gamble. I am well aware of the dangers of gambling addiction because what is meant by that is gambling, which they do is no longer for pleasure but for the sake of victory and greed and for some people they cannot control their gambling.
In this case is it possible for gambling platforms to provide stop gambling services to help gamblers reduce their desire to gamble, as in the context of cigarettes, every tobacco company always provides smoking cessation services either by telephone, clients who want to quit smoking can be given counseling and guidance, as well as referrals if you need follow up.
I think how if the Platform/gambling company has a stop gambling service that is very good and helps gamblers who want to stop.
I know this will backfire on the gambling platform, but in retrospect, if this is implemented, it is a so wise move.

What do you think about this?

It seems you want something similar to alcoholics anonymous to be created am I right? It turns out that it already exists and it is called gamblers anonymous.

Instead of creating yet another association it could be better for casinos to donate directly to gamblers anonymous so more gamblers can be reached and be helped by them, however make no mistake, it does not matter how much money is spent on this, addicted people need to take the first step and admit they have a problem, and unfortunately there are many gamblers out there unwilling or incapable of doing so.

Oh, my word! Would you believe it, even the wisest of feathered friends, the owls, could potentially succumb to the vice of gambling. It's an undeniable truth! However, it's a relief to know that there are esteemed organizations such as Gamblers Anonymous that extend their aid to those grappling with addiction. Sure, there may be an argument in favor of casinos contributing to these selfless groups, but we must bear in mind that it ultimately comes down to the person in question to take the initiative towards recovery. We often say that you can guide a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink...or, in this case, refrain from gambling. I do not jest when I say that addiction is a weighty issue, and I sincerely wish for anyone seeking assistance to discover it.

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Quote from: bangjoe on March 10, 2023, 10:58:29 AM

I often see gamblers who are addicted and he can't get rid of the addiction, so the gambler sells what he has to gamble. I am well aware of the dangers of gambling addiction because what is meant by that is gambling, which they do is no longer for pleasure but for the sake of victory and greed and for some people they cannot control their gambling.
In this case is it possible for gambling platforms to provide stop gambling services to help gamblers reduce their desire to gamble, as in the context of cigarettes, every tobacco company always provides smoking cessation services either by telephone, clients who want to quit smoking can be given counseling and guidance, as well as referrals if you need follow up.
I think how if the Platform/gambling company has a stop gambling service that is very good and helps gamblers who want to stop.
I know this will backfire on the gambling platform, but in retrospect, if this is implemented, it is a so wise move.

What do you think about this?

a lot of gambling sites I know have a "self-exclusion" feature on their website, what this means is that if the gambler decided to apply for self-exclusion, the gambling site will restrict their account for a fixed amount of time that the gambler chose. the gambler can even choose to permanently close their account if they wanted to.

Quote from: bangjoe on March 10, 2023, 10:58:29 AM

as in the context of cigarettes, every tobacco company always provides smoking cessation services either by telephone, clients who want to quit smoking can be given counseling and guidance, as well as referrals if you need follow up.

the only thing a cigarette company do that I have seen is put disturbing images of the effects of long-term smoking, I've heard of them offering smokers counselling or guidance.

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Quote from: bangjoe on March 10, 2023, 10:58:29 AM

I often see gamblers who are addicted and he can't get rid of the addiction, so the gambler sells what he has to gamble. I am well aware of the dangers of gambling addiction because what is meant by that is gambling, which they do is no longer for pleasure but for the sake of victory and greed and for some people they cannot control their gambling.
In this case is it possible for gambling platforms to provide stop gambling services to help gamblers reduce their desire to gamble, as in the context of cigarettes, every tobacco company always provides smoking cessation services either by telephone, clients who want to quit smoking can be given counseling and guidance, as well as referrals if you need follow up.
I think how if the Platform/gambling company has a stop gambling service that is very good and helps gamblers who want to stop.
I know this will backfire on the gambling platform, but in retrospect, if this is implemented, it is a so wise move.

What do you think about this?

Your point is valid and should be implemented in the best interest of the gamblers but I would say that why would gambling sites want to safeguard the interest of the gamblers? They would want more and more gamblers to become addicted to gambling and in return get rekt and the gambling platforms become rich, Isn't right?

Gamblers need to educate themselves on how to control excessive gambling and how to save their capital. No gambling site will ever come to their rescue.

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Quote from: bangjoe on March 10, 2023, 10:58:29 AM

I often see gamblers who are addicted and he can't get rid of the addiction, so the gambler sells what he has to gamble. I am well aware of the dangers of gambling addiction because what is meant by that is gambling, which they do is no longer for pleasure but for the sake of victory and greed and for some people they cannot control their gambling.
In this case is it possible for gambling platforms to provide stop gambling services to help gamblers reduce their desire to gamble, as in the context of cigarettes, every tobacco company always provides smoking cessation services either by telephone, clients who want to quit smoking can be given counseling and guidance, as well as referrals if you need follow up.
I think how if the Platform/gambling company has a stop gambling service that is very good and helps gamblers who want to stop.
I know this will backfire on the gambling platform, but in retrospect, if this is implemented, it is a so wise move.

What do you think about this?

It seems you want something similar to alcoholics anonymous to be created am I right? It turns out that it already exists and it is called gamblers anonymous.

Instead of creating yet another association it could be better for casinos to donate directly to gamblers anonymous so more gamblers can be reached and be helped by them, however make no mistake, it does not matter how much money is spent on this, addicted people need to take the first step and admit they have a problem, and unfortunately there are many gamblers out there unwilling or incapable of doing so.

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If a gambler has already reached a certain level of addiction in which he/she is already forced to sell properties in order to satisfy his/her gambling urge, I'm afraid self-exclusion and other in-built features of casinos won't be able to stop him/her. In the first place, he/she won't even use it. If he/she hasn't even managed to stop himself/herself from selling properties just for gambling, I doubt he/she is able to voluntarily exclude himself/herself from gambling. Professional help is badly needed at this point.

But, yes, there is this feature already in many casinos. I just don't know how effective it is.

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Quote from: bangjoe on March 10, 2023, 10:58:29 AM

every tobacco company always provides smoking cessation services either by telephone, clients who want to quit smoking can be given counseling and guidance, as well as referrals if you need follow up/

Do you think the smokers will use this service? even they wan to quit, they need to spend more money for counseling and guidance, most people think it's better to quit using their own way, but in the end they will keep smoking.

Same like self exclusion feature in casino, the addict can use that's feature and can't gamble on that's casino. But it doesn't stop him to create a new account on the other casino. After all it doesn't really help the addict.

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Quote from: bangjoe on March 10, 2023, 10:58:29 AM

What do you think about this?

I am not aware of any site that has this control effectively and there are several reasons for this.
First, it's obviously because it could reduce the site's profit, something no platform would like.
Second, that blocking would have to be customized for each player's profile. How would that be defined? Could they let the player himself set his limits?
Third because the player could have more than one account on the same site or simply go to another site when he reaches the limit of money or time spent.

I think that control initiatives should come exclusively from the players, as long as they create these limits and enforce them.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on March 10, 2023, 02:31:10 PM

Gambling platforms are just after their money and don't care what happened to their customers, this can be felt by how the gambling platforms operate. They're always interested in carrying out service that encourage more gamblers to use their platforms instead of knowing how their customers are doing. You can't blame them though because they aren't met to be responsible for the wellbeing of their customers, this customers are supposed to take care of themselves.

This platform are just carrying out a service as such aren't liable to the negative effect of that service. They're more worst service than providing a gambling platform for gamblers so it isn't like this guys are doing the worst thing on earth. They shouldn't be judged just because few people can't control their addition.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on March 10, 2023, 06:44:59 PM

The question is, how can a casino know that they have a customer who is a gambling addict? I don't think casinos take note of how often a user loses money on bets, but if they do, they will still be glad they are making money. Even if this feature is added to casinos, which I think is very impossible, users will still find it difficult to stop because it can only take discipline and determination to stop what they have been addicted to. I am not a smoker, but I think smoking and gambling have different urges and drives. The gambling urge makes the person want to gamble more; the moment when they think they should not gamble is when they begin to contemplate that it may be the moment they can win. The urge is more serious in gambling addiction than smoking.

Most of them do, and that's how they actually customize their bonuses and rewards to those high spenders and those with bigger losses. They have the capacity, the capability, and the resources to hand out those warnings or friendly advices to people that are losing a lot in gambling, so why don't they? They just have to do a little coding and a little push to make things possible -- if they're serious about it, that is.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on March 10, 2023, 06:44:59 PM

The question is, how can a casino know that they have a customer who is a gambling addict? I don't think casinos take note of how often a user loses money on bets, but if they do, they will still be glad they are making money. Even if this feature is added to casinos, which I think is very impossible, users will still find it difficult to stop because it can only take discipline and determination to stop what they have been addicted to. I am not a smoker, but I think smoking and gambling have different urges and drives. The gambling urge makes the person want to gamble more; the moment when they think they should not gamble is when they begin to contemplate that it may be the moment they can win. The urge is more serious in gambling addiction than smoking.

There's no way on detecting that because betting on huge or having big wagers doesnt always indicate that a certain user is already that addicted to gambling and thats why they would really just
letting a user to continue on what they are doing and there's no way that you could be able to point out that a certain user is already that addicted.
They would really be just giving out those kind of restrictions if a user would really be requesting for some self exclusion which is really that a common thing to be seen
on some top gambling sites which you could make your account get blocked on a period of time.

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The question is, how can a casino know that they have a customer who is a gambling addict? I don't think casinos take note of how often a user loses money on bets, but if they do, they will still be glad they are making money. Even if this feature is added to casinos, which I think is very impossible, users will still find it difficult to stop because it can only take discipline and determination to stop what they have been addicted to. I am not a smoker, but I think smoking and gambling have different urges and drives. The gambling urge makes the person want to gamble more; the moment when they think they should not gamble is when they begin to contemplate that it may be the moment they can win. The urge is more serious in gambling addiction than smoking.

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To be honest if none was forcing them to be addict with gambling. They were making it by themselves to be addict with gambling. You have been agree by doing gamble if any risk will be at you. I think that anyone has responsibility over their addiction to the gambling. Some people may able not to be addicted to it and some did it. it's all depends on the personality. It's not all of people being addicted as long as they can control their emotion and used it for the entertaining purpose.

I guess that if those addictive people used it to gamble with their life and they gave everything they own to speculate if they can doubled or tripled it in a night. None forced them to be addictive and they were being addicted by themselves.

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Quote from: bangjoe on March 10, 2023, 10:58:29 AM

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I think how if the Platform/gambling company has a stop gambling service that is very good and helps gamblers who want to stop.
I know this will backfire on the gambling platform, but in retrospect, if this is implemented, it is a so wise move.

What do you think about this?

I doubt that gambling companies would implement ways in order to minimize people from trying their services. At the end of the day, gambling is a business in which the owners are inclined to profit. If they truly want to create movements in order to minimize people from using their services, it is like limiting themselves from profiting.

The only way that I see this working is when the government orders or implements a law compelling these casinos to add a limitation on the betting. Though I highly doubt that this would happen since gambling also brings revenue to the government in return. So in a way, you are actually limiting the budget of the government, which is not a good idea.

There is a difficult line to draw in balancing the interests of the owner/government and the welfare of the people. I do think that changes must be made in order to address the problems with gambling addiction.

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