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legendary
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October 29, 2015, 11:04:41 AM
#48
Nothing changed with the introduction of the Bitcoin technology... rich people still have buying power and can still own the most coins, if they ever decided to do that. Yes, Bitcoin

distribution can enable micro payments on some services and poor people can enter markets where they were previously be excluded. The financial landlords just gave up a piece

of the rent, to smaller plot owners... but they still have the majority of the collected wealth. {Historical advantage or old money}  Sad ...Bitcoin is still a drop in the ocean of the

entire global wealth.
legendary
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October 29, 2015, 10:34:36 AM
#47
It is unavoidable, because early adopters will always have more power comparated to late adopters, no matter what you do.

It is worse with FIAT or with the Internet

legendary
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October 29, 2015, 10:32:35 AM
#46
There will only ever be 21 million bitcoins, and there are over 7 billion people in the world already.

If you own even 1 bitcoin, you already own way more than your 'fair share'...  If you took all the bitcoins that currently exist and divided them among all the people in the world equally, there would only be a little more than 0.002 bitcoins per person.


You can't use logic like that. There is probably more people in the world who never used internet to begin with. Most people in so called first world have never heard of bitcoin.
Bitcoin community is rather hermetic by nature.
hero member
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October 29, 2015, 10:24:09 AM
#45
Besides, it has been time proven that any wealth distribution always ends up with a certain elite owning more than most of the common people. No matter how you start.

Yep. That's the fact of the matter. The rich always get richer.

So this problem is something worth talking about. It won't just go away.
Unfortunately, the facts are:
1) skewed initial distribution
2) eventual (price) deflation coz limited supply, causing holders to keep holding and getting richer.
3) skewed distribution will only get more skewed as time passes.

I doubt anything can 'fix' this.

If a new country was being started and a new fiat currency was being distributed and there were no rich people outside trying to get in, the new government would have to distribute the new fiat somehow. But they wouldn't just dole it out evenly. They would distribute to people they rationalize as productive ('friends'), and those who provide services in exchange. There would be some sense in that strategy too.
At least with bitcoin, that distribution has been made to nerds, and tbh I'm happier with that idea than with a distribution to political and business friends. I can see why many (most?) would disagree with me tho.

The meritocracy that is open source is likely to produce a different kind of power structure; one that has never been tried before. But it's probably just as corruptible as any previous one Sad
legendary
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October 29, 2015, 10:20:51 AM
#44
I'm sure it's exchanges and business that account for many of the largest addresses, but it's undeniable that there are some ginormous individual holders.

Assuming it becomes a success what are such people planning to do? They can either sell, which they can only do once. They can spend them which again spreads them far and wide. They can sit on them and then not much happens at all.

The criticism of its distribution is valid but none of the above are particularly spine chilling options.





They could lend them out for a profit, gaining an even larger share of BTC. In fact, any profitable (in BTC terms) use they could find for their coins would have the effect of further centralizing wealth.

If, for any activity, you profit more then you can reasonably spend, you will likely end up accumulating wealth.
hero member
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October 29, 2015, 10:10:42 AM
#43
The people that own lots of Bitcoins deserve them, period. They took a big, big risk by buying something that was near to worthless. They saw the potential before everyone else, they took the risk, and they took the reward. Just don't come crying here again in a decade or two because you didn't took the opportunity to get some coins when they still were 3 figures each.
newbie
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October 29, 2015, 10:00:34 AM
#42
1st, nobody knows the individuals' numbers in the Bitcoin ledger, only bitcoin addresses
2nd, false numbers

check this: http://ondn.net:800/
legendary
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October 29, 2015, 05:19:30 AM
#41
I think this had been discussed several times. First of all I hardly doubt that each address stands for one person. Pools and exchanges had been mentioned.
And of course we have very rich people in Bitcoin.These are either very early adopters and therefore they were very lucky but also deserved as they took the risk to believe in that technology in the super early years or this had been people with cash investing in it (Winklevoss Bros for instance).
I don't have a problem with it. We are still in early times of Bitcoin's growth.Over the years the distribution will spread more.However there will still be big holders/owners of Bitcoin.
But in how far is that different to the concentration of wealth in fiat money or precious metals?
Bitcoin wasn't designed to make everyone having the same wealth.It was created to make us free from the actual financial system.
newbie
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October 29, 2015, 04:09:13 AM
#40
First, the top wallets are exchanges' and organization's.

Second, the distribution will be evener when the top holders sell their coins when the price rises.
hero member
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October 29, 2015, 01:47:35 AM
#39
at first look it does seem distribution is alarming but as most other posters point out distribution should even out as time goes on.

what is kind of interesting is that 4.4 % of all btc is missing....is that a loss rate that can be extrapolated out and expected to be 920,000 when all btc is mined or will the loss rate fall as value rises and more care is taken in not losing them?

Also in addition to the lost btc, isnt there something like 1 million btc held by satoshi nakamoto...and if those never get spent, how does that effect wealth distribution?
legendary
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October 29, 2015, 01:31:05 AM
#38
Why would the distribution of Bitcoin be different to the distribution of wealth world wide? It's a new technology and early adopters would still have the majority of the coins. The rest would eventually end up based on the wealth distribution, as is with the trend today.

The top addresses are used by big businesses and their shareholders, not individuals. So this is just a FUD statement being made by a ignorant poster.  ^hmf^
sr. member
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October 29, 2015, 01:05:26 AM
#37
It will even out as time passes.
legendary
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October 29, 2015, 01:01:55 AM
#36
There is no distribution problem.

  • 1. No owners of Bitcoins (except maybe Satoshi) have enough bitcoins to put them in the list of the richest 10,000 people in the world.
  • 2. People tend to confuse money and wealth. Wealthy people generally have very little of their wealth stored as money.
  • 3. The distribution will even out eventually. People with a lot of bitcoins will spend them and people with no bitcoins will acquire them.
  • 4. Less than 1/20 of 1% of the world population own 99.9% of all the Albanian leks. Why aren't people clamoring for their fair share of Albanian leks?

And finally, bitcoins are not precious or hard to obtain. If you want to be in the top 10% of bitcoin owners, you merely need to own 10 bitcoins. Sure, that's a lot of money for some people, but if you to be one of the elite, it will cost you.
hero member
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October 29, 2015, 12:26:53 AM
#35
you simply can't solve the problem of wealth equity with new money. It's human character. If you want to change it; change humans
full member
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October 28, 2015, 10:40:25 PM
#34
Maybe, they are trying to explain the difference between the rich and the poor individuals in a business world.
legendary
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October 28, 2015, 10:12:57 PM
#33
I think this is a legitimate question, although there is little analogy to capitalistic ratios, like the "1%," IMO.

In fact, it is the opposite.

Biggest "Bagholders" in BTC are free-thinking visionary risk-takers, while capitalist billionaires are mostly greedy anal exploiters...and/or geniuses.  Smiley

(Sorry, I'm watching the US GOP debate ATM....  Supremacy, greed & classicism make me ill.....)
legendary
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October 28, 2015, 10:05:38 PM
#32
I was watching this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_hBhymFfm8 then was checking the comments and I found this :




I'd like to hear from you and what do you think about this comment ? is he right or wrong (on the last part )?

Most of those huge "individuals" are cold wallets of big exchanges etc.

A lot is also from satoshi, who's unlikely to use any of them. And even if he does, I'd rather have satoshi be incredibly rich than to have the current billionaires. Satoshi didn't cause the banking crisis, the current billionaires did.
legendary
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October 28, 2015, 07:33:42 PM
#31
There's no way to know for a fact how much does a single person own, so for this reason, it's all speculation beyond that. In any case, the fact that we will go through many bubble burst cycles, a lot and I mean A LOT of Bitcoins held by whales will be re-distributed among new buyers because they WILL panic sell. They are going to panic sell a lot of times, and all those times means a lot of different people getting Bitcoins, which means redistribution. At some point tho, there will be an elite of people that own 21 BTC +, and people that don't. Supply and demand, there will always be elites, so stop complaining and buy the damn thing while it's cheap, or cry later.
hero member
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October 28, 2015, 07:25:45 PM
#30
Well the big holders arent selling any coin ,meaning the rest is selling and buying them,and for sure there is a group holding the most coins,besides those the exchanges mooves more money then any wallet as we know.
Pab
legendary
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October 28, 2015, 06:40:27 PM
#29
 I know thatabout 25% of bitcoin is  owned by very limited number of people,bitcoin is not currency of people from very long time,it is one of the currencys of the world
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