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Quote from: crzy on September 18, 2021, 05:14:46 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on September 18, 2021, 10:59:02 AM

I regard people as intelligent beings capable of independent decisions and conclusions. Therefore, I do not see anything unethical in such advertising. If it is very easy to deceive you (or rather create a mistaken opinion) with the help of such simple techniques, then this is first of all your problem and you need to raise your level of awareness and a critical view of the world.

It only becomes unethical if they posted it without age restrictions this only means they encourage younger people to gamble, so if its uploaded on youtube they must activate the restrictions. Advertisement is fine I personally register on some suggested sites because of Youtube but then I realize that his winnings might not real since he’s advertising the site and he is being paid for that, probably playing the money of casinos just to give false advertisement which is still legal.

Yes posting any content without putting any age restriction towards gambling activities also post a good to be true claims just to lure people and promote their referral links towards their followers is totally unethical but if the content creator promotes responsible gamble and only posting out base on his reviews then they are totally good and a content creator to follow since they can guide people on how to became responsible towards there playing decision.

And most important thing on this is don't follow a content creator who have sponsor videos(Not all but almost) since for sure you will only get hyping or untrue contents.

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Quote from: KTChampions on September 18, 2021, 10:59:02 AM

I regard people as intelligent beings capable of independent decisions and conclusions. Therefore, I do not see anything unethical in such advertising. If it is very easy to deceive you (or rather create a mistaken opinion) with the help of such simple techniques, then this is first of all your problem and you need to raise your level of awareness and a critical view of the world.

It only becomes unethical if they posted it without age restrictions this only means they encourage younger people to gamble, so if its uploaded on youtube they must activate the restrictions. Advertisement is fine I personally register on some suggested sites because of Youtube but then I realize that his winnings might not real since he’s advertising the site and he is being paid for that, probably playing the money of casinos just to give false advertisement which is still legal.

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Quote from: mv1986 on September 18, 2021, 12:13:55 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on September 18, 2021, 10:59:02 AM

I regard people as intelligent beings capable of independent decisions and conclusions. Therefore, I do not see anything unethical in such advertising. If it is very easy to deceive you (or rather create a mistaken opinion) with the help of such simple techniques, then this is first of all your problem and you need to raise your level of awareness and a critical view of the world.

That really depends on life circumstances. Is someone taking drugs and getting addicted to online gambling automatically less intelligent that someone who doesn't get into that situation? I would highly doubt that. You can be in personal trouble or whatever problem you might have in a certain situation, stuff that can make you vulnerable to bad influence that usually wouldn't harm you in the slightest.

Also, age plays a big role. I have made bad decisions with 15/16 years that I would never repeat again.

But if you exclude age, then everything that you have listed - drugs, some personal problems, illness, etc. it is not a problem of who is doing advertising or is your counterparty in any transaction. If a person is considered capable, then all his decisions are his responsibility. Because if you consider it differently, then unexpectedly for yourself, you may face the cancellation of transactions unilaterally and other things due to the fact that the counterparty "had some problems".

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Quote from: shield132 on September 16, 2021, 02:39:58 PM

We all have seen dozen videos of streamers on twitch/youtube who play with huge amount of money and sometimes win a lot. Overall, the main idea behind these streams is that if you have huge bankroll, then you have a higher chance of win greater amounts of money. This is done in order to attract people with higher bankroll instead of low ones. While I was always saying that adult person is independent in his/her choice and if he/she does anything, it's only his fault, I still look at this marketing like a dirt trick to attract people with bankroll more than they are afford to lose.

Most of the times I have seen youtubers who were using high quality equipment, tech support, etc and had different casino themes on their video but were acting like an actors and were swearing that they were playing with their own money.

So, what do you guys think, is this kind of marketing ethical?

If we take the time to really watch any ad that you can see on TV you will see that most of the time the product is not advertised over its merits and instead the ads are manipulative so I am not surprised that we are now seeing something similar on YouTube videos, however if the review is sponsored and it is presented as such then I have no problems with it as they are basically telling you they are being paid to give the review, however if the review is sponsored but the person denies this then this is not ethical and it is a problem.

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Quote from: KTChampions on September 18, 2021, 10:59:02 AM

I regard people as intelligent beings capable of independent decisions and conclusions. Therefore, I do not see anything unethical in such advertising. If it is very easy to deceive you (or rather create a mistaken opinion) with the help of such simple techniques, then this is first of all your problem and you need to raise your level of awareness and a critical view of the world.

That really depends on life circumstances. Is someone taking drugs and getting addicted to online gambling automatically less intelligent that someone who doesn't get into that situation? I would highly doubt that. You can be in personal trouble or whatever problem you might have in a certain situation, stuff that can make you vulnerable to bad influence that usually wouldn't harm you in the slightest.

Also, age plays a big role. I have made bad decisions with 15/16 years that I would never repeat again.

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I regard people as intelligent beings capable of independent decisions and conclusions. Therefore, I do not see anything unethical in such advertising. If it is very easy to deceive you (or rather create a mistaken opinion) with the help of such simple techniques, then this is first of all your problem and you need to raise your level of awareness and a critical view of the world.

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It is completely unethical to stream with sponsored funds and claim them to be yours. That is the reason why recently Twitch has banned any and all types of gambling promotions from their platform.

Even stake has moved to dlive instead of twitch because Eddie, the stake official streamer was getting banned again and again every week. I understand some innocent and non-scammy streamers might suffer from this twitch decision but overall I agree that gamblers were faking too much balance and something had to be done at some point.

Paid streamer by the house will definitely going to manipulate the viewer by telling that he is using his own money in gambling. It's unethical by hiding the truth behind the big bets on gambling instead of telling the truth. But this is just part of the marketing strategy of a gambling site which of course they think will attract gamblers. Twitch made an action that will help balance a healthy environment on the site but yeah it will affect a non-scammy streamers by the regulation that an online site were imposing.

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When I find something tough and publicly proven to be difficult to obtain, and then someone suddenly in his chair starts doing few seconds magic to convince the world that it's truly easy, I find it very hard to accept such a concept. We are all aware that to win in gambling is sometimes accompanied by luck and skill, no one can sit on his wheel and tell me differently.
Even if you read the comments on the streams, if you are a curious person, you will find it hard to believe the games as genuine.

Quote from: cabron on September 16, 2021, 07:58:00 PM

It's unethical but is not prohibited that's why they continue to promote. I'm sure there are people trying to expose them on their comments, I've read some of the comments given by the viewers which they are saying the strategy isn't working and that means they really tried what the streamer is doing. Victims are complaining.

Streamers continue to do it even after they changed their terms as twitch introduced restrictions on gambling-related links.

What makes it unethical? Watching those streams is a form of gambling since you know that if you follow the procedures, you will either lose or gain.
Actually, there are decent YouTubers that preserve their reputation and have taught many of their techniques, but I don't believe in following one's approach, only the foolish do so, and that's why they fall prey.

Tips: Loosing is part of gambling, you can't always outsmart the house or another player. Go with the vibes and learn yourself.

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Quote from: shield132 on September 16, 2021, 02:39:58 PM

I still look at this marketing like a dirt trick to attract people with bankroll more than they are afford to lose.

Most of the times I have seen youtubers who were using high quality equipment, tech support, etc and had different casino themes on their video but were acting like an actors and were swearing that they were playing with their own money.

So, what do you guys think, is this kind of marketing ethical?

It's unethical but it works and gambling sites and Youtube and Twitch continue to do this and it will continue to be effective as long as they are getting new players to register and invest and do what Youtube and Twitch marketing are doing when it comes to gambling you have to do research not only how to play games and how they market their features and games and you will discover it's part of their marketing hype.

Their marketing strategy really helps them attract attention from people who watch Youtube and even if they paid Youtubers with some cash, the casino still makes a profit from the new gamblers. Maybe that strategy will work temporarily until they can find a new way to attract more people to come to their site and spend their time playing gambling. But related to unethical, that will be no problem because we do not know if the other sites are also doing the same thing as them.

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Quote from: iv4n on September 18, 2021, 06:57:23 AM

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Quote from: iv4n on September 18, 2021, 03:38:54 AM

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^ Definitely right!
Do you believe when streamers bet it is manipulated by the gambling owners, they will increase the chances of winning?
I heard this before so many times, I am not sure how they will work on it. Minor age could possibly watch the video and make them curious which they thought that it was just easy to bet in gambling online. This will mislead them and possibly turn to addiction. Speaking of Ethical, I don't think so.

In some discussions about this matter, some people are sure that streamers have increased the chances of winning! Especially situations where these streamers lose, it's happening often, and then with the last bet's they are hitting something incredibly huge!
How they work on this, well, look at Twitch, they have some new rules, but I don't know how all that is working for now... I guess there's no cure for this, streamers will always find a new platform where they can stream, and viewers will follow probably!

For sure they would really hop in into the current trend because if you don't know on which site you are tending to stream on then viewer numbers wont really be that significant.

Talking about those wins on the end then its just really that truly random because if this is really for the benefit out on sites positive reputation then it would really be ending up on rigging those bets.

Most streamers do really go for sponsorship or do really just tend to stream out something which is really on trend.Doesnt matter on what it is as long it is really in line on the current
hypes and interest in the market.

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Quote from: panjul07 on September 18, 2021, 06:18:07 AM

It does not matter where the money comes from, it does not matter whether there is a disclaimer or not from the streamer.
What we need to put in our mind is, watch them as entertainment only and dont be attracted to bet more than you can afford to lose because we watch those streamers.
If we are losing big because we watch them regularly and we think that we can get the same result, it is completely our own fault.
Those paid/sponsored streamers is one of the best marketing strategies, the same when we see many posts in this forum about big wins.

I don't really care if there is a disclaimer about the money being sponsored or not but it does matter(at least for me) if they claim that the money they gamble is theirs when in reality it is not. there are tons of gullible gamblers (adults/kids) out there that would believe these streamers. I don't deny that hiring streamers to advertise play on their gambling site is a great marketing strategy. what I am pointing out is that these streamers should at least have a common courtesy towards their viewers and not letting them believe that the sponsored money they gamble is theirs.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on September 18, 2021, 03:51:11 AM

Quote from: iv4n on September 18, 2021, 03:38:54 AM

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^ Definitely right!
Do you believe when streamers bet it is manipulated by the gambling owners, they will increase the chances of winning?
I heard this before so many times, I am not sure how they will work on it. Minor age could possibly watch the video and make them curious which they thought that it was just easy to bet in gambling online. This will mislead them and possibly turn to addiction. Speaking of Ethical, I don't think so.

In some discussions about this matter, some people are sure that streamers have increased the chances of winning! Especially situations where these streamers lose, it's happening often, and then with the last bet's they are hitting something incredibly huge!
How they work on this, well, look at Twitch, they have some new rules, but I don't know how all that is working for now... I guess there's no cure for this, streamers will always find a new platform where they can stream, and viewers will follow probably!

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I'm not aware of that kind of promotion, but it doesn't look unethical for me as long as the site is playing and players have no complaints about their deposit and withdrawal and the gambling is provably fair, when it comes to depositing and playing it's up to players you should know better by doing your own research and do not get influence by Youtubers.

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Quote from: Oilacris on September 17, 2021, 05:33:13 PM

Its a bit uncommon for streamers to live on or stream out without having any affiliation or referral kind of motive and just simply diving with the hype but as long they dont spent out money then for sure
this is a bit common because they do jump with the hype and more view means more money.

Yes, as a smart content streamer they will definitely maximize the way they are monetize content via ref links, even if they are not sponsored.
If we go back to the topic of ethics in advertising, I think using sponsorship funds is still reasonable and fine. as long as there is no criminal element in the method. like fraud. false information and so on

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Quote from: acroman08 on September 17, 2021, 09:39:30 AM

Quote from: shield132 on September 16, 2021, 02:39:58 PM

We all have seen dozen videos of streamers on twitch/youtube who play with huge amount of money and sometimes win a lot. Overall, the main idea behind these streams is that if you have huge bankroll, then you have a higher chance of win greater amounts of money. This is done in order to attract people with higher bankroll instead of low ones. While I was always saying that adult person is independent in his/her choice and if he/she does anything, it's only his fault, I still look at this marketing like a dirt trick to attract people with bankroll more than they are afford to lose.

Most of the times I have seen youtubers who were using high quality equipment, tech support, etc and had different casino themes on their video but were acting like an actors and were swearing that they were playing with their own money.

So, what do you guys think, is this kind of marketing ethical?

if the money is sponsored by the gambling site and if there is a disclaimer from the streamer I think it's fine. but if they claim that the money that they gamble is theirs but in reality, the money was sponsored by a gambling site. I think that is just plain deceiving and they should be called out. I know streamers can or could get a commission from the traffic his streams make to the gambling site.
as for their reactions. they need to attract an audience/gamblers so I understand if they over-exaggerate their reactions even if the money is sponsored.

It does not matter where the money comes from, it does not matter whether there is a disclaimer or not from the streamer.
What we need to put in our mind is, watch them as entertainment only and dont be attracted to bet more than you can afford to lose because we watch those streamers.
If we are losing big because we watch them regularly and we think that we can get the same result, it is completely our own fault.
Those paid/sponsored streamers is one of the best marketing strategies, the same when we see many posts in this forum about big wins.

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Quote from: shield132 on September 16, 2021, 02:39:58 PM

So, what do you guys think, is this kind of marketing ethical?

Obviously not.
They are a paid actors as If they're playing with their own money, isn't that too obvious?
This is also the same as the YouTubers who has been making tons of reviews about the latest NFT games today, because they themselves were invested into the game and they want everyone to play to the game for them to earn when an NFT pumps.
Those giveaways are just another marketing strategy to gather more viewers.

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Quote from: shield132 on September 16, 2021, 02:39:58 PM

We all have seen dozen videos of streamers on twitch/youtube who play with huge amount of money and sometimes win a lot. Overall, the main idea behind these streams is that if you have huge bankroll, then you have a higher chance of win greater amounts of money. This is done in order to attract people with higher bankroll instead of low ones. While I was always saying that adult person is independent in his/her choice and if he/she does anything, it's only his fault, I still look at this marketing like a dirt trick to attract people with bankroll more than they are afford to lose.

Most of the times I have seen youtubers who were using high quality equipment, tech support, etc and had different casino themes on their video but were acting like an actors and were swearing that they were playing with their own money.

So, what do you guys think, is this kind of marketing ethical?

Why would it be unethical? If you think that way, wearing casino signatures should be equally unethical. Or other TV ads that promote gambling should be unethical too... Beer also affects your health badly but we see beer ads everywhere on TV. Do you think it is unethical? No, I don't think so. If minors watch these ads and get affected by them, it is their parents' responsibility to keep them away from those. We can't turn the whole world into a kindergarten just because there are kids around.

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Quote from: shield132 on September 16, 2021, 02:39:58 PM

We all have seen dozen videos of streamers on twitch/youtube who play with huge amount of money and sometimes win a lot. Overall, the main idea behind these streams is that if you have huge bankroll, then you have a higher chance of win greater amounts of money. This is done in order to attract people with higher bankroll instead of low ones. While I was always saying that adult person is independent in his/her choice and if he/she does anything, it's only his fault, I still look at this marketing like a dirt trick to attract people with bankroll more than they are afford to lose.

Most of the times I have seen youtubers who were using high quality equipment, tech support, etc and had different casino themes on their video but were acting like an actors and were swearing that they were playing with their own money.

So, what do you guys think, is this kind of marketing ethical?

It can be ethical and it's rather easy for it to be. All the streamer has to do is be clear when they have received any sort of financial or other benefit from a company that they are choosing to promote. Personally I would discount and disclaim any ones opinion on a product or service if they have received any form of sponsorship in return. They might bring up interesting features which can be helpful in forming your own opinions, but everyone should do their own independent research before jumping in and buying any product. The streamer might be told to focus on one particular benefit but the service is actually weak in comparison to others in different fields. They and you will inevitably get subconsciously manipulated by advertising but that is all around in the world and not limited to twitch/youtube.

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Quote from: shield132 on September 16, 2021, 02:39:58 PM

I still look at this marketing like a dirt trick to attract people with bankroll more than they are afford to lose.

Most of the times I have seen youtubers who were using high quality equipment, tech support, etc and had different casino themes on their video but were acting like an actors and were swearing that they were playing with their own money.

So, what do you guys think, is this kind of marketing ethical?

It's unethical but it works and gambling sites and Youtube and Twitch continue to do this and it will continue to be effective as long as they are getting new players to register and invest and do what Youtube and Twitch marketing are doing when it comes to gambling you have to do research not only how to play games and how they market their features and games and you will discover it's part of their marketing hype.

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Quote from: iv4n on September 18, 2021, 03:38:54 AM

Ethical or not, people are watching... I guess mostly for some free money they can get! And as long as these casino streamers rain money in their channels there will be people watching it! Of course, viewers can be minors (and I believe most of them are) and that is a bit problematic, they watch some guy who is playing hard and winning really big and they think they can do it as well!

I don't find it interesting, to watch someone else gambles... I like to see a nice winning bet, but to watch the entire session is like a complete waste of time for me, I would rather enjoy playing than watching someone else do it!

^ Definitely right!
Do you believe when streamers bet it is manipulated by the gambling owners, they will increase the chances of winning?
I heard this before so many times, I am not sure how they will work on it. Minor age could possibly watch the video and make them curious which they thought that it was just easy to bet in gambling online. This will mislead them and possibly turn to addiction. Speaking of Ethical, I don't think so.

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