Topic: What do you think of the Bitcoin Discussion section? Does he need to change? (Read 825 times)

The "they" in my reply was referring to the specific user and not beginners or newbies. Spam is not peculiar to rank and merits or activity is not an explicit sign of a positive member to the forum.
Trolls, scammers and spammers come in all profiles and ranks.

Do you really think this problem only applies to beginners? Here on the forum, there are quite a few high-ranking users who do not hesitate to create hundreds of useless shitty threads ... moreover, these users, receive hundreds of merits. And they will not even bother to respond in their own discussions ... which once again convinces me that it is not in vain that I ignore such "supposedly" significant authors. I mean, in addition to all of the above, we should also reconsider the rules of plagiarism, etc. ... because now there are double standards on the forum in this regard.

In this case; a newbie posting these types of posts, there should be enough patrollers to deal with it. The issue is likely with higher ranks, that would justify a dedicated moderator. Assuming that global moderators are overwhelmed or not going through the section, and cleaning it up a little bit.

The user was text spinning from articles elsewhere. The text spinning was fairly decent at avoiding most searches, however ultimately wasn't good enough to avoid being nuked.

I actually commented on one of the users thread, although the main theme of the comment was replying to an idea I saw in another reply while scrolling through and which I thought was wrong. The purpose of the topic is a hackneyed one on the comparison of Bitcoin to gold.

It's an obvious case of spam and looking at the user's post history,,they have never replied to any of their threads since they joined the forum, they just push out thread after thread with no care to interact with any discussion on any of the threads.

Those should be considered as topics spamming, I hope most if not all will be deleted soon. 12 topics in just less than a day. Maybe the person is doing it thinking it will earn him merit, or doing it for recognition, I just do not understand.

The most recent threads created in Bitcoin Discussion...



This has been over the last 24 hours. Every one of his 12 threads is text spun plagiarism and zero value trash. This board needs a dedicated mod to stop users like this before they gain traction.

Agreed. Much easier to digest what's going on without seeing the same thing posted over and over again.

But then, if this happens while I'm an advertiser, I'd be pretty sad because I need them to spread my brand

If you're referring to the number of signature campaigns, you could check out the Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns by Mitchell. I won't bother with bounties because they're aplenty and I doubt anyone has the time to make a compilation AFAIK.


Tell me about it.

Happened to stumble across one thread earlier today about "deciphering" the Bit from Bitcoin and one senior member expressed his exasperation because of this.

I think the forum is very good now (except for some bounty hunters) and everything else is very good.

Many new people join the forum every day. Many old members of the forum are also very patient to answer questions like others

I also think that there are many similar questions in the Bitcoin discussion section, and the content of some topics is not true, and the questions sent at random are not convincing. There are many more worthless threads than valuable threads. I think it can be strictly reviewed. Some inferior posts or posts with no quality and value can be left unreserved. When I first joined the forum, I felt that the Bitcoin discussion part should be the main part, but I think the quality of Bitcoin discussion posts is not so high now.

I think we are all agree that something needs to change I do not know the best solution to our problems with the spam but we as a community need to pick up the slack if there are not enough moderators until theymos decides to add new moderators. The more reports we make in Bitcoin Discussion the more likely theymos will add a new moderator. I do not report many posts but I will put special effort into reporting spam posts I see on that board from now on and I hope others will to because atm the spam is very bad there.

Lol, so that's why you wanted to take the username "Skeptical Chemist" ... it turns out you do not believe in the bright future of Bitcoin, blabla, and etc. But seriously speaking (although this has already been mentioned), in order to put an end to this discussion, and at the same time unload the moderators and the users themselves, Theymos should think about creating the same conditions in this section as in the "Serious discussion & Ivory Tower" section. But, personally, I am against it, since this is likely to affect other sections ... sections that spammers, thank God, bypass for the time being.

And what would the section be left with if all of those posts were deleted?  Most of the good stuff!  That's why all of those shitposts should be reported when you see them--and I'm not saying you need to go out of your way to look for them, but if you're reading threads in sections like Bitcoin Discussion you're inevitably going to come across them.  It only takes a few seconds to report a garbage post to the mods and then your part is done.

I just made a post in Meta about the quality of posts in Economics deteriorating lately and asked whether this might be due to an increase in signature campaigns and/or bounties.  I don't follow the Services section (or the bounty one), so I don't have a good sense of how many are currently active.  But it sure as hell seems like those old "bitcoin has a bright future and is increasing day by day" posts are making a comeback.

Bitcoin Discussion should be the one sub forum which has the most moderators instead it has the least it does not make sense to me? There will always be more members wanting to join a signature campaign that there will be spaces this is obvious if you look at the open signature campaigns and how many members apply for them how quick they fill the position. Bitcoin

This is what I expected, I now read in the BD section every day...most of people still choose to read this section.
Although the quality of the posts inside is really different.

There is almost anything about Bitcoin. That's why there will be a variety of posts with different qualities.

Just like the two posts listed by OP. Both of them are good posts but the types are completely different.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57675388
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57569855

Chicken or the egg: did poor campaign management cause quality members to leave (from increased spam), or did the shift into poor post quality lead to respectively poor management?

The existence of zero/extremely-low entry fees for altcoin campaigns made it so that low quality could easily seep into any board. Bad money drives out good, and the same could be said about posts. Why would people bother with high quality when they could farm with 20+ altcoin campaign accounts, spewing shit into the air to get paid? Sad state of the forum.

Looking at Bitcoin discussion board, it doesn't seem to me that it's dominated by altcoin signatures and that they are the main cause of the issues. On the contrary, seems to me that majority of posts are written by those that are in Bitcoin signature campaigns. Current bar set to enter one of the signature campaigns paid in BTC is very low due high amount of campaigns and lack of quality members, so even a  shitposter  with 5-10 merits in the last 120 will be capable to secure a spot.

Now that signature campaigns are mentioned, I wish managers remove subpar participants more often but then again, I understand why they don't do that as they probably won't find adequate replacements so they just go on as it is.

You can always get a stationary bike and exercise in between two reports. Try to get your heart rate up to 140-160 BPM and feel those doughnuts going to waste.

That's an excellent idea. It's like when Bitcoin nodes ban and stop communicating with other nodes who aren't behaving properly. Question is, can something like that be automated in this forum where mods get a notification when X number of posts have been deleted from user A, or would they have to perform manual checks? If its the latter, I don't see it happening.

They care only about the quantity of the posts and the visibility of their signature. Maybe the admins should consider a pilot program of some sorts. Don't allow altcoin signature participants to post in the Bitcoin Discussion boards for a week or two and see what will happen in terms of spam, reported and deleted posts, etc. It might be too restrictive and controversial though.
 

I might agree that bitcoin discussion board have a much bigger role for users to discuss about bitcoin and other thing related to it than just keeping a fair amount of junk and unqualified post from the sheer number of active poster there every day. I don't completely ignore the board but I'm not very active on it either although I know there are some interesting discussion I missed. So far, I've only been actively posting 65 time this year, even though there may be 1-5 (don't remember) posts that may have been deleted due to the low quality of the threads created. There's only one thread I've ever created a bitcoin discussion board "Am I the Only One Who Forget The Innovation of Bitcoin ?" for during my time on the forum, but I don't see many poster interested in getting involved in the discussion.

Applicable rule may not be very effective in preventing poster from posting spam and trash on bitcoin discussion board or this forum as a whole. I have to understand it in a different way due to the fact not all users of this forum care about a forum environment that is clean of low value post. Agree to get stricter moderation from moderator on board that have lot of posters and daily post, deletion and reporting are possible and recommended rather than ignoring board. As of August 16 since 2021, there have been 106,997 created on bitcoin discussion board including child board. If in July 2011 sirius said more than 50% of existing post had become junk, then by 2021 I believe 90% of them may not be as expected.

No, the forum doesn't like intervening by telling you to trust (or not trust) others. You are granted the privilege of ignorance and the opportunity to learn: quit trying to bring about these crazy socialist policies. Just let the scammers do their own thing - they have rights like you and I.

Next, you'll ask for guests to see default trust ratings or be warned about scams being unpunished! Or maybe you'll ask, "why do we have a literal ponzi section?"

Negative …I meant just simply give people like Loyce / Nullis etc who we all know are very knowledgeable some sort of different colored moon, or a badge (like the art contest winners got) that could show they are well versed in cryptography, the forum etc.  I’ve been around for a long time now and still mostly don’t know who I can trust when given feedback /replies etc..even people I interact with often. If you’re a tech dummy like me it would be nice to know members who actually do know their stuff ..because I sure don’t, and with a lot of stuff I ask I may get 10 different replies ..who do I believe?  I dunno, this may be too hard to implement and maybe get too political ..but would be cool even if there were only like 10-20 users who are pretty active given it just to start and go from there. Merit doesn’t mean much to me if being honest and of course rank doesn’t either.