Topic: What do you think??!http://minerscube.com/shop/ 1BTC X 1TH/S FAST 20 nm - page 2. (Read 18452 times)

They using an escrow service so they must be legit? lol

Thanks for posting that information.
I have copied it and sent it to Feng who is the person that has replied to my email and I'll let you know what reply I receive.
Meantime in the interest of full disclosure, here is the reply I've received to far ...

Hi Michael, thank you for interesting in our products and your very informative message.

Sorry for delay (we are flooded with tons of emails).

I will try to explain everything as precisely as possible.

We are located in Beijing in China. This was a tough decision for us.
Provide data or not. We decided to
not, and here I will try to explain you why.

First of all and the most important:

Our technology is very innovative. We used lot of things that is not used by any other company.
We cannot give you our exact location. We are afraid that someone would steal our projects or even ready made devices.

Another thing is that today only couple manufactures are able to make 20 nm ASIC chips. It is very hard to find it and even harder to get really fast production deadline. Thats the reason why we do not want to share it with anybody. This is really big money in the game, so just please, understand us.

Third, but also important. Most of us are working in public sector. Here in China we cannot work in any other job, and have our own company. We cannot also resign from our jobs because on our university we have all the tool we need to build our Minerscube (and we are hiding that we are using public tools to build, develope and test Minerscube). This is tough situation for us, but we try to make everything to satisfy our customers.
We know, that we could sell our products at a much higher price, but we decided that risk is too big and this is the price we pay for it.

If this project will end with success (and as for now everything is going that way), we will begin to be officially as an independent entity.

To be honest in 2014 and 2015 we plan to incerase network hashrate for over 150 PH/s. We believe that we can be the biggest mining hardware company in the world. We want to provide new level of culture in this business. We believe that people deserve to get unused (except testing
purposes) devices and in time.
Also we can tell that every minning device available on current market is overpriced. So stay in touch.
You will hear about us again!

P.S. The most trustful company now KnCMiners. In their first days of life they was insulting by almost everyone as scammers etc. untill they did not deliver their firs device. We hope the same will be in our case. More, we are sure about this.

Regards.
Feng.
Minerscube.com
[email protected]

First, who rented the server: (DNS record)
netname:        DEDISERVELIMITED-NET
descr:          Dediserve Limited
person:         Salman Habib
address:        Kamyana Web Inc
address:        36 H Shadman Town
address:        Sahiwal
address:        Punjab
address:        Pakistan
phone:          +923214018495
nic-hdl:        SH5585-RIPE
mnt-by:         C4L-MNT
source:         RIPE # Filtered
% Information related to '109.104.96.0/19AS25577'

So where is the server really? >A-Record: www.minerscube.com -> minerscube.com -> [ 162.222.213.94  ]

OrgName:        USWHSS.COM
OrgId:          RL-151
Address:        820 W. Danforth Rd., B-20
City:           Edmond
StateProv:      OK
PostalCode:     73003-5006
Country:        US
RegDate:        2013-09-13
Updated:        2013-10-21
NetRange:       162.222.212.0 - 162.222.215.255
CIDR:           162.222.212.0/22
OriginAS:       AS393277
NetName:        RHMEDIA-500
NetHandle:      NET-162-222-212-0-1
Parent:         NET-162-0-0-0-0
NetType:        Direct Allocation
Comment:        Standard NOC hours are 7am to 11pm Central Time
RegDate:        2013-10-09
Updated:        2013-10-09
Ref:            http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-162-222-212-0-1

Second, where goes the email: (MX record = 0   minerscube.com   162.222.213.94 )

route:          109.104.96.0/19
descr:          via C4L
origin:         AS25577
mnt-by:         C4L-MNT
source:         RIPE # Filtered
% This query was served by the RIPE Database Query Service version
Email responsible: Hostmaster E-mail address: admin.rivalhost.com
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: [email protected]
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.4252744500
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: TODD REAGOR
Registrant Organization: RIVALHOST.COM LLC
Registrant Street: 5204 SUMMIT DRIVE
Registrant City: EDMOND
Registrant State/Province: OK
Registrant Postal Code: 73034
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: +1.18775754678
OrgName:        USWHSS.COM
OrgId:          RL-151
Address:        820 W. Danforth Rd., B-20
City:           Edmond
StateProv:      OK
PostalCode:     73003-5006
Country:        US
RegDate:        2013-09-13
Updated:        2013-10-21
Ref:            http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/RL-151

And now watch this: The responsible for the Reversed DNS is in the Netherlands on a local ADSL

Your reverse (PTR) record:
94.213.222.162.in-addr.arpa ->  static-162-222-213-94.uswhss.com
role:           ZIGGO CO BACKBONE AND SECURITY
address:        Winschoterdiep 60
address:        9723 AB Groningen
address:        The Netherlands
phone:          +31(0)88 717 0000
admin-c:        ZIPA1-RIPE
tech-c:         DM1718-RIPE
tech-c:         GH1829-RIPE
nic-hdl:        ZBBS1-RIPE
abuse-mailbox:  [email protected]
mnt-by:         ZIGGO-MNT
source:         RIPE # Filtered

Since none of the IP's are connecting with China, this has nothing to do with some guys in China.
If it was real, then why they need an IP from Ziggo in the Netherlands for their email??
So when you think you are robbed, call the police in Groningen, and let them ask Ziggo for the name and adress of the ADSL customer behind the IP 94.213.222.162
>> you can also ask Ziggo for a "Notice and take-down" form....

Appears to have all the hallmarks of a scam, so be careful.

20nm chips - KNC hasn't even delivered these chips yet.
Discount for trust - a 50% discount on asic hardware in a prime market?
Escrow - Which escrow?

I'd steer clear, too much doesn't add up.  Too many of these shops offering hardware are appearing and taking BTC and running.

This is the email I sent to them ... I have had a reply from them and I'm happy with what they have told me as it fits with what I know about doing business in China with Chinese. That doesn't mean I am ready yet to part with any BTC though, I will remain cautious for the moment.

Greetings from New Zealand.
There have been many new mining products introduced into the market
over the last 6-12 months. Without exception all of the machines
introduced into the market have been delivered late and all of them
under perform from the quoted specifications.
There have also been several companies that have been setup with the
deliberate intention of defrauding people of their money. There was
never machines developed or delivered and lots of money was stolen
away. It appears that http://www.xtrememiners.net/ is the most recent of
these.
People are afraid.
Your machines sound to good to be true. The hash rates you are quoting
compared to the power consumption is far ahead of any other
manufacturers claims. This alone gives people the impression of
unreality and creates a belief that these machines are not possible
and investing money with you will result in them losing out.
This belief is not helped by you not accepting a fully traceable money
transaction ... A USD or other currency bank transfer. As you well
know the owner of a BTC wallet can be completely anonymous and even
ficticious.
Your terms of trade expressly ruling out refunds unless you do not
deliver also sounds less than desirable.
Couple all of these things with your location, China and it is not
surprising that already your validity is being brought into question.
If you wish to dispel these myths and be recognised as a genuine
manufacturer that does intend to deliver on it's promises, it would be
very wise of you to show that you have got working product now by
posting pictures and preferably video of your machine on the
bitcointalk forum, youtube or vimeo and making them accessible for
people to see.
Selecting beta testers and supplying them with machines to test would
also benefit your case.
I do hope you find my suggestions helpful and that you are a genuine
bona-fide company that is intending to deliver on your promises.
At the moment your machines would be the most advanced available.
Yours Sincerely

You had a good idea of posting before buying because you would've lost money. This is a scam. All their miners are the same and it doesn't even look like a miner. The other indicator is that they display their prices in btc which no mining company would do because bitcoin is too volatile curently. Just think that the price of btc would go at 100$? Would they leave their prices in btc?

I'd like to believe it's true and that they really will deliver a machine as quoted .... But ...

I sent them a long email full of questions a few days back and haven't heard from them yet. It'll be interesting to see what they reply or even if they do.

scam 100%

You call that a fancy render? Looks more like a speaker with a logo photoshopped (maybe MS painted) on top.

My favorite part: 15TH Power consumption: 2475 watt (0.165 per GH) (wow 5 times as efficient as KNC 20nm!)

Don't forget overclocking (what kind of power supply does this thing have? 5000W?)

In all seriousness nobody actually believes this shit right? Scammers are getting lazy.

Total scam.

Never pre-order from these kinds of sites, unless you want to pre-order a fancy CGI render.

I smell scam a lot... and it stinks as fuck. Their hashrate is WAY too good to be true. KNC hasn't even released a miner that mines so quickly.

Privacy Protection Service INC d/b/a PrivacyProtect.org ======   SCAM!!!

lol even their "office" is cgi.

Suspiciously similar whois to https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wts-new-r9-270x280x290x-cheap-470053

I'd suspect same scammer(s) involved.

Rit.

Domain Name: MINERSCUBE.COM
Registry Domain ID:
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.netearthone.com
Registrar URL:
Updated Date: 05-Feb-2014
Creation Date: 05-Feb-2014
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 05-Feb-2015
Registrar: NetEarth One, Inc.
Registrar IANA ID: 1005
Registrar Abuse Contact Email:
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone:
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Registrant ID: PP-SP-001
Registrant Name: Domain Admin
Registrant Organization: Privacy Protection Service INC d/b/a PrivacyProtect.org
Registrant Street: C/O ID#10760, PO Box 16 Note - Visit PrivacyProtect.org to contact the
domain owner/operator Note - Visit PrivacyProtect.org to contact the domain owner/operator 
Registrant City: Nobby Beach
Registrant State/Province: Queensland
Registrant Postal Code: QLD 4218
Registrant Country: AU
Registrant Phone: +45.36946676
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email:
Registry Admin ID: PP-SP-001
Admin Name: Domain Admin
Admin Organization: Privacy Protection Service INC d/b/a PrivacyProtect.org
Admin Street: C/O ID#10760, PO Box 16 Note - Visit PrivacyProtect.org to contact the domain
owner/operator Note - Visit PrivacyProtect.org to contact the domain owner/operator 
Admin City: Nobby Beach
Admin State/Province: Queensland
Admin Postal Code: QLD 4218
Admin Country: AU
Admin Phone:
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax:
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email:
Registry Tech ID: PP-SP-001
Tech Name: Domain Admin
Tech Organization: Privacy Protection Service INC d/b/a PrivacyProtect.org
Tech Street: C/O ID#10760, PO Box 16 Note - Visit PrivacyProtect.org to contact the domain
owner/operator Note - Visit PrivacyProtect.org to contact the domain owner/operator 
Tech City: Nobby Beach
Tech State/Province: Queensland
Tech Postal Code: QLD 4218
Tech Country: AU
Tech Phone:
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax:
Tech Fax Ext:
Tech Email:
Name Server: ns1.bitcoin-dns.com
Name Server: ns2.bitcoin-dns.com
DNSSEC:Unsigned
URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System:
http://wdprs.internic.net/

Registration Service Provided By: BITCOINWEBHOSTING.NET

...AND NOT ONLY THAT!

these pre-order scams are making my head spin.

> Located in China
> "At the moment, we are able to provide the most powerful miners on the market."
> 50% off

COULD be legit, but I doubt that. Looks like a scam to me.

scam.