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December 09, 2022, 11:29:21 AM
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That's so kind of you that when you realise that you mistakenly marked a report as bad, you contact the reporting guy to explain them everything about the situation. But besides that, I'd also like to know that if you find something bad yourself (not a report but a post),
Yeah. If another moderator disagrees with my reasoning, they can mark it bad like any other user's report. I've had a few duplicate reports marked as bad recently. I'm thinking about writing a basic userscript to prevent that. It might have to be an extension though, so I'll have to take a look at that in the holiday break so it's ready for the new year. I have plans to streamline my moderation workflow, and hopefully that means I can more efficiently moderate.


do you also have the ability to click on 'report to moderator' and delete it right away? If yes, and you do not get that request to delete the post, will other mods give their take and mark yours as bad if they think that according to them, the post does not deserve to be deleted?
I could just delete it without reporting it, at least if it's within my jurisdiction. Other than that, I can report posts normally in other sections out of my jurisdiction.

Are the sections of the forum classified between all the moderators and each moderator is assigned to specific areas of which all the reports will be sent to that specific moderator only? Or are the reports made, sent to more than one moderator at a time?
More than one. Dedicated moderators within that section, as well as admins, and global moderators will recieve the report. Also, if it's a new user, then patrollers i.e those that receive new user reports, would be able to see it in their report queue.



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Flying Hellfish was mod before Welsh who appeared in ~July 2018 (like me, but I think I was appointed mod after Welsh).
Mole0815 appears in January 2020. And no new mods since.
Thanks for breaking sweat to explain this. We learn everyday. So, in that order, Flying Hellfish was even the oldest employed among them. Now I know this. Moving forward, I like to know what became of the user. They've been inactive for over a year now. Well, I sincerely hope they're ok. It's the same way I noticed TMAN has been inactive too (but) for a longer period.
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I'm sure Flying Hellfish was the last mod added as the process that led to their employment was advertised. I guess that should be in 2019 or so, can't be sure of the date any more. I ain't sure mole0815 or Welsh got in after 2019. Well, sadly I don't know what became of the user. I haven't seen more of them online. I just checked their profile now and the dude was last active on July 13, 2021.
Flying Hellfish was or is moderator for longer than Welsh, I have no doubt about it. In my mind Welsh was the latest addition.

I made a small investigation with the elements I have at disposal (Staff section).

Flying Hellfish was mod before Welsh who appeared in ~July 2018 (like me, but I think I was appointed mod after Welsh).
Mole0815 appears in January 2020. And no new mods since.
But where I think there is confusion is that Welsh was first appointed mod for the Altcoins sections, then he replaced the former mod of the spanish section (and that must have been after Mole0815 was appointed).
So if we come from oldest to newest then:
[...there are many...], Flaying Hellfish, [...there are many...], Welsh or you, and Mole0815.

In any case Mole is the latest addition which can be told clearly. For some reason I had Welsh in mind as our latest mod.
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The post made by halab in the previous page answers both of your questions.
To add to halab's post: Most of the boards have dedicated moderators. For example, "Bitcoin Discussion" is moderated by hilariousandco and "Development & Technical Discussion" is moderated by gmaxwell and achow101.




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by contacting a mod that I know is active in a certain board. These are those situations where you know you have a good report, it is handled as such but is marked as bad, which is of course a mistake that can happen to anyone.
Absolutely, I've marked reports wrongly a few times. I usually contact the user that reported it, and explain to them that I've been an idiot.
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That's so kind of you that when you realise that you mistakenly marked a report as bad, you contact the reporting guy to explain them everything about the situation. But besides that, I'd also like to know that if you find something bad yourself (not a report but a post), do you also have the ability to click on 'report to moderator' and delete it right away? If yes, and you do not get that request to delete the post, will other mods give their take and mark yours as bad if they think that according to them, the post does not deserve to be deleted?

Are the sections of the forum classified between all the moderators and each moderator is assigned to specific areas of which all the reports will be sent to that specific moderator only? Or are the reports made, sent to more than one moderator at a time?
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Duplicate reports for all posts reported 2 or more times or do the moderators also check the reason for reporting? If I report a post for one reason, but then I realize it's wrong or might not be good enough to get the post deleted, I might find a second rule violation why the post could be deleted. If I report that post a second time, but explaining this other reason and maybe mentioning why the first report isn't sufficient, will my report still be marked as bad?
Generally yeah, but that would be more so because the initial report was bad, and you've corrected it. So, the correct report would be handled good (hopefully Tongue), and the bad report, would be marked bad. If they're both technically correct, and you've reported them twice with different reasons, personally I'd probably mark that as good, however your mileage might vary with that one, since other moderators might see it different.

I personally treat a duplicate report as exactly that; a duplicate meaning same post, as well as explanation or if you haven't put anything in the report reason field on both. I always check the reason a user has reported another user, it's literally what I focus on the most, not who reported it, or the title of the thread. In fact, I've modified my report queue to reduce the size of the title of threads, since generally it's not very useful.
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I'm sure Flying Hellfish was the last mod added as the process that led to their employment was advertised. I guess that should be in 2019 or so, can't be sure of the date any more. I ain't sure mole0815 or Welsh got in after 2019. Well, sadly I don't know what became of the user. I haven't seen more of them online. I just checked their profile now and the dude was last active on July 13, 2021.
Flying Hellfish was or is moderator for longer than Welsh, I have no doubt about it. In my mind Welsh was the latest addition.

I made a small investigation with the elements I have at disposal (Staff section).

Flying Hellfish was mod before Welsh who appeared in ~July 2018 (like me, but I think I was appointed mod after Welsh).
Mole0815 appears in January 2020. And no new mods since.
But where I think there is confusion is that Welsh was first appointed mod for the Altcoins sections, then he replaced the former mod of the spanish section (and that must have been after Mole0815 was appointed).


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I think let's not put too much attention to a bad or good reports. If you are like me then I don't even care to report. I like my time here. But if you are like some huge reporters then the bad reports will be just a drop of the ocean.
I don't care about the report statistics, but I am curious how certain things are handled. Like this particular case that I mentioned. In my opinion, if report reason #1 is wrong, it should be market as bad. But that shouldn't automatically mark report #2 as bad as well. If, of course, reason #2 is reported correctly. 

About me reporting or not. I do report whenever I come across something that shouldn't be there. But I don't even have 1000 reports to my name. 
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I'm sure Flying Hellfish was the last mod added as the process that led to their employment was advertised. I guess that should be in 2019 or so, can't be sure of the date any more. I ain't sure mole0815 or Welsh got in after 2019. Well, sadly I don't know what became of the user. I haven't seen more of them online. I just checked their profile now and the dude was last active on July 13, 2021.
Flying Hellfish was or is moderator for longer than Welsh, I have no doubt about it. In my mind Welsh was the latest addition.

Duplicate reports for all posts reported 2 or more times or do the moderators also check the reason for reporting? If I report a post for one reason, but then I realize it's wrong or might not be good enough to get the post deleted, I might find a second rule violation why the post could be deleted. If I report that post a second time, but explaining this other reason and maybe mentioning why the first report isn't sufficient, will my report still be marked as bad?
I think let's not put too much attention to a bad or good reports. If you are like me then I don't even care to report. I like my time here. But if you are like some huge reporters then the bad reports will be just a drop of the ocean.
legendary
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Yeah, duplicate reports are generally marked as bad.
Duplicate reports for all posts reported 2 or more times or do the moderators also check the reason for reporting? If I report a post for one reason, but then I realize it's wrong or might not be good enough to get the post deleted, I might find a second rule violation why the post could be deleted. If I report that post a second time, but explaining this other reason and maybe mentioning why the first report isn't sufficient, will my report still be marked as bad?
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Yeah, duplicate reports are generally marked as bad. I know, I've recently picked some up myself Cheesy. It's not a big deal, it happens from time to time. Unless, you're using an addon to keep track, you probably will make that mistake quite a few times.

Some might ask why are you even allowed to report the same post multiple times, but it has it's uses sometimes. For example, when you've discovered new information, and basically want to update it. You might still get a bad report for that, but at the end of the day that's a drop in the ocean.
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1. Just make sure you don't report something you have already reported.
Is there a repercussion if that happened?

If that happens the report will be marked as bad afaik.
Not a repercussion that matters, stll some don't like bad reports in their stats.
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1. Just make sure you don't report something you have already reported.
Is there a repercussion if that happened?

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I always thought mole0815 was appointed long before you LOL
I'm sure Flying Hellfish was the last mod added as the process that led to their employment was advertised. I guess that should be in 2019 or so, can't be sure of the date any more. I ain't sure mole0815 or Welsh got in after 2019. Well, sadly I don't know what became of the user. I haven't seen more of them online. I just checked their profile now and the dude was last active on July 13, 2021.
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Yeah, I do think a few opinions of prominent users carry more weight than they probably realise themselves. However, I do understand their point of view.

Maybe even more than you think, because these are the same people for whom the majority votes in the current competition. Unfortunately, advocating that the "ignore" button is a much better option than the "report to moderator" button sends a very clear message to everyone else who wonders if they are really wasting their time.
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If I am right then our latest addition was Welsh
I think it was mole0815 over in one of the local sections. I'm not sure of that, but I was appointed a few years ago now. I suspect there has been additions since then. Might be a few, not something I tend to keep track of though.
Time actually moves very fast. The time you were appointed as moderator which was known from some threads of-course, feels like only from yesterday. The forum members don't get much update about administrational activities (we don't need to as well) so we have no way to know unless anyone is checking status of moderators on different boards for their own interest.
I always thought mole0815 was appointed long before you LOL
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by contacting a mod that I know is active in a certain board. These are those situations where you know you have a good report, it is handled as such but is marked as bad, which is of course a mistake that can happen to anyone.
Absolutely, I've marked reports wrongly a few times. I usually contact the user that reported it, and explain to them that I've been an idiot.

As it is an exclusively voluntary activity, we cannot actually be in a position to be disappointed, but perhaps encourage others to use the "report to moderator" button a little more. Everyone has the right to their opinion, but some prominent members of this community have marked this activity as a waste of time, which must have had an impact on other members.
I don't think that's the case, ultimately you're giving your time to report something for the better of the community, if we've messed up on our end or you don't agree with it I'd like to hear it. Even, when we can't reach an agreement, it's nice to know what users think about x report.

Yeah, I do think a few opinions of prominent users carry more weight than they probably realise themselves. However, I do understand their point of view. Although, we aren't perfect, and there certainly could be more of us in particular sections of the forum, and I do think some of the concerns they bring up are valid. Ultimately though, the decision comes down to theymos on when we need more moderators, and when a particular issue becomes a big enough issue to decide to correct.
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The other thing; I've noticed some users getting a little disgruntled on getting bad reports or them staying unhandled. So, they've reduced their reporting activity, which is a shame. I do get why they would be frustrated by that, but it's not always that the report hasn't been seen it's just been chosen by those that have reviewed it that it was either bad or was better to stay unhandled.

I have had several such situations personally, but most of them are resolved after a public announcement or by contacting a mod that I know is active in a certain board. These are those situations where you know you have a good report, it is handled as such but is marked as bad, which is of course a mistake that can happen to anyone.

As it is an exclusively voluntary activity, we cannot actually be in a position to be disappointed, but perhaps encourage others to use the "report to moderator" button a little more. Everyone has the right to their opinion, but some prominent members of this community have marked this activity as a waste of time, which must have had an impact on other members.
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Yeah, I have those occasions, too, where I have to unwittingly pick up someone else's reports by nuking newbies. Especially a lot of such cases when the spamming starts in the form of topics with malware links. Well, I think there's nothing wrong with that, we're all doing the one thing Wink
As long as the malware is gone...

Don't worry Wink, there will always be spam as long as the forum exists. One spam ends (thanks to the reporters and moderators), another one appears. Ended (for now) malware spam, new spam appeared. Only registered newbies are posting PayWallet payment system ads. It is interesting that they write in Russian in English-language topics.
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I think it was mole0815 over in one of the local sections. I'm not sure of that, but I appointed a few years ago now. I suspect there has been additions since then. Might be a few, not something I tend to keep track of though.



@payment
That there is remuneration is no secret.
How the payment is composed, however, knows (in my opinion) only theymos.

But you can be sure that there is no one who creates reports with other accounts to profit from them.
And also in general we all do it to serve the cause and not to get rich. That is not possible through this activity.
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If I am right then our latest addition was Welsh
I think it was mole0815 over in one of the local sections. I'm not sure of that, but I was appointed a few years ago now. I suspect there has been additions since then. Might be a few, not something I tend to keep track of though.

There's no mystery : no report, no payment. But it's not always about money (ok I agree, that helps) (I speak for myself).
Right. Many of us were reporting for years for free before being selected. I did the majority of my reporting over a two year period I believe, but I was reporting fairly early on. I'd still be willing to moderate for free if the forum ever decided that's what's best, obviously the payment we recieve is greatly appreciated.
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