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Quote from: joker1313 on August 27, 2023, 10:42:18 PM

So i've been a trader since early 2017 and i have never seen such low volatility in market. Even at the time of 2018 bear run the things were quite slow but this time its totally different. It makes a move and consolidates for like a month or two now. Which was never the case in past.

Its possible that only i feel like that and other people still see it like the normal bitcoin trend. But there was fun every week in crypto before.

What do you guys think ?? Is it just me or some of you others feel the same??

And if it is like that then what do you all think when the wild ride start again like old days ??

compared to you, i'm still relatively new to the crypto world, i don't fully understand the movements of the crypto market in 2017 and 2018, but from various sources i read, in those years market manipulation occurred massively, pump - dump schemes were carried out a lot groups or token developers, apart from that bitcoin has really caught the world's attention so that people flock to buy it, this causes market demand for bitcoin to increase and the price is inevitable, in the future i'm not sure we will see a pump - dump scheme on altcoins but we will not be able to withstand bitcoin price volatility.

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I think as far as I know before 2018 have been good days for Bitcoin since then I have heard that there has been a flurry of volatility, but I think the volatility will settle down in the year ahead.One difference I can see in the present day from earlier days is that it is now established but earlier it was not so established, but the volatility was less and now it is established so So volatility is high, and it is normal that big things will have big problems.I think the fun was there before, it is still there, just the context is different, before maybe it seems more investment-wise, the risk of an injury was less, but now the competition is a more investment, little less, but it is situation According to the general procedure. I think good times will come later this year and years to come if you wait a patiently.The day that is gone may not come back, but it can definitely come back in a new form. Why is the present today the past?.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 20, 2023, 07:18:26 AM

Do what works for you. I guess every trader or investor usually has a strategy that they believe works well for them. While I was trading, I mostly traded altcoin, although when I traded Bitcoin, it was just once and was futures trading. If I get back to futures trading and make some profit, I will still invest a lot of my profit into Bitcoin. For now, I am only bent on accumulating Bitcoin on a DCA strategy, even if the goal is not to sell in the next bull market. But in the future, more bull markets will come, and there is hope to sell at a high price and still make a profit.

Are you seriously planning to accumulate Bitcoins now and hold them for a complete cycle and wait for the next bull run instead of the one that is about to come? That will take a lot of patience I must say, because a complete cycle means that you will keep holding through the bear market and then wait for the bull market to come, wouldn't it be better if you sell during the current bull run if the price goes significantly high and then buy again when the market crashes?

If I was accumulating Bitcoins through the DCA method right now when the market is relatively low, I would most probably sell them as high as I could during the bull run and then keep the stablecoins, wait for the bear market, and then buy again, who knows, I might get a better price then.

Going yourself to pass on possible bull runs along the way would really be not so easy considering that we do have that selling point that we do have in mind on which it would really be just so normal on having
impressions on setting out those selling points or taking profit because not all would really be having the patience on holding for long term or would really be talking about preference because there are ones who do love to see profits for short term and we know that we do have that 4year cycle on this market where it involves bear and bull sentiments on which it would really be just that common sense on when is the right time to accumulate and when is the right time to sell out your coins for profits. Majority of us do come here for the profit and on not the actual utility of those coins or projects that you are investing or even with Bitcoin. We are all here for the profits and this is why we are really that mindful in regarding about market conditions or simply with the volatility.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 20, 2023, 07:18:26 AM

Do what works for you. I guess every trader or investor usually has a strategy that they believe works well for them. While I was trading, I mostly traded altcoin, although when I traded Bitcoin, it was just once and was futures trading. If I get back to futures trading and make some profit, I will still invest a lot of my profit into Bitcoin. For now, I am only bent on accumulating Bitcoin on a DCA strategy, even if the goal is not to sell in the next bull market. But in the future, more bull markets will come, and there is hope to sell at a high price and still make a profit.

Are you seriously planning to accumulate Bitcoins now and hold them for a complete cycle and wait for the next bull run instead of the one that is about to come? That will take a lot of patience I must say, because a complete cycle means that you will keep holding through the bear market and then wait for the bull market to come, wouldn't it be better if you sell during the current bull run if the price goes significantly high and then buy again when the market crashes?

If I was accumulating Bitcoins through the DCA method right now when the market is relatively low, I would most probably sell them as high as I could during the bull run and then keep the stablecoins, wait for the bear market, and then buy again, who knows, I might get a better price then.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 20, 2023, 07:18:26 AM

Do what works for you. I guess every trader or investor usually has a strategy that they believe works well for them. While I was trading, I mostly traded altcoin, although when I traded Bitcoin, it was just once and was futures trading. If I get back to futures trading and make some profit, I will still invest a lot of my profit into Bitcoin. For now, I am only bent on accumulating Bitcoin on a DCA strategy, even if the goal is not to sell in the next bull market. But in the future, more bull markets will come, and there is hope to sell at a high price and still make a profit.

That is why it's so different from person to person when people use the same strategy. There are a lot of people who try to promote some strategy as the best, but they do not realize that its the best for them and its not the best in general. I feel like that should be pointed out very carefully. I know that you may end up finding something that would be important on the long run, but that doesn't mean that we are talking about something that would be different one way or another.

We should try to find something that would be best for us, and if we do, we should remember that it may not be the best for someone else and try to shut up about it. I am not saying do not share it, just do not claim that it is the best.

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Quote from: rozak on September 20, 2023, 11:31:54 PM

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2017 was a good bull market but 2018 was bearish and everything was slow. But now everything has changed and what was seen in the past is now seen and has changed completely. I can't say when the trend was the best but I like the current trend the best. Although 2018 was good but the volatility was less but now there is a lot of volatility that is why the old ones are not liking it. And people have lost a lot of interest due to this volatility but we should wait this year and be sure that the next bull market will come.

Some people actually like market situations with high volatility. especially those looking for short profits. Even though it is small, traders can use it in a rapidly changing market situation to make a profit.
On the other hand, when a decline occurs and the movement is quite slow, investors prefer to collect assets to prepare for when the bulls come. In any situation, I think everyone can look for benefits. it all depends on skills and understanding of the situation in the market. we can see that there is always an opportunity, but it is also accompanied by always a risk.

Therefore, there is a need for understanding in reading the market, so that high volatility can be faced calmly and ultimately lead to planned profits. The crypto market tends to fluctuate in price and for those who don't understand it, they will fall into defeat where haste and greed are the main obstacles in their defeat. During a bearish season like this time, it is better to collect lots of potential coins to hold onto until the bullish season comes

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Quote from: Bitcoin_people on September 20, 2023, 11:25:01 PM

2017 was a good bull market but 2018 was bearish and everything was slow. But now everything has changed and what was seen in the past is now seen and has changed completely. I can't say when the trend was the best but I like the current trend the best. Although 2018 was good but the volatility was less but now there is a lot of volatility that is why the old ones are not liking it. And people have lost a lot of interest due to this volatility but we should wait this year and be sure that the next bull market will come.

Some people actually like market situations with high volatility. especially those looking for short profits. Even though it is small, traders can use it in a rapidly changing market situation to make a profit.
On the other hand, when a decline occurs and the movement is quite slow, investors prefer to collect assets to prepare for when the bulls come. In any situation, I think everyone can look for benefits. it all depends on skills and understanding of the situation in the market. we can see that there is always an opportunity, but it is also accompanied by always a risk.

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Quote from: joker1313 on August 27, 2023, 10:42:18 PM

So i've been a trader since early 2017 and i have never seen such low volatility in market. Even at the time of 2018 bear run the things were quite slow but this time its totally different. It makes a move and consolidates for like a month or two now. Which was never the case in past.

Its possible that only i feel like that and other people still see it like the normal bitcoin trend. But there was fun every week in crypto before.

What do you guys think ?? Is it just me or some of you others feel the same??

And if it is like that then what do you all think when the wild ride start again like old days ??

2017 was a good bull market but 2018 was bearish and everything was slow. But now everything has changed and what was seen in the past is now seen and has changed completely. I can't say when the trend was the best but I like the current trend the best. Although 2018 was good but the volatility was less but now there is a lot of volatility that is why the old ones are not liking it. And people have lost a lot of interest due to this volatility but we should wait this year and be sure that the next bull market will come.

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Quote from: milewilda on September 19, 2023, 04:30:51 PM

Its not
something that would make out assurance that it would happen in the present or in the future. This is why it would be always ideal on making yourself that fully aware on things
so that you wont really be that disappointed if ever things go south.

As the volatility of the market will never change, I agree that just be aware of everything that happens in the market so that you're not putting something on your head that might even hurt you. Just think of these things as casually happening and if there are changes that will happen, they're all about the market's reaction to every situation that we're having. Things in the past few years might not be the same anymore but this is still the market that we used to live on and changes do come once in a while and we just have to like and live with it.

Yes, to be honest we are on the same line every season in every cycle, but what differentiates it is the pressure and events, talking about volatile markets in my opinion it is the same thing every cycle, there is not the slightest strangeness, if you look at the movement candles almost the same as the previous cycle or the signs suggest there are similarities, for example 2023 and 2019.

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on September 16, 2023, 09:14:56 AM

So far I have been quite successful in adding to the Bitcoin I hold. I actually have different allocations of Bitcoins that I hold and that I trade. for the ones I trade, I allocate a fixed amount. while I will withdraw the profits to a different wallet where I hold them.
Actually, I don't need to be afraid of the market situation, because I observe it. I'm not a day trader who has to push myself to make a profit. That doesn't mean I've never lost in trading. but I carefully choose the moment to trade.

Do what works for you. I guess every trader or investor usually has a strategy that they believe works well for them. While I was trading, I mostly traded altcoin, although when I traded Bitcoin, it was just once and was futures trading. If I get back to futures trading and make some profit, I will still invest a lot of my profit into Bitcoin. For now, I am only bent on accumulating Bitcoin on a DCA strategy, even if the goal is not to sell in the next bull market. But in the future, more bull markets will come, and there is hope to sell at a high price and still make a profit.

Everyone has their own way of trading, and it is true that everyone must have their own way of making a trading strategy, because this depends on a person's character and comfort in trading, whether in altcoins or bitcoin in market situations.
I want to give you a little advice, it's better to sell the bitcoin you have when a new ATH is formed, then what is certain to happen is that the bearish season will come again, so from the sales you can buy more bitcoin in the next bearish season, I think that is the smartest move to accumulate more bitcoins.

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on September 16, 2023, 09:14:56 AM

So far I have been quite successful in adding to the Bitcoin I hold. I actually have different allocations of Bitcoins that I hold and that I trade. for the ones I trade, I allocate a fixed amount. while I will withdraw the profits to a different wallet where I hold them.
Actually, I don't need to be afraid of the market situation, because I observe it. I'm not a day trader who has to push myself to make a profit. That doesn't mean I've never lost in trading. but I carefully choose the moment to trade.

Do what works for you. I guess every trader or investor usually has a strategy that they believe works well for them. While I was trading, I mostly traded altcoin, although when I traded Bitcoin, it was just once and was futures trading. If I get back to futures trading and make some profit, I will still invest a lot of my profit into Bitcoin. For now, I am only bent on accumulating Bitcoin on a DCA strategy, even if the goal is not to sell in the next bull market. But in the future, more bull markets will come, and there is hope to sell at a high price and still make a profit.

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Quote from: milewilda on September 19, 2023, 04:30:51 PM

Its not
something that would make out assurance that it would happen in the present or in the future. This is why it would be always ideal on making yourself that fully aware on things
so that you wont really be that disappointed if ever things go south.

As the volatility of the market will never change, I agree that just be aware of everything that happens in the market so that you're not putting something on your head that might even hurt you. Just think of these things as casually happening and if there are changes that will happen, they're all about the market's reaction to every situation that we're having. Things in the past few years might not be the same anymore but this is still the market that we used to live on and changes do come once in a while and we just have to like and live with it.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on September 17, 2023, 04:33:35 PM

People had already learned how to hold, unlike before that is why the volatility trend has changed. But is see this gonna happen because people's mindsets and behaviors have gradually changed as well. Unfortunately, this is not good for day trading where they used to take benefit of the volatility of the market. However, this is not the thing that makes us think that crypto has changed totally but in this time, it teaches us how to hold and become strong. Indeed, bull season will come but if we are impatient, selling can possibly done earlier.

Enduring and patiently holding on only applies to those who believe and are able to manage their emotions to achieve the ultimate goal at the price to be achieved.
See how the market is currently, experiencing a fairly long bearish period from Early August to September.

The price of bitcoin still continues to decline and makes some people panic will selling their holdings because they cannot stand or lack patience.

The bull season is just a matter of time and it will be owned by those who are able to survive the rigors of this bear market.
Having a reserve fund will give you the advantage to buy again.

We just need to prepare for the upcoming bull season, and collect more Bitcoin and altcoins that have potential in bullish times.
That will provide more and more benefits.

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Quote from: joker1313 on September 15, 2023, 10:46:42 AM

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on September 10, 2023, 07:47:34 AM

I personally just prepare my Bitcoins, and trade to increase the quantity of Bitcoins I have.

With such a strategy, have you been increasing your holdings that way? It is not usually very profitable to trade Bitcoin in a position for a short-term profit; not that it's absolutely not profitable, but in some market situations, it's usually very difficult for you to make decisions that might cause you to sell at a loss, believing that the price will fall and you will buy back. But if it's been a working strategy for you, then you can continue, although having to use all your holdings to perform the trade is kind of risky. For example, if you have, say, 0.4 BTC, at least you can divide it and use half.

He basically meant he is holding up BTC and just keeping an eye for potential altcoins. Dont think he is a regular trader to catch market moves on a daily basis.

Each person does have different approach or handling when it comes into their portfolio on which this would really be the ff;

1. Having long term bags and accumulating Bitcoin solely
2. Having long term bag on BTC but making some partitions on making short trades on BTC
3. Long term/Moonbag hold of Alts
4. Short term trading with alts

Its always advisable that you should have at least that available funds which in case the market would really be making out some dumping movement then you could really be easily
be able to accumulate or having the chance on buying cheap and this would really be a huge advantage i should say compared to those who do have limited funds
but of course not everyone does have that kind of financial capability and this is the reason on why we are missing tons of opportunities that this market gives
but well this is really just that part on what you would really be able to experience on this market.

Agreed on the facts. Long term bags for BTC and potential alt coins is the best strategy in the market. I initially started as an investor in BTC and trust me that was the major profit i made without any headaches.

Wont really be having those headaches as long you do able to make yourself that limiting that investment because we know that there's no such thing about guarantee if we do speak about investment because risks would always be lying out with this thing where possible crashes and pumps could happen depending on the market demand. We know that crypto market is really that volatile and it would really be just that right on having that good approach even though its speculative but it would be ideal that making up some analysis would be always be having the advantage. Always set Plan B's because if you do find yourself not prepared then you would definitely get shocked on how this market moves. Also, dont make yourself stick out into that basic principle about relying into those past events on trying out to reflect on what would happen in the future.Its not
something that would make out assurance that it would happen in the present or in the future. This is why it would be always ideal on making yourself that fully aware on things
so that you wont really be that disappointed if ever things go south.

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Quote from: jossiel on September 16, 2023, 03:18:23 AM

Well, things are truly different this time.

Although there's still some glimpse of the past and trend and how the market moved but, things do change for the crypto market whether you're a trader, an investor or just a speculator.

And there is one thing for sure that we're going to see and that's another trend shall pass and people will be hyped again but what could that be?

As for me, I don't think there are many things that have changed. If it's about the volatility which seems low right now, I think this wasn't new but if I'm not mistaken, we already experienced the same scenario on the past. Maybe you guys only forget it, or some of you are not yet here in crypto. History does repeats itself and so as here in crypto.

This is why a lot of users are basing their analysis on it to possibly predict if what will be the value of cryptos later on. So many trends have already passed. Some are still there but they are not as hyped as before. Maybe some trends are obvious to occur but some are unexpected, and if what are those we shall only wait and see.

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Quote from: gunhell16 on September 16, 2023, 11:18:46 AM

It's just that in these instances, the majority of the holders today are locked in positions due to the upcoming Bitcoin halving next year, and in just a few months, things will happen that for sure the community here does not expect. By the way, you know that Bitcoin is full of surprises.

People had already learned how to hold, unlike before that is why the volatility trend has changed. But is see this gonna happen because people's mindsets and behaviors have gradually changed as well. Unfortunately, this is not good for day trading where they used to take benefit of the volatility of the market. However, this is not the thing that makes us think that crypto has changed totally but in this time, it teaches us how to hold and become strong. Indeed, bull season will come but if we are impatient, selling can possibly done earlier.

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As a rule, a volatility contraction resembles a compressed spring. At any moment there can be a burst of activity and increased interest. The main thing is to be able to withstand the pause, and also try not to buy assets that have already increased in price. Decrease in volatility is also a period of careful preparation for active actions

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Quote from: Quidat on September 16, 2023, 04:59:19 PM

Quote from: jossiel on September 16, 2023, 03:18:23 AM

Well, things are truly different this time.

Although there's still some glimpse of the past and trend and how the market moved but, things do change for the crypto market whether you're a trader, an investor or just a speculator.

And there is one thing for sure that we're going to see and that's another trend shall pass and people will be hyped again but what could that be?

People would really be never be able to deny on what are those things that happened on previous years on which they would really be always a fan on trying to reflect out and trying to see if there are some patterns which they could possibly be able to make use.Volatility is never been predictable in the first place, we might be able to see some similarities but doesnt mean that it would definitely happen in the future.This is why people would really be continuing on trying out to mix analysis basing up on fundamentals+ technical just for them to be able to have at least the idea on where prices could possibly be hit up.

Combining that two gives everyone the idea on how the market will react.

But as said that many of them won't be as accurate as always even if you put them with a lot of it for so many times. And this market is all about that, test and mixtures of strategies.

Since no one can be against with volatility but you have to do your own thing for you to take advantage or go along with it.

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Since you are an old investor and have a lot of experience about your market. When you trade and invest, you know how profitable it will be, and you have a good idea of when the bear market will start. When you started trading, all the markets including Bitcoin were very volatile and dumping. You don't have to worry now that the market was dumping because it's already pumping more than ever and will change more in the future. As you are an old investor, and you need to be patient enough, you can trade profitably and earn profits. When you invest from bear market, you must wait till bull market and be patient so that you can get good profit from it.

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Quote from: jossiel on September 16, 2023, 03:18:23 AM

Well, things are truly different this time.

Although there's still some glimpse of the past and trend and how the market moved but, things do change for the crypto market whether you're a trader, an investor or just a speculator.

And there is one thing for sure that we're going to see and that's another trend shall pass and people will be hyped again but what could that be?

People would really be never be able to deny on what are those things that happened on previous years on which they would really be always a fan on trying to reflect out and trying to see if there are some patterns which they could possibly be able to make use.Volatility is never been predictable in the first place, we might be able to see some similarities but doesnt mean that it would definitely happen in the future.This is why people would really be continuing on trying out to mix analysis basing up on fundamentals+ technical just for them to be able to have at least the idea on where prices could possibly be hit up.

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You know, regardless of what happened in the past and what is happening now, in my opinion, things are just going round and round. There is only innovation because of the technology that we are experiencing, so there is a change happening in the market regarding Bitcoin. I also think that we can no longer separate or remove the volatility of Bitcoin from the market because it is also the basis of trading for investors or holders so that they can also make money.

It's just that in these instances, the majority of the holders today are locked in positions due to the upcoming Bitcoin halving next year, and in just a few months, things will happen that for sure the community here does not expect. By the way, you know that Bitcoin is full of surprises.

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