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legendary
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I like conspiracy theories as much as the next guy

The mystery surrounding bitcoin creation is coded in mystery and secrecy. All is conspiracy theorem

WHAT'S.
THE.
CRIME.


you're saying that writing the Bitcoin source code was a secret criminal act, what is the crime?



Please.

Stop using the word "conspiracy", you do not know what it means
copper member
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The mystery surrounding bitcoin creation is coded in mystery and secrecy. All is conspiracy theorem, every national government has been looking for Satoshi, and some persons trying to gain public relevance says they are Satoshi. Anyone/body/group/agent could have created the bitcoin.
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What if Bitcoin was actually created by the CIA, or FBI, US Military to gather some intelligence? This weird imagination has been lingering in my brain because Bitcoin has all the signatures of what the USA Intelligence can create, Similar to the way they have created things in the past.

1. No one has ever created something as big and enormous as Bitcoin and chooses to remain anonymous. The temptation is always too strong for a mortal human being to resist.

2. I am of the opinion that Bitcoin is too complex to be the handwork of one man or few persons. And how it was quickly accepted and distributed shows the evidence of complex and thorough planning, too thorough, and too complex to fit into one brain Roll Eyes

3. How the founders identities were carefully concealed from beginning to the end, without any trace. You will agree with me that only intelligence professional can achieve that level of privacy and anonymity.

And you know, they won't make noise about it until they have gathered enough intelligence. Or may never say anything about it forever, just using it secretly for their purpose. What do you think? Have you ever reasoned in this direction?

I like conspiracy theories as much as the next guy, however, there are some ways to explain most of the points you have made. For example, what if Satoshi remains anonymous because he is dead? A lot of people do believe that this might be the case. Also, you might be right that Satoshi has intelligence-related background, but maybe he is a former CIA employee or something? As for Bitcoin being too complex for one guy or a few people to think of, that might not be the case. Maybe they were just a competent developer with a lot of spare time (such as a retired intelligence agent) who went through a lot of work to develop it, test it, and alike? I mean, that is not a new theory, but all we can do is guess, and nobody knows for certain except for those who DO know.
legendary
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First of all, the code for Bitcoin is Opensource, so there are not a lot of things that can be hidden in the code that has not been revealed already. Second of all, this technology are not controlled by a government agency and are spread over 1000's of nodes and this should already show you that it was not a technology that was created by the CIA or FBI, because they would create a technology that would be centralized and something that would not have been transparent and accessible to the public.  Wink

Bitcoin is a Pandora's box of goodies that was released onto the Internet for everyone to use and decisions are made with the participation of the public with open consensus.  Grin
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What if Bitcoin was actually created by the CIA, or FBI, US Military to gather some intelligence? This weird imagination has been lingering in my brain because Bitcoin has all the signatures of what the USA Intelligence can create, Similar to the way they have created things in the past.

1. No one has ever created something as big and enormous as Bitcoin and chooses to remain anonymous. The temptation is always too strong for a mortal human being to resist.

2. I am of the opinion that Bitcoin is too complex to be the handwork of one man or few persons. And how it was quickly accepted and distributed shows the evidence of complex and thorough planning, too thorough, and too complex to fit into one brain Roll Eyes

3. How the founders identities were carefully concealed from beginning to the end, without any trace. You will agree with me that only intelligence professional can achieve that level of privacy and anonymity.

And you know, they won't make noise about it until they have gathered enough intelligence. Or may never say anything about it forever, just using it secretly for their purpose. What do you think? Have you ever reasoned in this direction?

This  Your  opinion has  on my mind  for years. but Satoshi Nakamoto  might be  a group of people from United  State army or  CIA ,  I always asked my self How  satoshi just  disappear  without a  trace.  But  We have understand   that   they  knew  from the beginning they  are  going to  disappear  so they  did every  possible to clear  their their  path.  But we  have  remember  there  is  no way you can hide the  secret  forever  i know   someone will reveal  the truth if  bitcoin was created  by CIA. There  is a lot of  people like Edward Snowden in CIA to  reveal that truth.
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What if Bitcoin was actually created by the CIA, or FBI, US Military to gather some intelligence? This weird imagination has been lingering in my brain because Bitcoin has all the signatures of what the USA Intelligence can create, Similar to the way they have created things in the past.

1. No one has ever created something as big and enormous as Bitcoin and chooses to remain anonymous. The temptation is always too strong for a mortal human being to resist.

2. I am of the opinion that Bitcoin is too complex to be the handwork of one man or few persons. And how it was quickly accepted and distributed shows the evidence of complex and thorough planning, too thorough, and too complex to fit into one brain Roll Eyes

3. How the founders identities were carefully concealed from beginning to the end, without any trace. You will agree with me that only intelligence professional can achieve that level of privacy and anonymity.

And you know, they won't make noise about it until they have gathered enough intelligence. Or may never say anything about it forever, just using it secretly for their purpose. What do you think? Have you ever reasoned in this direction?

Answer to 1, bitcoin could potentially uproot the foundatin of USD, making it a threat to the control of the government towards the financial market. This marks the crwator of bitcoin as a high priority target to decrease the popularity of the coins and also because it was his invention. I'd choose to go anonymous no matter how much fame it could give me if it could potentially be a threat to my life.
2. You underestimate humans mate. Although rarely, some humans can exhibit a lot of their potential and create impossible things for their current era. Just look at the past inventors of different things. If you were living in their era, you'd also think all of their inventions were impossible to make.
3. Well seeing that they made bitcoin, anonymity should rather be easy to adopt. And bitcoin only caused an uproar a few years back where as the founder already chose to be anonymous right from the start.
sr. member
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I think the idea is ridiculous! I personally don't believe in this conspiracy theory for just one reason alone - "the U.S. Government will not make a hammer and use it to hit its head"!

I mean, why would the U.S. create something that might someday render  its mighty U.S. dollar obsolete? and could eventually destroy its economy and its economic influence all over the world? In short, they will protect the status of U.S. dollar as an international currency and maintain its status quo as possibly as they can.Imho.
sr. member
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What if we start quitting all these conspiracy theories that repeatedly come out?

What if we try to trace the dots and begin to realize that the CIA, FBI, US military are committing a suicide if they actually invented Bitcoin?

What if we begin to promote, understand, and use Bitcoin more rather than indulge in futile speculations?
hero member
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What if Bitcoin was actually created by the CIA, or FBI, US Military to gather some intelligence? This weird imagination has been lingering in my brain because Bitcoin has all the signatures of what the USA Intelligence can create, Similar to the way they have created things in the past.


Wait, are you thinking the CIA, the FBI, or the US Army used bitcointalk? did they keep typing in the bitcointalk forum? satoshi attended this forum for a while, and I don't see the CIA, the FBI or the US army chatting in a forum. Another thing, you are underestimating people's intelligence, a single person could be able to create bitcoin, we can't underestimate people. As for staying anonymous, he may have been scared at first and then died without anyone knowing he created bitcoin

If for any reason the CIA,FBI, or the US Army are the founders of btc to gather information about users do you think they really need to be in this forum to chat? No they don't have to, they already have a technology that gives them all the information they need, so whether they are active in forum or not does not really matter, between you don't even know who satoshi is, a member of the CIA, FBI or US Army you can't tell,

Everyone has their on perception on what they think btc is and how it originated, the fact no one see to know who the creator is leaves people to come up with different attributes,

My question  is, If the us government are part of this then why are they so against it? Is that just an act to divert people's attention?

Maybe because of the complex nature of btc that is why who ever created btc (group or an individual) chose to remain anonymous, the pressure will be much to handle.
hero member
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This sounds like of those conspiracy theories again. It's pretty unlikely the government would ever make something like this, because they wouldn't be able to control it, even if they did create Bitcoin.

Satoshi went to great depths to protect his ID and that's why it's so successful, not because of other factors.

Bitcoin isn't the work of one many, there are a lot of developers that worked and still work on it to this day.

Interesting theory though.
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What if Bitcoin was actually created by the CIA, or FBI, US Military to gather some intelligence? This weird imagination has been lingering in my brain because Bitcoin has all the signatures of what the USA Intelligence can create, Similar to the way they have created things in the past.

1. No one has ever created something as big and enormous as Bitcoin and chooses to remain anonymous. The temptation is always too strong for a mortal human being to resist.

2. I am of the opinion that Bitcoin is too complex to be the handwork of one man or few persons. And how it was quickly accepted and distributed shows the evidence of complex and thorough planning, too thorough, and too complex to fit into one brain Roll Eyes

3. How the founders identities were carefully concealed from beginning to the end, without any trace. You will agree with me that only intelligence professional can achieve that level of privacy and anonymity.

And you know, they won't make noise about it until they have gathered enough intelligence. Or may never say anything about it forever, just using it secretly for their purpose. What do you think? Have you ever reasoned in this direction?

I think if bitcoin was created by fbi,cia or us military, the bitcoin will be regulated assuming that it is still decentralized. Since the government has the control over the military, then bitcoin will still be holded by the government. Any wrong actions or against the law will be penalized.
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Im not sure that FBI or anyone from the government would create something that cant be controlled, or cant be manipulated easily. So the chances of bitcoin being created by them is very low, i would say.
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Let's say the FBI created bitcoin. And what? What difference does it make to you? How do you suffer from this?If bitcoin was created by the government everything would still be anonymous and none of us would know about its existence.I am categorically against this theory.
hero member
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There has been so many what if that has surrounded the establishment of bitcoin, and we have the right to think whatever we want to think out of curiosity, but I really doubt if there is any involvement of those agencies that you mentioned there, because there is no way they can operate without the support of government, and even if it is a covert operation, government would do everything possible to silently support it so that the system can become accepted as soon as possible for them to achieve a better result.

You can see how American government has fought crypto to some extent and trump even followed that up when he twitter a negative comment about bitcoin being for the lawless people and then discredit the project.
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I don't think FBI or CIA has created bitcoin. Because it is already proved that no one has control over bitcoin transactions and it is anonymous and decentralized. Why should they create bitcoin? Why should they provide a system that allow people make peer to peer and anonymous transactions?
FBI or CIA has not created bitcoin. But I doubt they don't know the creator of bitcoin. They have likely have tried to find the creator of bitcoin and they might have found the creator. They might know some secrets that we are not aware of them. They might know Satoshi Nakamoto.
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> without any trace.

The us govt does not know who did it.
With what they can do they should know, and they don't.
That is a clue.
No way they could steal from satoshi if they don't know who he is.
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There is nothing to discuss big on this, what if CIA or FBI has created it. Are they gonna threaten us, this is simply unwanted discussion. What we have got is an advancing technology, nothing to correlate with CIA, FBI or Military. Only thing is that governments might keep everyone under their control same as the banking system does at present.
I think you were right since no one could prove that a person from the government could create something that they can't control. Government are so obsessed of taking something that does owned by the people because they have the power to take it while in bitcoin we sure do know that there isn't a single trace of any government entities so far.
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I want to marrry bitcoin and make few satoshis


I think bitcoin was maked by someone who got fucked from the system and gouvremnet and he think how i can fucl the whole corrupt finance system

Than camw a alien an whisper him the idea of bitcoin this is my history
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   Look lets pretend that  multiple agencies from multiple governments did it. As they thought it would be a way to trace criminal movement of wealth via blockchain transactions.  We have had enough value move around the world for governments to start moving against criminal activity on blockchains.


Now if you bother to check the listed addresses 'discovered" by one government and listed to have been tainted it is a really short list  11 or 12 addresses with well under 10,000 coins that passed through them.   It seems to me if this list had 100000 addresses that had a few million coins in them it would have all been a multi governmental plot.  But the list is really short.  Kind of makes it look like it was not made to capture drug dealer/terrorist/etc money and wealth


does this seem to be a problem to anyone but me?

https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/OFAC-Enforcement/Pages/20190821.aspx

quote from above:

 "The following individuals have been added to OFAC's SDN List:
 
YAN, Xiaobing (Chinese Traditional: 顏曉兵; Chinese Simplified: 颜晓兵) (a.k.a. "YAN, Steven"; a.k.a. "ZHOU, William"), Wuhan, Hubei, China (Chinese Simplified: 武汉市, 湖北省, China; Chinese Traditional: 武漢市, 湖北省, China); DOB 25 Mar 1977; POB Wuhan City, Hubei, China; citizen China; Gender Male; Digital Currency Address - XBT 12QtD5BFwRsdNsAZY76UVE1xyCGNTojH9h; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 1Kuf2Rd8mDyAViwBozGTNYnvWL8uYFrkVo; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 13f59kUM5FU8MfTG7DCEugYarDhSD7XCoC; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 1P3ZfGFLezzYGg9k5SVzQmnjyh7nrUmF2y; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 1EpMiZkQVekM5ij12nMiEwttFPcDK9XhX6; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 1JREJdZupiFhE7ZzQPtASuMCvvpXC7wRsC; Chinese Commercial Code 7346 2556 0365; Citizen's Card Number 421002197703250019 (China) (individual) [SDNTK].
 
ZHENG, Fujing (Chinese Simplified: 郑福景; Chinese Traditional: 鄭福景) (a.k.a. "DENG, Gao"; a.k.a. "JIN, Gordon"; a.k.a. "ZHENG, Gordon"); DOB 11 Jun 1983; POB China; nationality China; citizen China; Email Address [email protected]; alt. Email Address [email protected]; alt. Email Address [email protected]; alt. Email Address [email protected]; alt. Email Address [email protected]; alt. Email Address [email protected]; Gender Male; Digital Currency Address - XBT 17ezuJoT3XBbdcwFZbkTnrXbup11F4uhiy; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 1DH2xDH7TngrDU6LXciprKCBKNcPA1xX8A; Passport G31920875 (China) issued 24 Oct 2008 expires 23 Oct 2018; Identification Number 310107198306111336 (China); Chinese Commercial Code 6774 4395 2529 (individual) [SDNTK].
 
ZHENG, Guanghua (Chinese Traditional: 鄭广華; Chinese Simplified: 郑广华); DOB 04 Nov 1955; POB Shanghai, China; nationality China; citizen China; Email Address [email protected]; alt. Email Address [email protected]; Gender Male; Digital Currency Address - XBT 33Kja69SQVc8kozpoP7Qw6HFtGxHkiWzTz; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 3MkUNScqf21EcfWq6T4x2MFgBeSTqhB5t6; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 18uKfaUjgG52rVeXEi3wxnveww7zZuECtE; Digital Currency Address - LTC LaizKtS5DUhPuP1nTQcc83MS7HwK6vk85z; Passport E51809923 (China) issued 25 May 2015 expires 24 May 2025; Identification Number 310108195511041616 (China); Chinese Commercial Code 6774 1639 5478 (individual) [SDNTK].
 
The following entities have been added to OFAC's SDN List:
 
QINSHENG PHARMACEUTICAL TECHNOLOGY CO., LTD. (a.k.a. SHANGHAI QINSHENG PHARMACEUTICAL SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY CO., LTD.; a.k.a. SHANGHAI QINSHENG PHARMACEUTICAL SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY CO., LTD.; a.k.a. SHANGHAI QINSHENG PHARMACEUTICAL TECHNOLOGY CO., LTD.), Room 614, Floor 3, No. 1, Alley 468, New Siping Highway, Shanghai 201413, China; Room 614, Floor 3, Block 1, Lane 468, Xinsiping Highway, Fengxian District, Shanghai, China; Website www.qinvictory.com [SDNTK].
 
ZHENG DRUG TRAFFICKING ORGANIZATION, Shanghai, China; Website www.globalrc.net; alt. Website www.goldenrc.com; alt. Website www.toplabrc.com; Email Address [email protected]; alt. Email Address [email protected]; alt. Email Address [email protected]; alt. Email Address [email protected] [SDNTK].
 
 
 
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legendary
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What if Bitcoin was actually created by the CIA, or FBI, US Military to gather some intelligence? This weird imagination has been lingering in my brain because Bitcoin has all the signatures of what the USA Intelligence can create, Similar to the way they have created things in the past.

1. No one has ever created something as big and enormous as Bitcoin and chooses to remain anonymous. The temptation is always too strong for a mortal human being to resist.

2. I am of the opinion that Bitcoin is too complex to be the handwork of one man or few persons. And how it was quickly accepted and distributed shows the evidence of complex and thorough planning, too thorough, and too complex to fit into one brain Roll Eyes

3. How the founders identities were carefully concealed from beginning to the end, without any trace. You will agree with me that only intelligence professional can achieve that level of privacy and anonymity.

And you know, they won't make noise about it until they have gathered enough intelligence. Or may never say anything about it forever, just using it secretly for their purpose. What do you think? Have you ever reasoned in this direction?

I would say who cares, its Free and Open Source Software. Just like TOR, made by the US Navy, or SELinux by the NSA.

I doubt they would be able to justify it unlike the aforementioned projects. Tor was needed for operatives secure communications behind enemy lines, and SELinux to secure computers used by all agencies. What would they justify something like Bitcoin for?

I doubt they are involved, even if the maker (or group) might actually work for any of them. Cypherpunks are actually associated with the NSA, even if they deny it some of the best cryptographers are in there (the NSA) and they often recruit brilliant people.

In any case it doesn't matter. You have the source, if you suspect something, audit it.
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