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Quote from: tokeweed on October 13, 2018, 06:16:54 AM

I know this thread is full of people who haven't played a single hand of poker just by reading all the replies... C'mon guys... It's obvious.

Anyway, poker is a game of adjustment and readjustment aka 'leveling'. The more history you have with your opponent, the more you'd, more or less, know the adjustments to make. And it gets quite complicated as you'll find out that the more you know, the more you don't know...

Probably some people just think they are already playing poker when they play it in a game app, but in reality, the pain of losing and the strategic thinking, on the spot games, the competitive games are different.

I know that you could improve your chances in beating your opponent just by watching them, on replays, or what I do is sometimes imitate the plays of pro players only by knowing what they would do in a specific scenario. It's not necessarily the same gameplay since it would be impossible, but the chances of having good plays would be higher.

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I know this thread is full of people who haven't played a single hand of poker just by reading all the replies... C'mon guys... It's obvious.

Anyway, poker is a game of adjustment and readjustment aka 'leveling'. The more history you have with your opponent, the more you'd, more or less, know the adjustments to make. And it gets quite complicated as you'll find out that the more you know, the more you don't know...

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Quote from: Supercrypt on October 12, 2018, 01:49:23 PM

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I would say poker has a lot of things to do with how a player can actually end up making an opponent to think what they want them to think to their own favor but it still takes a whole lot of skills to still be able to do it right. Personally I would prefer playing with only good cards as that at least would even give you a better chance but we all know everything is basically more like a game of luck anyway, so one way or the other, it is how lucky you are that would determine if you will be leaving the table with an empty pocket or a full one.

Everyone would prefer having good cads always but we can't expect that happening every time you play. I myself tried this strategy(no bluffing at all) several times and came to conclusion that in most cases you lose with it eventually. Aggressive players would wipe you off the table pretty quickly if you were not acting accordingly. It's not only about bluffing from your side, but also about feeling that someone else is bluffing and that you can win having just a pair of Kings after the river card is revealed.

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Bluffing with good cards Grin

you can act like you are not sure in your cards and only reply on bets of other people who will raise the bet thinking that you are weak, but in the final you are going to have all.

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Quote from: STT on October 12, 2018, 04:30:56 AM

Im not sure a profit occurs so often without bluffing some and of course you dont know the oppositions cards so theres always going to be guessing as to if the position is strong enough anyway. Isnt it always the case that your good cards is only relative to the other players, so its impossible to judge precisely.

As it is, it is always mostly about playing with each other's mind if I am correct. I have never played poker myself though, but I have read few things about it, and from the look of things if I am to play poker actually, I would prefer to be having a strong hand when it comes to the card I am holding than to be relying on bluffs that could backfire eventually. One way or the other, the both of them will always get to come in handy as it would give you an edge when you are actually being dealt good cards at the end. Even if you have to bluff at all, you need to be able to know when to be going ahead with it.

Quote from: Symphonized on October 11, 2018, 05:42:50 PM

Sometimes bluffing is also a good strategy for specific high risk moments when there are high stakes on the table or to provide more strong looks against oponents.

I would say poker has a lot of things to do with how a player can actually end up making an opponent to think what they want them to think to their own favor but it still takes a whole lot of skills to still be able to do it right. Personally I would prefer playing with only good cards as that at least would even give you a better chance but we all know everything is basically more like a game of luck anyway, so one way or the other, it is how lucky you are that would determine if you will be leaving the table with an empty pocket or a full one.

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Quote from: crwth on August 18, 2018, 03:50:49 AM

I think it’s also dependent in your opponents. If you feel like they are easy to bluff, why not? Into believing that you really have great cards. It’s definitely a gamble all right, especially before the flop. It’s crazy when people do that.

I am not the type of player that really depends on bluffing other players. I'd rather stay quiet in games but there are some times that you really need to use bluffing especially if you are in a moment that don't have a great a position to be quiet.

So I guess it is really important to use both since it is both effective to win your poker games. Bluffing is a great way to pressure your opponents and it is usually effective as playing with good cards.

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Im not sure a profit occurs so often without bluffing some and of course you dont know the oppositions cards so theres always going to be guessing as to if the position is strong enough anyway. Isnt it always the case that your good cards is only relative to the other players, so its impossible to judge precisely.

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Quote from: kurian on October 11, 2018, 01:46:53 PM

Quote from: Wete on October 10, 2018, 10:09:12 AM

I really like poker, bluffing to shake the opponent's mentality is the art of poker in my opinion Grin

. We can combine, sometimes we bully, sometimes we hold it, feeling we have to be good at playing poker, don't let the opponent read our tricks, but we must be able to read their tricks. Once again I really like poker.

Poker is a skill based game and it's tricky when we have to observe everyone on the table. Bluffing too often is not good player strategy. We have to know when to do it and we do it at the right time. For me, poker is not favourite game of mine.

Sometimes bluffing is also a good strategy for specific high risk moments when there are high stakes on the table or to provide more strong looks against oponents.

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Well gambling legends are already able to estimate the frequency to which their hand is likely to be beaten, in the end, having the best cards enables you to win more frequently with a no bluff strategy, but you can definitely bluff your way to a win if you get a few favorable positions to do so.

Personally, I tend to play a mixture of both, bluff when I have a good opportunity into a set I know the opponent doesn't have.

For those that are interested, there are actually mathematically opportune moments to bluff if certain cards come down on the flop, turn and river, if you memorize the combinations and number of players at the table and compare it to the charts you'll be able to determine if you have an ample opportunity to bluff.

See this for more information - https://www.cardschat.com/bluffing.php

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Quote from: Wete on October 10, 2018, 10:09:12 AM

I really like poker, bluffing to shake the opponent's mentality is the art of poker in my opinion Grin

. We can combine, sometimes we bully, sometimes we hold it, feeling we have to be good at playing poker, don't let the opponent read our tricks, but we must be able to read their tricks. Once again I really like poker.

Poker is a skill based game and it's tricky when we have to observe everyone on the table. Bluffing too often is not good player strategy. We have to know when to do it and we do it at the right time. For me, poker is not favourite game of mine.

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I love to play poker, especially in tournaments with a lot of participants, and I prefer the following strategy. When the bets are low in the very beginning I bluff all the time risking up to 25% of my bankroll. Sometimes I win and other times I lose and thus people at the table can see I was bluffing. Then when blinds are higher I make it look like I'm off-line if I have a bad hand, and with a good hand I play behaving as before when I was bluffing. Some people are folding anyway but some go all-in and I win big. Of course it depends on luck in the end because you can think that you are having the best hand with Full House and yet lose to someone with 4 of a Kind.

And one more thing which is important. You should never use one strategy all the time. You should have several of them and mix them unpredictably. If it was my only strategy I wouldn't make this post. Actually no poker player would do that.

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I really like poker, bluffing to shake the opponent's mentality is the art of poker in my opinion Grin

. We can combine, sometimes we bully, sometimes we hold it, feeling we have to be good at playing poker, don't let the opponent read our tricks, but we must be able to read their tricks. Once again I really like poker.

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Quote from: kryptqnick on July 29, 2018, 05:26:54 AM

I've been watching some poker tournaments with Antonius, Negreanu and Cates lately. Most of the time the person with better combination actually wins, but there occur some great bluffs from time to time as well. Do you think it is better to fold if you don't have at least one high card in a pair or two cards of the same suit? Is it worth to try out overbetting tricks when you really have shitty cards? When I tried playing poker, overbetting usually made me fold, because it is a hard psychological attack for me and I am not the kind of a person that is willing to risk a lot. But I am bad at poker. What is your opinion on this matter?

In my own personal opinion, it is better in playing poler if you are good in bluffing your opponents than having a good cards because even you don't have a good card you can pretend that you have a good card for you to win in the game.

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I think it’s also dependent in your opponents. If you feel like they are easy to bluff, why not? Into believing that you really have great cards. It’s definitely a gamble all right, especially before the flop. It’s crazy when people do that.

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Quote from: Symphonized on August 16, 2018, 03:30:58 PM

I would go for both in different ocasions Cheesy

Bluffing when you know it will work out more then just a regular cards playing with hands.

Likewise, as I've said that this is a very situational decision making that you can bluff if you have the guts or you are about experimenting on how tough the other hands are. But if one bite your bait, you can have an idea on how weak he is and scared when you are bluffing.

Just don't show it to the others on how you are bluffing them, don't do it accordingly. You have to do unpredictable moves so that other hands will not notice that your main goal is to keep bluffing them if you have bad cards.

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Quote from: Mister1k on August 16, 2018, 03:49:35 PM

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Statistically, in the long run, you will win playing only good cards. Of course, this also requires a lot of self-discipline, as it can happen that you only get bad hands for a long time. You can do bluffs, but only if you are in position, for example, and if you have not made a name for yourself, that you often bluff, otherwise the effect fizzles out. I played online and offline poker for a while and learned that from really good and successful players.

Poker games I do not have belief on this at all. Most of the poker games are scamming the investors whoever making the decision is feeling right. I love to play with the fair on gambling side but I did not find the many gambling not been trusted with the poker room games.
They seems noticing our moves with the help of various executive and maximum time opponents are not being real person and they only have the computer or their people at there.

It seems like you have no idea about poker at all. Have you ever played or do you just want to write some post here? What you say makes no sense at all. In poker, you do not play against the bank but against other players. The bank collects only a tiny fee per game no matter who wins or loses. That's why it makes no sense at all for the bank to favor anyone.

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Quote from: kryptqnick on July 29, 2018, 05:26:54 AM

I've been watching some poker tournaments with Antonius, Negreanu and Cates lately. Most of the time the person with better combination actually wins, but there occur some great bluffs from time to time as well. Do you think it is better to fold if you don't have at least one high card in a pair or two cards of the same suit? Is it worth to try out overbetting tricks when you really have shitty cards? When I tried playing poker, overbetting usually made me fold, because it is a hard psychological attack for me and I am not the kind of a person that is willing to risk a lot. But I am bad at poker. What is your opinion on this matter?

Its both a stratedgy that you may use to your opponent which is not only a strategy but learn how to feel what kind of a player your opponent was so you can spot his weakness in playing. I am playing poker and sometimes my opponents are not that easily bluff it really takes a 3-5 game to know and find your playing strategy.

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Quote from: BitcoinArsenal on August 16, 2018, 01:35:35 PM

Statistically, in the long run, you will win playing only good cards. Of course, this also requires a lot of self-discipline, as it can happen that you only get bad hands for a long time. You can do bluffs, but only if you are in position, for example, and if you have not made a name for yourself, that you often bluff, otherwise the effect fizzles out. I played online and offline poker for a while and learned that from really good and successful players.

Not entirely true, playing against humans is completely different than to play against computers, a good human player will determine your style of playing after seeing you play for a while, if they know you only play good hands then as soon as you raise they will fold.

Poker is a game of deception as well, there are games in which all the information is laid out right in front of you but in poker most of the information is concealed and you only know what your opponent has is if two players remain after the final round of betting and they have to show their cards, so playing bad cards once in a while is a good strategy and it is important that your opponents see this as well, that way when you raise the chances they call your raise are greater and you extract more profits out of them.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on August 17, 2018, 07:04:26 AM

I think you can use bluffing and of course, you need to confident in pretending that you have a good card so another player will think that you have good cards. but this cannot works if the other player has a really good card so you will lose the game.

It has to work if you were good at bluffing because that's the point of doing it, being able to make those who have good cards fold because you are betting too much that they think that you have a sure-win pair of cards. You have to scare them down that they end up folding. Even with good cards, they question themselves and go like "This guy probably has really good set of cards." This works especially when there's an obvious possible flash or straight in the combination right when the 3 cards are put down. For example, there are 3 cards of the same sign or the 3 cards' numbers are near each other.

Quote from: ethereumhunter on August 17, 2018, 07:04:26 AM

but playing with good cards will be recommended as you don't have to worry about anything because you know that you can win. but it is difficult to always get good cards in poker since we can get a random card.

But is betting high with good cards can still be considered as bluffing? Bluffing, according to Urban Dictionary, means "saying you have something that you don't ..." And you basically 'speak' and pretend that you have good cards by betting high or even going all in just to scare them off. Bluffing, when you have good cards, would mean that you're not raising high, you're just going with the flow. You're just going to be checking/calling with the bets faking that you only have relatively good cards and that you just wanna see it through the end.

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I think you can use bluffing and of course, you need to confident in pretending that you have a good card so another player will think that you have good cards. but this cannot works if the other player has a really good card so you will lose the game. but playing with good cards will be recommended as you don't have to worry about anything because you know that you can win. but it is difficult to always get good cards in poker since we can get a random card.

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