What is the maximum price in the next 12-18 mo?

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Quote from: Biodom on February 03, 2017, 02:11:14 PM

1. ETF has to be approved. 30% chance, in my opinion.
2. Significant indication of a currency crisis somewhere. Probability unknown, maybe 10%. So 1+2 together =3% chance
3. Some central bank decides to accumulate bitcoin and news of this leaks. Maybe 2% probability, difficult to estimate. This parameter alone would be sufficient.

1. Definitely the biggest argument from your list. ETF has potential to push bitcoin's price to new limit.
It is more than likely that ETF could attract $300 million in assets in its first week
and a fact that bitcoin is utilized by fully legalized fund would likely give the price of bitcoin additional momentum.

2. Always a possibility, the problem is that we usually don't see economic collapse until it hit us in the face.

3. I don't believe in this, if central banks hoard bitcoin they won't share this info with general public.

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Quote from: darkangel11 on February 04, 2017, 05:17:07 PM

we have reached the moment where a coin is worth a very large amount of money ($1000). This for most people is somewhere close to their monthly wage (or already above it), so it will be extremely difficult to create enough buying pressure to make the price double in a year. It was possible at $200 or $500, but we are talking about some really high prices.

one kg of gold costs about $39,500
one satoshi costs about $0.00001

Put it that way, satoshis sound pretty cheap ... get 'em while they're hot!

Most people "think" in terms of 1 bitcoin or 1 oz of a metal as being the default unit, but there's no rule that those have to be the default units. Some people understand that, some just don't. Bitcoinity.org has already switched from BTC to mBTC. One mBTC is about $1 ... pretty cheap!

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Quote from: BTCtrader71 on February 03, 2017, 02:39:11 PM

Quote from: Biodom on February 03, 2017, 02:11:14 PM

3. Some central bank decides to accumulate bitcoin and news of this leaks. Maybe 2% probability, difficult to estimate. This parameter alone would be sufficient.

A related question: assume that some central bank somewhere decides to accumulate bitcoin.

They're not going to do that for any reason I can see. Plus bitcoin would have to be at something like $10,000 before there'd be enough to go around.

As per OP, I'm guessing $1200-1500 and I'd be totally fine with that. Bubbles pop, and if we go too high too fast, that's exactly what this is going to end up being.

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Quote from: pooya87 on February 04, 2017, 05:24:31 AM

there is no maximum price for bitcoin.
there are 21 million coins and 7.5 billion people around to invest in it. if we assume a small percentage of that 7.5 billion are adults and have money to invest that is still a large number that is creating a massive "potential" demand and that can make the price to levels that we can not even start to fathom right now.

There is a maximum. OP said that it's the maximum for the next 12-18 months, so there is a boundary in this limited period of time.
I predict it will be somewhere below $2000. Historically Bitcoin had maximum of 2 large pumps per year and we have reached the moment where a coin is worth a very large amount of money ($1000). This for most people is somewhere close to their monthly wage (or already above it), so it will be extremely difficult to create enough buying pressure to make the price double in a year. It was possible at $200 or $500, but we are talking about some really high prices.

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Quote from: Biodom on February 03, 2017, 02:11:14 PM

Therefore, if bitcoin matches what it did before either by performing super-exponentially sometime this year or matching yearly maximum appreciation, the upper boundary would be 25-87K/bitcoin.

that requires money and lots and lots of it. it don't happen in a vacuum. all of the prices that've been achieved until now were possible with a small number of people.

i don't know what it would take to get a very large number of people on board but i can't see much on the horizon right now.

we need to forget about previous movements and think practically. in theory it might be easier, once there's some momentum it's gonna pick up. but i dunno how we get real momentum going.

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Quote from: 1Referee on February 04, 2017, 06:10:21 AM

It's pointless to look back at how the price has gone up from 2 figure levels, to 4 figure levels. Back then the market was significantly smaller than is the case right now, where we also had way less coins in circulation. I much rather see people post conservative opinions than overly exaggerated predictions that barely have any chances of actually happening. If I (realistically) have to throw a prediction on the table as being my target within your given time frame, then I'd say anywhere between $1500-$2000 as peak. But it all depends on how things go regarding the block size increase. It's no surprise that this will be a factor that can heavily make or break the price in the coming year(s).

Au contraire, I find it rather pointless to repeat the 1200-1500 numbers that everybody else does.
The point of my post was to establish the upper bound, NOT talk about the most likely scenario, hence the title of the tread instead of "what is the most likely price range in 2017".
I gave 25K a very small probability and outlined the scenarios.
If you think that it will be 1500, there is basically nothing to discuss, because almost EVERYBODY thinks the same.
If you have said $300 or $10000, then there is a point to a discussion, IMHO.

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It's pointless to look back at how the price has gone up from 2 figure levels, to 4 figure levels. Back then the market was significantly smaller than is the case right now, where we also had way less coins in circulation. I much rather see people post conservative opinions than overly exaggerated predictions that barely have any chances of actually happening. If I (realistically) have to throw a prediction on the table as being my target within your given time frame, then I'd say anywhere between $1500-$2000 as peak. But it all depends on how things go regarding the block size increase. It's no surprise that this will be a factor that can heavily make or break the price in the coming year(s).

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there is no maximum price for bitcoin.
there are 21 million coins and 7.5 billion people around to invest in it. if we assume a small percentage of that 7.5 billion are adults and have money to invest that is still a large number that is creating a massive "potential" demand and that can make the price to levels that we can not even start to fathom right now.

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Quote from: n0ne on February 04, 2017, 03:07:46 AM

As most users described I too think we might get closer to $1200. If situations were found good we'll reach $2000 to the maximum. Else the price could be seen to increase periodically. Possibly this year the price might stay above $1000 for a long with minor variations.

This is more reliable and positive price of bitcoin to happen for the next 12-18 months but well bitcoin is really making surprises.

It can pump and dump anytime now but when it comes to dump that is not going to be that long it will can have a comeback of pumping again.

But I wanted to see bitcoin's price even higher than $1,200.

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Quote from: Wolf Rainer on February 03, 2017, 03:33:06 PM

$1200 - $1500 Will be the price range for the whole year, like I said thousand times. $25000-26000, what are you smoking? Bitcoin at that price would mean a 412 BILLIONS marketcap, almost the Microsoft marketcap.

I agree with $1200-1500 range. When we talk about bitcoin price, we need to be realistic and rational, it is obvious that $25000 is impossible, maybe is possible in year 2030, at that time, everything is 5X expensive than now. In 2017, $25000 is absolutely impossible, $2500 is a little possible.

nothing is impossible. i think the correct term is improbable meaning the possibility of that happening is low.
and besides i disagree with the $1200-$1500 for the whole year. you are thinking in numbers not percentages. and bitcoin is not yet at the max adoption to have a stable price. a $1200 rise is 18% and $1500 is 48% rise. and this amount of rise in a whole year is too small for bitcoin, check the history and you can see how small it is.

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As most users described I too think we might get closer to $1200. If situations were found good we'll reach $2000 to the maximum. Else the price could be seen to increase periodically. Possibly this year the price might stay above $1000 for a long with minor variations.

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Any type of calculation about possible future price is just a guess with dice, there is no indicators that can help us to think what price will be the next point for bitcoin

we can only base or argument on the past, and based on the past bitcoin can do a 10x rally in one sit, therefore 10k is not so far-stretched to achive this year

i still think we are only going to see less than 2k as a stable value for this year, but the peak may be very well higher

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In the next 12-18 months, I think the maximum price we might see is at most 1500$ and at least 1200$. Its impossible to climb up above that for now unless there are major happenings that will affect bitcoin reaching prices more than that. If that were to happen though, many of those who hold their bitcoin now will sell and it might go back to the price ranges we have now.

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The 2016 drive is like $300-$960 if I am not mistaken? So there is a 600 plus dollar difference and maybe that is why they are saying it will go for $1500 because of that thinking. But still I am worried with that 1500 mark. I am thinking it will depend on the newly elected presidents of different countries. Of the economy will grow to which people can afford a bitcoin. If that happens then demand will grow more taking bitcoin to higher value.

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Quote from: shapeshiftscam on February 04, 2017, 01:05:10 AM

Quote from: Wolf Rainer on February 03, 2017, 03:33:06 PM

$1200 - $1500 Will be the price range for the whole year, like I said thousand times. $25000-26000, what are you smoking? Bitcoin at that price would mean a 412 BILLIONS marketcap, almost the Microsoft marketcap.

I agree with $1200-1500 range. When we talk about bitcoin price, we need to be realistic and rational, it is obvious that $25000 is impossible, maybe is possible in year 2030, at that time, everything is 5X expensive than now. In 2017, $25000 is absolutely impossible, $2500 is a little possible.

I think is very imposible bitcoin price next 12-18 month can incraese until reach 25k dollar
is realistic bitcoin price in range 1200 - 1500 dollar, or maximum price in 2017 only 1500 dollar

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Quote from: Wolf Rainer on February 03, 2017, 03:33:06 PM

$1200 - $1500 Will be the price range for the whole year, like I said thousand times. $25000-26000, what are you smoking? Bitcoin at that price would mean a 412 BILLIONS marketcap, almost the Microsoft marketcap.

I agree with $1200-1500 range. When we talk about bitcoin price, we need to be realistic and rational, it is obvious that $25000 is impossible, maybe is possible in year 2030, at that time, everything is 5X expensive than now. In 2017, $25000 is absolutely impossible, $2500 is a little possible.

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the problem with these types of speculation (which have been around from day one) is the fact that they are all depending on lots of big ifs!
and all those big ifs are usually a far fetched fantasy in my opinion that has not come true yet and has little chance of coming true in the future. that is why I never liked that famous 10,000 $/BTC speculation from 2013 until today.

I like to stick to the facts, that the adoption we see today is a slow one and nothing seems to be able to change it. and the nice up trend we have been seeing for years is pointing to prices around $1800-$2000 by the end of the year.

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remember the price of GOLD ...
and when 1 bitcoin cost more than it ?

well, we have already a pattern for this :

https://ybitcoin.com/articles/bitcoin-as-an-investment/

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Quote from: BTCtrader71 on February 03, 2017, 03:23:51 PM

Quote from: Biodom on February 03, 2017, 02:53:48 PM

2. China would be my primary suspect because they keep trying to bring the price down repeatedly, which is typical when something is being slowly accumulated. If US would learn that China is in fact doing this, they would be silly not to engage in such buying as well.

Agree:

https://medium.com/@davidstrayhorn_33223/the-peoples-bank-of-china-may-be-secretly-accumulating-large-sums-of-bitcoin-be3de9c53f17#.3hcqm5hlj

Great read, especially:
"Strategy #2: Accumulate mining power...Easier it would be to let private Chinese companies build the miners, and set up a secret partnership with them."

...and who just set up a gigantic (50% of ALL hashing power) mining factory while claiming that it would be mostly for private investors.
You guessed it, Bitmain..in China..

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Quote from: ImHash on February 03, 2017, 03:48:22 PM

Because of the rule 1 block every 10 minutes and the increasing difficulty plus more miners joining the pools and the average electricity cost of mining the estimation of price could only be at around $2800 by the end of 2017.
Call it speculation but if I'm dead by then my post would be here still Cheesy

$2800, I'd settle for that kind of increase in price by the end of 2017 & btw I hope you're not dead by then Grin

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