Topic: What is the meaning of wars and ignorance? (Read 289 times)

Times of meaning in wars are mostly gone, now it's a deadly puppet show

When someone is trying to dominance economically the already strong one then war comes out.
It is a way to keep your first position and the wealth above the other's wealth.
Just think of what is happening in the Middle East and what is the reason (the real one) when wars start.

That's a different situation and we do really have different point of views regarding the topic.

I know a country like this and they're being governed by a family passed by the throne one after another. I think we're done with those days and the wars that are being done this time are different.

We have technology and virtual wars do happen too.

Change they say always starts with you.
Here is a chance to better our world. As we face a common problem of Covid19, as we fight together with hopes to heal together, let is get an understanding that this world is collectively owned by us and see reasons for peaceful coexistence.

When one party forces its views and power, however it may not be said to create peace, in fact it can cause divisions.
everyone has different views and thoughts if there is no mutual respect between us, don't expect the dream of creating a peaceful world will occur.

Exactly, people like North Korea can be considered as a perfect example to this but those people have no choice since Kim has strong military forces so people have to obey the orders or they should being some kind of protest if those people are really interest in change but I doubt they do.

Most people have the same hope. Especially people who experienced war are the strongest pacifist. But so far in human history there has never been a long period of time where there was no war around the world. Different religions, countries and races will always lead to tension in politics and until we all can agree to soften those tension peacefully there will be war.

Even in economic terms everyone know wars destroy value. But for a small group of people such wars are there to increase their personal wealth. We have seen in Syria and Iraq how a few companies profit on the life's of the innocent. While the overall population suffers.

I really hope there will be no more war in the future

I think the North Korea is one of the country about what you just mentioned, the government of North Korea is so evil where they prefer to buy guns, ammo and especially bombs than to buy food to their citizens. The poverty in North Korea is too high where there are a lot of families thatnare hungry because of the incompetency of their leader which is Kim Jong Un who keep focusing on war and ignorance. Their government should focus on  spending on foods for their citizens than to spend it in bombs and guns.

Imagine a country is getting ruled by someone who never care about their people, he just collects most of everyone's earning as tax so people are going to struggle for their entire life time in that situation people will think that costing few hundred lives to save millions of people entirely from this hell life.

By a misunderstanding, it means a battle between knowledge and ignorance.
The battle of gaining knowledge and conquers the ignorance of the mind Some mortals fight to be separated from him Ignorance is the explanation for war Ignorant people are usually unable to know many things they are going consistent with their own opinion.

All of that goes back to the nature of greed, arrogance, strength of a person or country that is never satisfied to enrich themselves. war itself will occur because there is a beginning to create problems that cause misunderstandings with each other, the inequalities of each country will always be there, because these inequalities can enhance each other's economies to build cooperation with others in any field.

We have different ideology about war. Like what you have said, others are believing that it can bring peace.

And some, don't believe that it's the only way to bring peace. Because with wars, it brings casualties, collateral damages, deaths, starvation and other bad experiences that will bring to the people that are actually on the ground.

If people avoid discussing about politics then it is easier for the leaders to execute anything what they wanted and most of the time it will be done for their benefits not for ours.And in democracy it is necessary to know all the things happening around us.Sometimes wars can bring peace to us but not in the modern economic world because here everyone can go anywhere and do what they want if they are capable of.

wealth inequality always existed and will always exist

I wouldn't get into politics for the discussion but we can start living peacefully through our homes and with our lives. The way you handle complicated things will help you to maintain that peace which shall not be gone in hard times when they come.

IMHO, to cause war is not to cause peace, if there's always a war, peace is hard to find. But abandoning mass weapons? no strong country will do that.

Your words are beautiful but dreamy words, the reality is very different. People from the time of Plato's time have tried to build a utopia, but no one from that time until now has been able to do that and I do not think that anyone will be able in the future either.
Money and sovereignty are the cause of all these wars. In one country you see people fighting for the sake of the country’s sovereignty, and you see different countries fighting for each other’s control, politicians fighting and poor people who pay the price with death, hunger and ignorance.
I think the problem is much more complex and cannot be solved by a few beautiful but dreamy words. Even the prophets tried to prevent people from wars and fighting but they only succeeded for a short time and after their death their people returned to wars again.

i'm not sure if bible will help. it will only make things worse as it did it the past. even today the high priest in our country are encouraging to revolt to our government, how is that for someone who believes in Jesus while they travel to a far city when the sun comes down to visit a strippers club.

nothing makes this world better even if the government provides free electricity and free water. there is just no satisfaction, we even want 4 wives and wants 7 virgins when we die.

We are not moving in this direction for two reasons:
1. Some people don't want to move in this direction;
2. Some people like this direction only if they can be the boss of everybody else.


Seems to me that it is when people are united that there is trouble. Why? Because everybody thinks at least a little differently than everybody else. This means that "united" only means being united physically. When other people who think differently than you, get too close to you physically, there is irritation that can flare into hostilities.



Actually, there is only one way for this to happen. People need to follow the Holy Spirit, Who Jesus sent to bring people to Him, until He returns in power. Why the Holy Spirit? Because He is the only One Who can read the minds and hearts of all people, so that He can direct them properly.

A second way might be for everybody to be hooked into his own neural net, all of which are attached to a super AI computer, which can direct the world  by integrating the thoughts of all people in the best way. But this is such a faraway fantasy, that there really is no reason to consider it. Besides, if the AI has corrupt ambitions, the people will be corrupted.

The only real way is to get into the Bible, get to church, learn to believe in the coming New Kingdom of God, and be saved by Jesus.

there is no such thing as utopian harmony

there is either segregating the different ideologies or forcing everyone to have the same ideology. and even those can cause conflict

each person is unique. some want to just do as they please. do as little themselves but gain the most for themselves
then there are those that like to do alot of work but not ask for much in return

there are some that only think for themselves vs those that think about others.
there are those that want a quiet country life vs those that want a busy gossipy urban life

those that want a better world for everyone and those that want a better world for just themselves

politically you can say its the capitalists vs socialists
commonly you can say its the selfish vs the empathetic

even if you divided the planet in half. the capitalist/selfish ones would want to invade the socialist/empathetic half

trying to make selfish people more empathetic or trying to make empathetic more selfish is a task in of itself that causes infighting even amungst their co-group members

EG if a pre selfish person becomes 20% empathetic. a neighbour thats still 100% selfish would take advantage and never return the lawnmower he asked to borrow

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in short no solution