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Quote from: Rikafip on January 08, 2023, 06:53:17 AM

Quote from: Findingnemo on January 07, 2023, 12:50:32 PM

Ofcourse we can get it from their merit counts but if there is another rank with 2500 merits or 5000 merits criteria which will give the recognition for their contribution and also differentiate from 1K members, anyway I don't think theymos is interested in adding ranks but I just expressed what I would like to see.

I sure hope theymos doesn't consider adding more ranks. So many people take this forum way too seriously (just remember those silly self-congratulatory topics that are thankfully not so popular anymore) and adding more ranks will just create extra craziness in that regard.

I completely agree! The idea of more ranks just seems like it would create more unnecessary competition and hierarchy on the forum. I think we should avoid these pitfalls and continue building a community where everyone feels welcome. It's important to remember that at the end of the day, we're all just people sharing and discussing ideas online and trying to learn from each other. It's always better to focus on the content of our posts and discussions rather than getting caught up in the ranks and status symbols.

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Quote from: OnZen on January 08, 2023, 12:37:00 AM

In my opinion a new topic should be introduced in bitcointalk in 2023, I think this topic should be about that :
1. Where to start the newbie ID.
2. Full use of post reply box.
3. Guide line for posting pictures.
Etc etc....

That won't be necessary as everything you need to kickstart your journey on the forum has already been prepared by previous members. For example, with a quick search on or off the forum, newbies can easily find thread that beautifully explains how to do whatever they want to do on the forum. For the question you highlighted here are some threads for that.

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~~Where to start the newbie ID.~~ I believe you meant, Where to find the newbie ID.

1: Newbies - Read before posting

2: SMF Smileys & Bulletin Board Code

3: Guideline on posting images (with size adjustments), hyperlinks by tbct_mt2

And when they search and don't find answers to their questions, they can just ask then lock thread immediately they get the response that's helpful to them. Unless newbies by default will be redirected to the thread that you're suggesting when they register, it might be effective as you think.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on January 07, 2023, 12:50:32 PM

Ofcourse we can get it from their merit counts but if there is another rank with 2500 merits or 5000 merits criteria which will give the recognition for their contribution and also differentiate from 1K members, anyway I don't think theymos is interested in adding ranks but I just expressed what I would like to see.

I sure hope theymos doesn't consider adding more ranks. So many people take this forum way too seriously (just remember those silly self-congratulatory topics that are thankfully not so popular anymore) and adding more ranks will just create extra craziness in that regard.

Quote from: OnZen on January 08, 2023, 12:37:00 AM

In my opinion a new topic should be introduced in bitcointalk in 2023 . A basic topic should be introduced for newbies. Who want to increase their rank in bitcointalk. So beginners don't face much trouble and the topic will make newbies basic strong .

Everything needed (for the start) for an average Newbie is already in the pinned messages in Beginners & Help board. Problem is that many totally ignore those which can get them into trouble (mainly not realizing forum's stance of plagiarism).

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In my opinion a new topic should be introduced in bitcointalk in 2023 . A basic topic should be introduced for newbies. Who want to increase their rank in bitcointalk. So beginners don't face much trouble and the topic will make newbies basic strong .

I think this topic should be about that :
1. Where to start the newbie ID.
2. Full use of post reply box.
3. Guide line for posting pictures.

Etc etc....

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Quote from: Zilon on January 07, 2023, 01:42:58 AM

@ Lucius meant 50% will not be filled if most managers were to consider reviewing post quality before and after accepting new participants. Some good posters become bad posters when they get accepted into campaigns, while some improve on their quality over time. The whole idea is not about personal choice of not joining a campaign because the poster assumes the campaign lacks quality, but the content of posters involved in various campaigns. But truth be told, most campaigns will be scanty if quality was really looked into.

Are we going to act like top managers aren't doing their job correctly by cautioning users who reduced post quality just to meet up weekly post quota? And when they don't change they get punished. Have you seen Hhampuz, Trofo campaigns spreedsheet or that of Royse777, go review them and you'll see that steadily they give warning to their users about post quality and removes them when they don't change their ways, how do you think slots get opened sometimes in campaigns especially when no new campaigns (with better pay) are launched or accounts banned.

When we make judgement since we love generalizing, lets not only focus attention on the campaigns or managers demanding too much from their participants with little pay (as this cost decline in quality) but lets also look at those doing their job very well and contributing to the activeness of the forum as even though what Lucius said is true so is the fact that without this campaigns the forum would had been half empty by now.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on January 07, 2023, 12:50:32 PM

Quote from: kawetsriyanto on January 06, 2023, 05:14:13 PM

Quote from: Findingnemo on December 30, 2022, 01:53:30 PM

One rank above the Legendary is my wish!

I believe it will be a good thing to do for the members who contributed a lot to the forum and also it will encourage the legendary to post more to reach that super recognition rank.

Is it really necessary, mate?

I think it is not needed since we are able to know the members who contributed a lot from their merit numbers. Also, the members who have a certain achievement, have a special badge.

For example:

- taufik123 has a special badge as the winner of the art contest in 2019.
- fillippone has a special badge as the winner of Pizza day in 2022.

Why not? For example LoyceV earned more than 10K merits but he still holds the legendary rank as everyone who has 1K merits but this is a big difference in the numbers and how much they contributed to the forum.

Ofcourse we can get it from their merit counts but if there is another rank with 2500 merits or 5000 merits criteria which will give the recognition for their contribution and also differentiate from 1K members, anyway I don't think theymos is interested in adding ranks but I just expressed what I would like to see.

I personally like your idea and support it.
If enough members support it, maybe it will become a reality, why not?
There are legendary members who became legendary before the implementation of the merit system, based solely on their activity and the fact that they have been members on the forum for a long time.
On the other hand, there are members like LoyceV, who are really quality members who help everyone, and deserve a special rank that will highlight their great contribution to this forum and separate them from other legendary members, whose contribution to the forum community is not so big.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on January 07, 2023, 12:50:32 PM

Why not? For example LoyceV earned more than 10K merits but he still holds the legendary rank as everyone who has 1K merits but this is a big difference in the numbers and how much they contributed to the forum.

Ofcourse we can get it from their merit counts but if there is another rank with 2500 merits or 5000 merits criteria which will give the recognition for their contribution and also differentiate from 1K members, anyway I don't think theymos is interested in adding ranks but I just expressed what I would like to see.

From my point of view, this idea doesn't seem bad either.
But looking at the forum currently, and seeing a lot of even influential users who haven't reached the Legendary level, I think there isn't much room for new levels to emerge.

Now, I wouldn't think it strange, in the near future this could happen. I will find it normal and the natural evolution of the forum.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on January 06, 2023, 05:14:13 PM

Quote from: Findingnemo on December 30, 2022, 01:53:30 PM

One rank above the Legendary is my wish!

I believe it will be a good thing to do for the members who contributed a lot to the forum and also it will encourage the legendary to post more to reach that super recognition rank.

Is it really necessary, mate?

I think it is not needed since we are able to know the members who contributed a lot from their merit numbers. Also, the members who have a certain achievement, have a special badge.

For example:

- taufik123 has a special badge as the winner of the art contest in 2019.
- fillippone has a special badge as the winner of Pizza day in 2022.

Why not? For example LoyceV earned more than 10K merits but he still holds the legendary rank as everyone who has 1K merits but this is a big difference in the numbers and how much they contributed to the forum.

Ofcourse we can get it from their merit counts but if there is another rank with 2500 merits or 5000 merits criteria which will give the recognition for their contribution and also differentiate from 1K members, anyway I don't think theymos is interested in adding ranks but I just expressed what I would like to see.

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Quote from: joker_josue on January 06, 2023, 02:18:51 PM

Quote from: Lucius on January 06, 2023, 12:19:08 PM

What a naive way of thinking, as if anything other than filling all the spots in the campaign is important these days. If most managers looked at quality, most campaigns wouldn't be able to fill even 50% of spots, and that's a truth that everyone knows, but we can pretend that the rule of "5 merits in 120 days" is something that makes a good poster.

I also think it's a little exaggerated to say that 50% of vacancies were not filled in the campaigns.
There are a lot of users who post with quality who don't even have a campaign, because they think the campaigns don't have quality.

Because I think there is a market for all types of users and campaigns.

@ Lucius meant 50% will not be filled if most managers were to consider reviewing post quality before and after accepting new participants. Some good posters become bad posters when they get accepted into campaigns, while some improve on their quality over time. The whole idea is not about personal choice of not joining a campaign because the poster assumes the campaign lacks quality, but the content of posters involved in various campaigns. But truth be told, most campaigns will be scanty if quality was really looked into.

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Quote from: Solosanz on January 06, 2023, 10:38:02 AM

I wonder which person it's who use 2 accounts and make a conversation with his own alt, although theymos said it's no problem if to have different personality, but I don't think it's right to create a discussion while the one who replying is his another account.

The person who makes conversation with his alt account is a person with multiple personality disorder Grin

Is that acceptable in this forum? Since only one account per person is allowed in bitcointalk or theymos give them privileges for their special needs.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on December 30, 2022, 01:53:30 PM

One rank above the Legendary is my wish!

I believe it will be a good thing to do for the members who contributed a lot to the forum and also it will encourage the legendary to post more to reach that super recognition rank.

Is it really necessary, mate?

I think it is not needed since we are able to know the members who contributed a lot from their merit numbers. Also, the members who have a certain achievement, have a special badge.

For example:

- taufik123 has a special badge as the winner of the art contest in 2019.
- fillippone has a special badge as the winner of Pizza day in 2022.

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Quote from: Lucius on January 06, 2023, 12:19:08 PM

What a naive way of thinking, as if anything other than filling all the spots in the campaign is important these days. If most managers looked at quality, most campaigns wouldn't be able to fill even 50% of spots, and that's a truth that everyone knows, but we can pretend that the rule of "5 merits in 120 days" is something that makes a good poster.

I also think it's a little exaggerated to say that 50% of vacancies were not filled in the campaigns.
There are a lot of users who post with quality who don't even have a campaign, because they think the campaigns don't have quality.

Because I think there is a market for all types of users and campaigns.

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Quote from: Edwardard on January 06, 2023, 11:19:18 AM

Quote from: Lucius on January 06, 2023, 10:28:20 AM

I, on the other hand, would like to see a rule that one can participate in signature/bounty campaigns exclusively with one account in one campaign, not as we have the case now with multiple accounts in multiple campaigns.

This rule is already in there for most of the campaigns.

Does it make sense to cut someone's sentence in half just to write something that I know very well exists?

Quote from: Edwardard on January 06, 2023, 11:19:18 AM

If someone got 4-5 or more accounts just for the sake of participating in sig. campaigns, chances are they wont get accepted in any, since such users are mostly broken (i)nglish sh*tposters. Again, a good manager can easily spot them.

What a naive way of thinking, as if anything other than filling all the spots in the campaign is important these days. If most managers looked at quality, most campaigns wouldn't be able to fill even 50% of spots, and that's a truth that everyone knows, but we can pretend that the rule of "5 merits in 120 days" is something that makes a good poster.

You obviously don't know the case of a user who abused the CM campaign with 3 accounts for years until it was discovered?

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Quote from: Lucius on January 06, 2023, 10:28:20 AM

I, on the other hand, would like to see a rule that one can participate in signature/bounty campaigns exclusively with one account in one campaign,

This rule is already in there for most of the campaigns.
Just like scams aren't moderated by the admins/mods, such things arent too. Thats why you got "campaign managers" for this job and most of them do well imo..

Quote from: Lucius on January 06, 2023, 10:52:04 AM

I think it would be fair to all other users of the forum who have only one account and may not be able to get a place in a sig campaign because someone uses their alt accounts in 4 or 5 different sig campaigns.

If someone got 4-5 or more accounts just for the sake of participating in sig. campaigns, chances are they wont get accepted in any, since such users are mostly broken (i)nglish sh*tposters. Again, a good manager can easily spot them.

Also, I believe most newbies who need technical help, forget about their account after their problem is solved and come back later again with new account with a new problem. Thats why you see many 1 post brand new accounts in the forum. Most are alt accounts of each other. If theymos starts IP banning ppl, they wont be able to comeback again for help lol.

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Quote from: Solosanz on January 06, 2023, 10:38:02 AM

Did you mean if one person have 3 accounts, but only one account is able to participate in signature campaign while the other two accounts shouldn't join any campaign even though those both accounts are eligible and not cheating in the same campaign?

I think it would be fair to all other users of the forum who have only one account and may not be able to get a place in a sig campaign because someone uses their alt accounts in 4 or 5 different sig campaigns. Of course, that rule will not change, nobody wants to officially be a policeman on the forum and investigate such things.

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Quote from: Lucius on January 06, 2023, 10:28:20 AM

I, on the other hand, would like to see a rule that one can participate in signature/bounty campaigns exclusively with one account in one campaign, not as we have the case now with multiple accounts in multiple campaigns. Sometimes it's funny to see how one and the same person has a discussion with himself using alt accounts.

Did you mean if one person have 3 accounts, but only one account is able to participate in signature campaign while the other two accounts shouldn't join any campaign even though those both accounts are eligible and not cheating in the same campaign?

I wonder which person it's who use 2 accounts and make a conversation with his own alt, although theymos said it's no problem if to have different personality, but I don't think it's right to create a discussion while the one who replying is his another account.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on January 06, 2023, 08:58:22 AM

A nice change would be to limit the number of accounts allowed.
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The problem is that you cannot impose such a rule even if you wanted to, given that people use VPN and TOR to hide their real IP addresses. Of course, many come across the evil fee, which is in some way a defense against the creation of large bot farms, but this fee can be paid, and some members have the option of removing it upon request.

I, on the other hand, would like to see a rule that one can participate in signature/bounty campaigns exclusively with one account in one campaign, not as we have the case now with multiple accounts in multiple campaigns. Sometimes it's funny to see how one and the same person has a discussion with himself using alt accounts.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on January 06, 2023, 08:58:22 AM

A nice change would be to limit the number of accounts allowed. Can understand the need to create an alternate account for your other device, but creating a bunch of alternate accounts clearly hints at the bad activity. In addition, a false impression is created about the number of people registering on the forum; you can probably divide this number by half, if not by three.

There is no need for an alternate account to use on other devices, I have multiple devices and I know most of us also have more than one device. If anyone wants to change the device they can just log in to their account to that device. It is that simple, there is no point to create another account to create and use for that purpose.

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a false impression is created about the number of people registering on the forum; you can probably divide this number by half, if not by three.

Also users who use one account for their activity on this forum will get motivated for a second account. We saw many alt account cases in this forum regularly.

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A nice change would be to limit the number of accounts allowed. Can understand the need to create an alternate account for your other device, but creating a bunch of alternate accounts clearly hints at the bad activity. In addition, a false impression is created about the number of people registering on the forum; you can probably divide this number by half, if not by three.

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