I would say that whoever can produce a digital signature with the private key of the Genesis block address has the strongest claim to actually be Satoshi Nakamoto.
Topic: what proof must one have to identify himself as Nakamoto Satoshi? (Read 480 times)
December 26, 2022, 07:46:59 PM
December 26, 2022, 01:38:34 PM
Let's face it the crypto system is an open threat to the conventional economy and it was and still is a wise decision for Satoshi to remain anonymous for his safety because some sort of false narrative could be propagated against him and off he goes to jail.... Look at what is happening to Sam bankman fried.... Though you may say he's somewhat guilty but we all in the crypto space knows the impact of arresting such personality and the effects it will create in the already volatile environment we are... So you see why it's not wise for Satoshi to come out?
Sam Bankman-fried's situation is a very different one, SBF committed a crime by using people's money for his own personal gain and losing it, so it is correct for him to be arrested. SBF, CZ and other owners of centralized crypto exchanges, altcoins and services all did or are all doing things totally different from BTC or Satoshi, they created services that allow them to control and keep people's money and use it for their own profit and gain, their service also allows people trade shitcoins, lose their personal data to bad people, the government or blockchain analysis company, these has led to so many losses and cause for regulation outcry.Satoshi created a network that allows people to choose what they want to do with their coins, a network that doesn't give him any control, but for the community and the owner of the money to control, a network that works perfectly without him ever needing to come out of his anonymity status. Satoshi didn't create a network that would warrant him to be arrested if he is known. Though the government may only attack him because he freed people out of their financial oppression.
December 26, 2022, 01:13:20 PM
Let's face it the crypto system is an open threat to the conventional economy and it was and still is a wise decision for Satoshi to remain anonymous for his safety because some sort of false narrative could be propagated against him and off he goes to jail.... Look at what is happening to Sam bankman fried.... Though you may say he's somewhat guilty but we all in the crypto space knows the impact of arresting such personality and the effects it will create in the already volatile environment we are... So you see why it's not wise for Satoshi to come out?
December 25, 2022, 04:13:11 PM
I think an immutable proof of Satoshi's existence is right from his addresses. As far as I know his is one of if not the oldest addresses out there, holding bitcoins worth as much as billions of dollars. A fund transfer from one address to another through these addresses could be an indicator that they are still alive and breathing, but that itself could be fabricated should a hacker get hold of his wallets. Another would be signing a message from the addresses he owns, which could both give hint to who they really are, and of his existence as well.
All in all, I don't think he's needed anymore, as it stands today bitcoin is self-thriving and doesn't need a Satoshi Nakamoto to hold everything together. The enterprise has become bigger than themselves in an amazing fashion, and I think this is what he wanted in the first place.
All in all, I don't think he's needed anymore, as it stands today bitcoin is self-thriving and doesn't need a Satoshi Nakamoto to hold everything together. The enterprise has become bigger than themselves in an amazing fashion, and I think this is what he wanted in the first place.
December 25, 2022, 04:26:43 AM
If Satoshi returns back with his forum account here and tells who he is, then it’s very likely that most people will believe that he is the real Satoshi.
Note that his account is banned from this place, according to theymos. So, even if he tries to login, he won't.Moreover he can also give a signed message of the Bitcoin address that he used here. This will give more believe from the people that he is the real Satoshi.
Satoshi never disclosed his address(es), so any signed message from one of his "probably his" addresses isn't a proof of identity, but rather a proof of ownership of the private key. The only action that can act as proof of identity is to provide a signature from his never used PGP key[1][2].[1] https://bitcointalk.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc
[2] https://web.archive.org/web/20090131115053/http://bitcoin.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc
December 25, 2022, 04:10:18 AM
We always wonder who the real master mind behind the name of Nakamoto Satoshi the creator of bitcoin is.But what exactly would make you believe or convince you that "this" person is Satoshi if he/she ever decided to reveal himself.
There might be infinite wannabes and glory hunters wanting to rise to fame ,given the real Satoshi is one among them how would you go on about finding the right person.
There might be infinite wannabes and glory hunters wanting to rise to fame ,given the real Satoshi is one among them how would you go on about finding the right person.
If Satoshi returns back with his forum account here and tells who he is, then it’s very likely that most people will believe that he is the real Satoshi. Moreover he can also give a signed message of the Bitcoin address that he used here. This will give more believe from the people that he is the real Satoshi. But Satoshi kept this alias in order to hide his real identity. So it’s completely possible that Satoshi won’t come out and reveal his identity against this cruel masses.
December 25, 2022, 03:23:39 AM
Attempting to prove identity is itself shady to me.
Because why did Satoshi go away in the first place to want to come back now and need to prove his (her,) identity? And why prove his identity in the first place? If he wanted to do anything like contribute to Bitcoin he could do that under any identity he wanted. Maybe he is already creating pull requests and reviewing changes in Bitcoin!
Only those who are set to gain something would want to prove something. There is nothing to be gained for Satoshi to prove his identity. Only losses, loss of privacy, maybe even security as his life may be in danger, etc.
Very on point, I don't see the need for identity proof by Satoshi since being anonymous is part of the original plans and features of Bitcoin and that is why, anyone can contribute to a network under any identity. Decentralization has eliminated identity proves and is needless for Satoshi to reveal his identity that is if there is an identity to the word SATOSHI, Identity verification is not part of BTC whitepaper and as much as we can we tried to remain anonymous and private so only those who have something to gain will come out trying to prove their Satoshi Nakamoto.Because why did Satoshi go away in the first place to want to come back now and need to prove his (her,) identity? And why prove his identity in the first place? If he wanted to do anything like contribute to Bitcoin he could do that under any identity he wanted. Maybe he is already creating pull requests and reviewing changes in Bitcoin!
Only those who are set to gain something would want to prove something. There is nothing to be gained for Satoshi to prove his identity. Only losses, loss of privacy, maybe even security as his life may be in danger, etc.
December 25, 2022, 03:05:52 AM
There are people that communicated with Satoshi in the early days, which might still have information or data that only Satoshi might have known .. and that were not made public. I think if he signs an address that was linked to him with a message to those people, then it might authenticate his real identity.
He left a message in the early days when he launched Bitcoin, so I think he will do the same.. if he wanted to communicate with us again.
I would prefer that he would not try to reveal his real identity... because that will just create more troubles.
He left a message in the early days when he launched Bitcoin, so I think he will do the same.. if he wanted to communicate with us again.
I would prefer that he would not try to reveal his real identity... because that will just create more troubles. December 25, 2022, 02:25:59 AM
Zero proof, I am sure that Nakamoto doesn't want to be known, so who ever comes forth to claim the identity knows better than everyone, he knew Nakamoto isn't coming, and claiming to be the Real Nakamoto can give him the drive juice.
Revealing who the real creator of BTC is means the decentralized part of BTC is officially broken, this is why I believe that the real Nakamoto isn't coming to the public.
Revealing who the real creator of BTC is means the decentralized part of BTC is officially broken, this is why I believe that the real Nakamoto isn't coming to the public.
December 25, 2022, 01:48:56 AM
Bitcoin is decentralized cryptocurrency, the only way for somebody to ever legitimately stake a claim to being Satoshi Nakamoto without getting laughed out of the building is cryptographically. He has sign a message from a well known Satoshi mined early block. That is literally the only only way, everything else is BS as we see with characters like Craig Wright.
December 25, 2022, 01:44:08 AM
What is the point of wanting to even know who the real Satoshi when it is obvious anyone can claim to be anybody these days. He should remain anonymous, that's good enough. For me, I would not believe if anyone comes out today with proof that he is Satoshi.
There is no need to find who the real Satoshi. Everyone having an expectation to see the real Satoshi is common thing. Staying anonymous is the what the network requires. Quite often we used to encounter different people coming up with the claim of being the real Satoshi. Nowadays that too have reduced as no one is able to prove themselves real Satoshi. Till the year 2120 this discussion will go on, and at some point conclusion will be reached assuming Satoshi to be dead. 
December 25, 2022, 01:37:31 AM
If anybody claims he/she is Satoshi Nakamoto and wants to be taken more or less seriously, he/she doesn't have to go to great lengths just to make everybody else curious. He/she only has to sign a message and perhaps people would indeed become really interested. While having access to the purported private keys of Satoshi doesn't prove beyond doubt that the person behind the signature is the real Satoshi, it is definitely enough for everybody to get curious and raise probing questions.
December 25, 2022, 01:07:32 AM
What is the point of wanting to even know who the real Satoshi when it is obvious anyone can claim to be anybody these days. He should remain anonymous, that's good enough. For me, I would not believe if anyone comes out today with proof that he is Satoshi.
December 25, 2022, 12:12:30 AM
We always wonder who the real master mind behind the name of Nakamoto Satoshi the creator of bitcoin is.But what exactly would make you believe or convince you that "this" person is Satoshi if he/she ever decided to reveal himself.
There might be infinite wannabes and glory hunters wanting to rise to fame ,given the real Satoshi is one among them how would you go on about finding the right person.
There might be infinite wannabes and glory hunters wanting to rise to fame ,given the real Satoshi is one among them how would you go on about finding the right person.
Signing a message with the key to the genesis block, or other well known block mined by Satoshi would be strong evidence that the person might be Satoshi.
Of course it could be someone else that stole the key, but at least it's a start.
Anyone that just says so has zero credibility.
December 24, 2022, 11:34:02 PM
We always wonder who the real master mind behind the name of Nakamoto Satoshi the creator of bitcoin is.But what exactly would make you believe or convince you that "this" person is Satoshi if he/she ever decided to reveal himself.
There might be infinite wannabes and glory hunters wanting to rise to fame ,given the real Satoshi is one among them how would you go on about finding the right person.
At minimum he should sign a message from an address which is known that it belongs to him or move his coins to another address.There might be infinite wannabes and glory hunters wanting to rise to fame ,given the real Satoshi is one among them how would you go on about finding the right person.
And I say this is the minimum necessary because there is always the possibility of someone getting access to his files and then trying to use this as evidence of being Satoshi while they would be just an impersonator, however I think it is safe to assume that Satoshi will never comeback, whether this is because he passed away already, he is afraid of being pursued by intelligence agencies or some other reason, this seems to be the best possible outcome for the market in general.
December 24, 2022, 03:59:08 PM
There's a fair chance CIA, FBI and other "3 letter agencies" know who Satoshi is/was. It's also possible that he's dead. If we don't take this into account, significant proof would be something like moving coins from "Satoshi's wallet". But if Satoshi is alive and not cooperating with the government agencies there's very little chance he will expose himself by cashing out or moving his coins.
I also think that Satoshi is dead (I hope I am wrong though) since there is no way that the Bitcoin in his wallet will be untouched. With all the increase in Bitcoin's price, there is no way Satoshi isn't tempted to move his coins unless he has extra addresses that hold another hundred thousand of BTC that is unknown to the public.
If something a person could do to prove his identity as satoshi is not desperately proving that he is the real satoshi. Or even creating a Bitcoin beginners course[1] or paying someone just to cite he is the real satoshi.
[1] https://coingeek.com/bitcoin101/what-is-blockchain/
December 24, 2022, 02:30:45 PM
But what exactly would make you believe or convince you that "this" person is Satoshi if he/she ever decided to reveal himself.
We are still not sure if Satoshi was a single person or a group of people who created the Bitcoin, and I have no explanation on how to point out the right person. But we all know that Satoshi holds a certain amount of BTC. And as far as I know, we know in which wallet it's in. If someone can show me the correct amount and the raw data of BTC which is not an open source information but exists in BTC ecosystem. Then that could convince me at some degree.
But I don't want to know who he is. I am just glad that he/they made this for us. That's all that matters.
December 23, 2022, 05:10:15 PM
There's a fair chance CIA, FBI and other "3 letter agencies" know who Satoshi is/was. It's also possible that he's dead. If we don't take this into account, significant proof would be something like moving coins from "Satoshi's wallet". But if Satoshi is alive and not cooperating with the government agencies there's very little chance he will expose himself by cashing out or moving his coins.
December 23, 2022, 04:36:31 AM
We always wonder who the real master mind behind the name of Nakamoto Satoshi the creator of bitcoin is.But what exactly would make you believe or convince you that "this" person is Satoshi if he/she ever decided to reveal himself.
There might be infinite wannabes and glory hunters wanting to rise to fame ,given the real Satoshi is one among them how would you go on about finding the right person.
There might be infinite wannabes and glory hunters wanting to rise to fame ,given the real Satoshi is one among them how would you go on about finding the right person.
The only way Satoshi has to reveal his identity is through his technology itself. REMEMBER: NOT YOUR KEYS, NOT YOUR COINS. Satoshi along with other early adopters is said to have millions of bitcoins stashed on specific wallets. So, if he signs a transaction from one of his addresses he proves he really is Satoshi Nakamoto. One of the genesis block that is said to be his, is this one: 1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa. You can read more about it here.
There are still flaws, I agree with the posts that proving ownership doesn't prove the identity. One good example is cited by BlackHatCoiner and supported by Wind_FURY posts. Besides, if you are the real satoshi, you don't have to prove you really are Satoshi the more effort you made to prove yourself the more harder it is for the hesitant to believe. Being oneself comes naturally and people will see the proof by themselves.
It also gives an impossible situation for people like Craig Wright, but a very good one for Bitcoin. Because indeed if he does possess the keys, his claims to be the "Real Satoshi Nakamoto" would not be recognized by the community, the Core Developers, and anyone who isn't a Flat-Earther of Bitcoin. This holds true even if he WAS actually Satoshi, the inventor of Bitcoin. It is only right for Satoshi to be dead for the community.
December 23, 2022, 03:24:21 AM
I don't think this is a meaningful thing. The development of Bitcoin will not be affected by the presence or absence of Satoshi Nakamoto, so I think Satoshi Nakamoto himself is well aware of this.
As for the proof, it is completely unnecessary, because as long as you are Satoshi Nakamoto, there will be Satoshi Nakamoto's way to prove yourself.
As for the proof, it is completely unnecessary, because as long as you are Satoshi Nakamoto, there will be Satoshi Nakamoto's way to prove yourself.
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