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Quote from: gnar1ta$ on April 03, 2012, 11:51:16 AM

What about 7970's, can I get 6 of them on one rig with seasonic 1250 psu and a 890fxz GD65 or GD70 MB?

I have a little experience with this EXACT set up.

1. the seasonic will not push 6 of these cards unless you undervolt... alot
2. windoz will only load 5 of the 6 cards. i tried numerous times before falling back to the 5 per mobo approach.

http://s1027.photobucket.com/albums/y335/jjiimm_64/10x7970%20rig/

Good info. Can you fit 4 on the board without extenders? Would be like $2200/rig then. @2800Mh/s That's not horrible.

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Quote from: gnar1ta$ on April 03, 2012, 11:51:16 AM

What about 7970's, can I get 6 of them on one rig with seasonic 1250 psu and a 890fxz GD65 or GD70 MB?

I have a little experience with this EXACT set up.

1. the seasonic will not push 6 of these cards unless you undervolt... alot
2. windoz will only load 5 of the 6 cards. i tried numerous times before falling back to the 5 per mobo approach.

http://s1027.photobucket.com/albums/y335/jjiimm_64/10x7970%20rig/

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I owe my soul to the Bitcoin code...

I just don't get how anyone can make assumptions on ROI when so many people are throwing obscene amounts of money at hashing power.

Considering if any of these products can be produced at any real quantity, there are more than enough takers here to really do a number on difficulty.

I don't think that many miners who would throw these kind of dollars around would just shut off their current farms, replacements are bound to happen but I think most of this will be additions.

I am hoping beyond hope that my little 8GH farm doesn't become marginalized by August. Sad

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Quote from: gnar1ta$ on April 03, 2012, 12:23:26 PM

Quote from: jamesg on April 03, 2012, 12:14:23 PM

They are announcing the mini rig box this week. I originally ordered a couple rig boxes.

At $30K ea? I need your job...

They used to be $25k each. Mining may be my job soon.....

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Quote from: jamesg on April 03, 2012, 12:14:23 PM

They are announcing the mini rig box this week. I originally ordered a couple rig boxes.

At $30K ea? I need your job...

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Quote from: jamesg on April 03, 2012, 12:16:45 PM

Quote from: matthewh3 on April 03, 2012, 12:00:12 PM

These new boards will take about a year to pay off.....

I sure hope you have double checked your calculations on that one. Payoff on a rig box is well before the subsidy halves for me at least.

At current difficulty I'm expecting over 15BTC a month for around £3 of electric.

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Quote from: matthewh3 on April 03, 2012, 12:00:12 PM

These new boards will take about a year to pay off.....

I sure hope you have double checked your calculations on that one. Payoff on a rig box is well before the subsidy halves for me at least.

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Quote from: gnar1ta$ on April 03, 2012, 12:06:17 PM

Quote from: jamesg on April 03, 2012, 11:33:11 AM

These prices make almost no sense no matter how little wattage they use. Best value for the money is the mini rig box at $15k for 25Gh.

How did you order this? It isn't on the website.

They are announcing the mini rig box this week. I originally ordered a couple rig boxes.

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Well the board I chose is the cheapest in its class for warranty and power use for hash rate. Its nearest competitor is two of the new x6500 FPGAs boards and this board works out cheaper. I so much want a rig box and nearly convinced someone to lend me the money for a full rig box but they wouldn't do it in the end as the warranty was only six months and I had no other way to secure the loan.

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Quote from: jamesg on April 03, 2012, 11:33:11 AM

These prices make almost no sense no matter how little wattage they use. Best value for the money is the mini rig box at $15k for 25Gh.

How did you order this? It isn't on the website.

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Quote from: jamesg on April 03, 2012, 11:50:01 AM

Quote from: matthewh3 on April 03, 2012, 11:40:47 AM

Quote from: wogaut on April 03, 2012, 11:39:22 AM

So, the (illusive) BFL mini rig box sells for roughly 15k$, is supposed to have 25.1GH/s @ 1250W.
Your (not yet public) company's product sells for roughly 10k$, is supposed to have 7.2GH/s @ 360W.

That's 1.67MH/$ on BFL, 0.72MH/$ for your product.
And 20MH/W on BFL, and the same 20MH/W on your product.

@gigavps, sorry for the redundancy, wrote the message while you posted, but submitted it anyways...

No the BFL is twice the wattage for the same hash rate.

edit: I ment BFL BitForce Single

Hi matthewh3,

My rig boxes, ehm, mini rig boxes should be here in that time frame. As for this new fpga tech you speak about, it makes pretty much no sense to put up twice the amount of money for half the electricity usage. There comes a point when gains in electricial usage no longer make sense. This is pretty much moving from GPU (2-3Mh/w) to singles or mini rigs (10-20Mh/w). Anything over this doesn't save me enough money to put up TWICE the purchase price no matter how long I have to wait.

But alas, we are both comparing vaporware. Well, except the mini rig box is reusing already proven tech.

Best,
gigavps

Yeah but what if you rig-box starts smoking in seven months time Huh

These new boards will take about a year to pay off I think and if there warranty is two years (I know its at least a year) then all the second year is profit. That's a lot of money to risk on a six months warranty but they do say "Who dares wins"

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Quote from: wogaut on April 03, 2012, 11:46:26 AM

Quote from: gnar1ta$ on April 03, 2012, 11:44:52 AM

Quote from: matthewh3 on April 03, 2012, 11:36:13 AM

Quote from: jamesg on April 03, 2012, 11:33:11 AM

Quote from: matthewh3 on April 03, 2012, 11:17:40 AM

There is a new company coming out and with that kind of money you'd get 6.4GH/s@320W with change as well from your $10,000.

edit: or 7.2GH/s@360W for just a little bit over $10,000.

These prices make almost no sense no matter how little wattage they use. Best value for the money is the mini rig box at $15k for 25Gh.

Are they shipping within three weeks? This is ~800MH/s@40W per FPGA board at $1129 per board plus $20 US shipping and about $70 European shipping (plus my 1BTC per board commission) shipped within three weeks.

Icarus is ~400MH/s@20W for $569. I could get those now, and probably at $469 ea https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.816986. Is that what your new company is doing?

@gigavps any idea on when a rig box would show up at my door? I'd buy one if I would have it within 8 weeks.

Yes, it sounds very much like the Icarus, the thought crossed my mind.

Unfortunately, the mini rig-box has a supposed 12 weeks lead time (and we don't know the real time yet).

But even with that lead time, do we know if the unknown company will hold their fast shipping time, given that BFL nominally promises 4-6 weeks for their single.

I first ordered a BFL-Single but my investors (Red Star Mining) and I got feed up of waiting so switched to my new supplier. It was a little more expansive but better longer warranty and a lot faster lead time as I'm expecting it to be delivered by next week. First batch are all reserved thw second batch will be shipping within three weeks. Thinking of ordering my second as I can't wait that long for BFL

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What about 7970's, can I get 6 of them on one rig with seasonic 1250 psu and a 890fxz GD65 or GD70 MB?

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Quote from: matthewh3 on April 03, 2012, 11:40:47 AM

Quote from: wogaut on April 03, 2012, 11:39:22 AM

So, the (illusive) BFL mini rig box sells for roughly 15k$, is supposed to have 25.1GH/s @ 1250W.
Your (not yet public) company's product sells for roughly 10k$, is supposed to have 7.2GH/s @ 360W.

That's 1.67MH/$ on BFL, 0.72MH/$ for your product.
And 20MH/W on BFL, and the same 20MH/W on your product.

@gigavps, sorry for the redundancy, wrote the message while you posted, but submitted it anyways...

No the BFL is twice the wattage for the same hash rate.

edit: I ment BFL BitForce Single

Hi matthewh3,

My rig boxes, ehm, mini rig boxes should be here in that time frame. As for this new fpga tech you speak about, it makes pretty much no sense to put up twice the amount of money for half the electricity usage. There comes a point when gains in electricial usage no longer make sense. This is pretty much moving from GPU (2-3Mh/w) to singles or mini rigs (10-20Mh/w). Anything over this doesn't save me enough money to put up TWICE the purchase price no matter how long I have to wait.

But alas, we are both comparing vaporware. Well, except the mini rig box is reusing already proven tech.

Best,
gigavps

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So basically the difference is proposed shipping time and warranty?

@this_time: so true...

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At $1.5/MH, there is a real possibility you will never get your initial investment back.

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Quote from: gnar1ta$ on April 03, 2012, 11:44:52 AM

Quote from: matthewh3 on April 03, 2012, 11:36:13 AM

Quote from: jamesg on April 03, 2012, 11:33:11 AM

Quote from: matthewh3 on April 03, 2012, 11:17:40 AM

There is a new company coming out and with that kind of money you'd get 6.4GH/s@320W with change as well from your $10,000.

edit: or 7.2GH/s@360W for just a little bit over $10,000.

These prices make almost no sense no matter how little wattage they use. Best value for the money is the mini rig box at $15k for 25Gh.

Are they shipping within three weeks? This is ~800MH/s@40W per FPGA board at $1129 per board plus $20 US shipping and about $70 European shipping (plus my 1BTC per board commission) shipped within three weeks.

Icarus is ~400MH/s@20W for $569. I could get those now, and probably at $469 ea https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.816986. Is that what your new company is doing?

@gigavps any idea on when a rig box would show up at my door? I'd buy one if I would have it within 8 weeks.

No this is a US company. I'd like the rig-box for that kind of money being one unit but when is it going to be shipped and if it has the same six month warranty that's a big risk on your investment. The boards I'm on about have a minimum of twelve months warranty not sure would have to clear that up. Don't think the Icarus has any warranty Huh

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Quote from: gnar1ta$ on April 03, 2012, 11:44:52 AM

Quote from: matthewh3 on April 03, 2012, 11:36:13 AM

Quote from: jamesg on April 03, 2012, 11:33:11 AM

Quote from: matthewh3 on April 03, 2012, 11:17:40 AM

There is a new company coming out and with that kind of money you'd get 6.4GH/s@320W with change as well from your $10,000.

edit: or 7.2GH/s@360W for just a little bit over $10,000.

These prices make almost no sense no matter how little wattage they use. Best value for the money is the mini rig box at $15k for 25Gh.

Are they shipping within three weeks? This is ~800MH/s@40W per FPGA board at $1129 per board plus $20 US shipping and about $70 European shipping (plus my 1BTC per board commission) shipped within three weeks.

Icarus is ~400MH/s@20W for $569. I could get those now, and probably at $469 ea https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.816986. Is that what your new company is doing?

@gigavps any idea on when a rig box would show up at my door? I'd buy one if I would have it within 8 weeks.

Yes, it sounds very much like the Icarus, the thought crossed my mind.

Unfortunately, the mini rig-box has a supposed 12 weeks lead time (and we don't know the real time yet).

But even with that lead time, do we know if the unknown company will hold their fast shipping time, given that BFL nominally promises 4-6 weeks for their single.

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Quote from: matthewh3 on April 03, 2012, 11:36:13 AM

Quote from: jamesg on April 03, 2012, 11:33:11 AM

Quote from: matthewh3 on April 03, 2012, 11:17:40 AM

There is a new company coming out and with that kind of money you'd get 6.4GH/s@320W with change as well from your $10,000.

edit: or 7.2GH/s@360W for just a little bit over $10,000.

These prices make almost no sense no matter how little wattage they use. Best value for the money is the mini rig box at $15k for 25Gh.

Are they shipping within three weeks? This is ~800MH/s@40W per FPGA board at $1129 per board plus $20 US shipping and about $70 European shipping (plus my 1BTC per board commission) shipped within three weeks.

Icarus is ~400MH/s@20W for $569. I could get those now, and probably at $469 ea https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.816986. Is that what your new company is doing?

@gigavps any idea on when a rig box would show up at my door? I'd buy one if I would have it within 8 weeks.

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Quote from: matthewh3 on April 03, 2012, 11:40:47 AM

Quote from: wogaut on April 03, 2012, 11:39:22 AM

So, the (illusive) BFL mini rig box sells for roughly 15k$, is supposed to have 25.1GH/s @ 1250W.
Your (not yet public) company's product sells for roughly 10k$, is supposed to have 7.2GH/s @ 360W.

That's 1.67MH/$ on BFL, 0.72MH/$ for your product.
And 20MH/W on BFL, and the same 20MH/W on your product.

@gigavps, sorry for the redundancy, wrote the message while you posted, but submitted it anyways...

No the BFL is twice the wattage for the same hash rate.

The mini-rig box (and full rig-box)is supposed to have 25.1GH/s @ 1250W (50.2GH/s @ 2500W full rig box), that's *getmycalculator* 20MH/W.

...and your 800MH @ 40W are *gettheverysamecalculator* 20MH/W.

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