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November 15, 2019, 04:32:55 AM
#51
What will happen when we will die ?
There are many religious and scientific point of view and theories on this matter.
What is actually logical and what will happen after death ?
one thing i am sure of,and that is we will all go back to the Dust.

and why bother of those things?dead people don't think of everything mate so keep it out of mind.
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November 14, 2019, 11:35:03 PM
#50
No kidding, most esoteric teachings and religions come to the conclusion that when we die, we just get rid of our physical body. Then it is separated from other bodies (the astral body and others, there are 7 of them, as far as I remember). In short, we are returning to our incomprehensible beginning. Then again, a particle from this common principle is introduced into a new body. But this is not always so, also the soul can go to higher levels of knowledge. Therefore, I think reincarnation is the most rational conclusion. The energy is infinite, the soul cannot just disappear (lose its potential).

Even stars appear to have limited lifespan, and (this) universe which appears to be in an expansion phase. But the time periods involved are so huge, its like asking an ant about human lifetime. It might just not be possible for a sentient race to ever answer this question during is blink of existence on a cosmic timescale. What IS this cosmos anyway? Where it came from, where it will go. Big bang what was it? How it came to exist? Its kinda known as the "singularity" that gave birth to (this) universe, but is that all there is? Where did these matter came from and how it got started? Some speculate it is an endless cycle of expansion contraction, but the only thing observable now is expansion that is accelerating.

Do not underestimate thinking either, its not a "complete waste of time". Ask you this question, how could Einstein possibly have found that time was relative? Its not like he had the super precise clocks of today, or spaceships to do measurements with (his theory were only confirmed after humans went into orbit: set two identical clocks observe them remain in sync for a year on Earth, then give one to an Astronaut for a mission weeks or months long; when he returns back his would appear to be late, or "slowed down").

You cannot perceive it, but even the time for someone in the street is a very tiny bit different to someone on the top of the Empire State, this is because things are moving relatively slower close to the ground.

How could possibly someone in the early 20ieth century could possibly correctly guess this? People say "genius" now, but what was it back then? He didn't even live to see that confirmed...

General relativity (GR), also known as the general theory of relativity or (GTR), is the geometric theory of gravitation published by Albert Einstein in 1915 and the current description of gravitation in modern physics. General relativity generalizes special relativity and refines Newton's law of universal gravitation, providing a unified description of gravity as a geometric property of space and time, or spacetime. In particular, the curvature of spacetime is directly related to the energy and momentum of whatever matter and radiation are present. The relation is specified by the Einstein field equations, a system of partial differential equations.

How did he came up with it in 1915? Cosmic revelation? Why would the cosmos bother to reveal rocket flight to an ant? Human imagination? But humans imagine all sort of nonsense all the time, why would this be correct, pure randomness? A broken clock always point the correct hour twice a day? Could there be truths in various spiritual disciplines waiting, but unable to be proved within our lifetimes, or that of our species, even tho they may actually be the truth (or not)?

Seriously stop to think when someone in 1915 tells you your time is different to mine if you are traveling faster. And it was true, the discovered one of the "hidden" laws of this universe, a Jew! Smiley

Couldn't the prophets and wise people of the past somehow "guessed" some things correctly? You know this "Atom" word actually comes from ancient Greece? It turned out "atoms" were not the smallest particle as originally predicted, actually we probably assigned the name too early, before discovering the "sub-atoms" that form them but there happens to be a smallest indivisible particle that only contains energy, a "mysterious" thing that keeps it in motion (and our bodies are built on those, go figure).

Where do the babies get their "programming" from? We know a couple exchanges genetic material, and some "traits" get inherited, but for the most part, this person's "soul" or whatever it is that makes someone do certain things and not certain others, come from.

Asexual reproduction actually doesn't even exchange genetic material, but it still forms a "being" that is not his source. A clone made of you, is NOT you, even it if looks identical to you, it is another being. Because of taboo this hasn't been observed much yet, but eventually it will. Corals do this in nature, by the way. They have the choice of asexual reproduction to growth its population, but its homogeneous offspring could all potentially be weak by single type of, so encountering another coral and exchanging genes is preferred "just in case" (to deliver its species from extinction).

Contrary to what some people believe, the spiritual and scientific paths are not necessarily antagonist, in some things they are, but in many others they share position. Again, someone like Einstein could easily been declared a prophet in the past (or a heretic and burned at the stake). You wouldn't believe how the ancient Romans viewed the universe. There is a book that survived the ages (and the church, etc) its about architecture. Try to read it, its incredible, like a time machine, a look 2000 years into the past, dedicated to Caesar Augustus no less. Some of the things are nonsense, some do make sense within their (limited) cosmic vision of things, and some are incredible approximation to what would only be discovered (or confirmed by science) thousands of years later. Aren't we limited to ours? Surely will be said, 2000 years from now, if humans still exist then.
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November 14, 2019, 08:23:17 PM
#49
No kidding, most esoteric teachings and religions come to the conclusion that when we die, we just get rid of our physical body. Then it is separated from other bodies (the astral body and others, there are 7 of them, as far as I remember). In short, we are returning to our incomprehensible beginning. Then again, a particle from this common principle is introduced into a new body. But this is not always so, also the soul can go to higher levels of knowledge. Therefore, I think reincarnation is the most rational conclusion. The energy is infinite, the soul cannot just disappear (lose its potential).
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November 14, 2019, 07:49:53 PM
#48
................ Live life to the fullest to the best of your ability and try to stay away from things that would keep you from having everlasting joy should we get to the other side and see there is life there.

Long time ago I think after I dead it's just big black nothing, but when I know meaning of love and happiness, I believe must be something very beautiful of there's. And now I try to make something good on my life in this world and after I die.
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November 13, 2019, 11:14:50 PM
#47
Oh, we're not just talking about the body? That depends on your religion. Or someone else's religion if it happened that you are not an adherent of the One True Faith!  Grin

Pascal's wager taken to the extreme I suppose. Either your god is the real one or not. If not then you may suffer under someone else's god. Problematic with the Abrahamics which claim to be following the same god but arguing which way to reach him.

I'd rather have the Buddhist faith be true. If I follow some other religion and that was fake, as long as I was a nice guy, I get a chance to fix it on the next lifetime. Me personally though I'd probably be stuck in the cycle and never achieve nirvana. Grin
legendary
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November 13, 2019, 08:07:07 PM
#46
What if you're waking up from a bad dream every time you get thrown out of a helicopter? Can anybody prove that's not what happens to them?

yes. by questioning every helicopter pilot in the area at the time of your 'sleep'
also by asking doctors to examine you for injuries.

if your uninjured and no helicopter threw anyone out. then it didnt happen

but we have the evidence of notbatman posting here, so it MUST have happened.

 Grin
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November 13, 2019, 06:04:12 PM
#45
What will happen when we will die ?
There are many religious and scientific point of view and theories on this matter.
What is actually logical and what will happen after death ?
Well if we are die maybe we are turning to ashes and our soul are going to heaven and we forget anything pain in our life.
And we can also found out on what these means about in a bible.
But if we die our family will be miss us or a love one just living in this earth.
And before that happen maybe we should expend our time to them.
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November 11, 2019, 08:22:58 AM
#44
You stiffen (ironic if you can't get it up alive) and then you start decomposing and you rot if you don't get embalmed. After that you continue to rot after burial (unless you are cremated of course).

Oh, we're not just talking about the body? That depends on your religion. Or someone else's religion if it happened that you are not an adherent of the One True Faith!  Grin
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November 11, 2019, 07:31:39 AM
#43
What if you're waking up from a bad dream every time you get thrown out of a helicopter? Can anybody prove that's not what happens to them?

yes. by questioning every helicopter pilot in the area at the time of your 'sleep'
also by asking doctors to examine you for injuries.

if your uninjured and no helicopter threw anyone out. then it didnt happen
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November 11, 2019, 02:50:48 AM
#42
What is matter, how real, how solid is it? Why does it dance, who calls the tune?

A question for another thread. Assuming we have one somewhere on atomic physics. Matter is almost entirely empty space. Electrons have no physical size. But who calls the tune? Science.
legendary
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November 10, 2019, 03:43:46 PM
#41
What if you're waking up from a bad dream every time you get thrown out of a helicopter? Can anybody prove that's not what happens to them?

What is matter, how real, how solid is it? Why does it dance, who calls the tune?
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November 10, 2019, 02:38:11 PM
#40
For me, bothering about what will happen after death is a waste of time for two reasons:

1. There is nothing you can do about it and

2. You probably won't know whatever is going on.

For the blunt guy about the decay and maggot feasting on the body, the moment you can feel it, you are not bothered their own prayers just got answered about seeing a new big meat. To the hopefuls of meeting and seeing our loved ones, I think we can only decide for ourselves when we get there. Live life to the fullest to the best of your ability and try to stay away from things that would keep you from having everlasting joy should we get to the other side and see there is life there.
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November 10, 2019, 01:15:34 PM
#39
Well, our consciousness lives on. Consciousness can't really die, because for something to end, it has to have a start, our consciousness had no beginning. Our bodies had a beginning when we took birth, but our consciousness, self awareness is something more than just brain vibrations. It lives on, without a memory to store what it experiences after every instance, but it experiences every instant there after.
legendary
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November 10, 2019, 01:09:05 PM
#38
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A flawed analogy. Fetuses in the womb have empirical evidence that there is an existence outside of the womb they live. They can feel the movement of their mother. They can hear sounds for the external world. They can feel people palpating their mother's abdomen. They react to changes in their mother's hormone levels. We have not a single shred of evidence that there is any existence beyond the life we live.

Once again, without being disrespectful, I'm not interested in beliefs, analogies, feelings, or similar. Science is based on evidence. The evidence does not support your position.
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November 10, 2019, 02:26:37 AM
#37
^^^ Are you claiming that death is a hoax?

I have asked this question here and few of the people do believe that death is an Hoax. Few believe that there is another world after the death while many of them says that we will just decay after death and that's all in life.

I think no one has gone come back after the death to tell us what exactly happened after the death but its scary. Isn't ?

Yes, it's scary. But I do also think that the inevitability of death helps to give meaning to life. It makes every second precious.
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November 10, 2019, 02:20:57 AM
#36
^^^ Are you claiming that death is a hoax?

I have asked this question here and few of the people do believe that death is an Hoax. Few believe that there is another world after the death while many of them says that we will just decay after death and that's all in life.

I think no one has gone come back after the death to tell us what exactly happened after the death but its scary. Isn't ?
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November 10, 2019, 01:39:01 AM
#35
^^^ Are you claiming that death is a hoax?

Death is not a hoax because we have observable, verifiable and easily replicable evidence.
Life after death however...
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November 10, 2019, 01:27:58 AM
#34
It is not as simple and i know i will not be able to convince you because its a spiritual concept but believe me all of us will be wake up again for the judgement day.
I choose not to believe you. You have no way of knowing what you are claiming, and there is zero evidence to support your position.

I am not interested in what other people think, feel, believe, etc. If you have evidence to support your position I'm all ears, but all evidence suggests there is no such thing as life after death.

Unfortunately, when have no way to know what happens with a dead person, so whatever i will say i have no evidence to show you.
But i can give you one example as there are three stages on people life.

1- He is in the mother Womb and that's a whole world where he breathes drink eat etc and one day find out that it was a small temporary place when he come to a bigger world on earth.

2- He thinks that he is living in this earth and this is all until he falls to death which is a transformation from this world to the next stage.

3- When you will reach the last phase of your life, in heaven or hell, then you will think the time you spend on the earth was just temporary and now you are living in bigger world forever.

legendary
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November 09, 2019, 09:55:57 PM
#33
^^^ Are you claiming that death is a hoax?
legendary
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November 09, 2019, 09:40:45 PM
#32
I should point out that observation of death does not equal experience. Can anybody here claim to have personally experienced death?

That's why it is faith in God that is important.

We can see by nature that God exists. But we need to know that we are going to find eternal life. We don't know it, however. We simply believe that God has prepared it for us... except if we don't believe, that is. And that is what God requires... that we believe him.

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