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You forgot to put a rational though in your argument because at the current rate of ~$240, I dont see any reason for the number of miners to keep on increasing and pump up the difficulty into such high number while they are already losing their chance to breakeven if the current diff is double of the current one

right now for $240 to be profitable at today's difficulty, a miner needs to have an efficiency of .77 J/GH if they pay 13.5 cents per kWh. You can buy an Antminer S5 and run it at .5 J/GH so you would be profitable and keep adding hashpower.

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The more people that use dollars doesn't make it more expensive (although the demand for loans might raise interest rates).
Do not assume that if bitcoin gains widespread appeal its price will automatically go up. But there is a limited supply you say and demand is unbounded potentially.

Ok fine, but the mechanism by which the price will increase will be due to the difficulty increasing, causing the cost of bitcoin mining to increase. With a block reward of 25, an average cost of electricity of 13.5 cents per kWh and an average mining hardware energy efficiency of 0.75 J/GH, you get a breakeven price of $1,000 when the mining difficulty is around 210 billion.

Your first and second argument are actually countering each another . First argument is that you are denying that demands will actually helps BTC to reach a higher price while on the second argument you are saying that the BTC difficulty will be the parameter for the increasing price

Now, how will the difficulty increase? By having alot more miners which means that the demands for BTC is increasing otherwise we will never have more miners . So demands are the key for this, also I would say that your post is quite impressive to have count the breakeven price for it at the 210 billion difficulty but i'd say it rather baseless and unlogical.

You forgot to put a rational thought in your argument because at the current rate of ~$240, I dont see any reason for the number of miners to keep on increasing and pump up the difficulty into such high number while they are already losing their chance to breakeven if the current diff is double of the current one
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Thug for life!

Could we say part of the fall out of btc biggest turned down was MTGOX at some point things started to get all negative from there, well even with that we now have major companies that accept bitcoin has a form of payment.
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Will Bitcoin Rise Again to $60,000?
consider it like 21 million shares of stock. bitcoin market is expanding into new territories each year.
Bitcoin is still bigger than before. 1000$ is possible within 2-3 years or sooner.

I would deff have to agree with this, the only reason its down right now is because the bears want it down to scoop more. With Greece being in the news with money issue, Bitcoin will fill that void and many others over the next few years. Short term thinking isn't healthy here, long term 10 year plan is what will be exciting and eventful.
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What Will it Take For BTC to Reach $1000?

Let's discuss.

It will take a mining difficulty of around 210,000,000,000 or higher.


No need to get that far, if a lot of people who have to know about technology bitcoin and evenly in use throughout the world,
would have easily bitcoin reached the price that much

The more people that use dollars doesn't make it more expensive (although the demand for loans might raise interest rates).
Do not assume that if bitcoin gains widespread appeal its price will automatically go up. But there is a limited supply you say and demand is unbounded potentially. Ok fine, but the mechanism by which the price will increase will be due to the difficulty increasing, causing the cost of bitcoin mining to increase. With a block reward of 25, an average cost of electricity of 13.5 cents per kWh and an average mining hardware energy efficiency of 0.75 J/GH, you get a breakeven price of $1,000 when the mining difficulty is around 210 billion.

legendary
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GREXIT  , greece's debt default Grin Cheesy

they also said that they don't like bitcoin particularly, but more its technology, the blochchain

They? Did the whole country said that? Smiley

That's interesting because most Greeks do not even know what is bitcoin.

Their prime gangster said that he dislikes btc...

well obviously no, it was one notorious from their country, or one politician, i don't remember now exactly, it is an old news

maybe Yanis Varoufakis but i'm not sure
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GREXIT  , greece's debt default Grin Cheesy

they also said that they don't like bitcoin particularly, but more its technology, the blochchain

They? Did the whole country said that? Smiley

That's interesting because most Greeks do not even know what is bitcoin.

Their prime gangster said that he dislikes btc...
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why people are giving so much importance to greece exiting the euro, they were never a strong country in term of economy, when they joined euro they were already a bit poor, the crisis just hit them hard because of that, and nothing will really change if they exit the euro, especially not bitcoin

they also said that they don't like bitcoin particularly, but more its technology, the blochchain

Because small effects that can lead to severe consequences (the butterfly effect). Greece can be just the first domino the fall of which will likely cause a chain reaction that could possibly lead to Europe complete disintegration with the Euro sinking into oblivion...

i know that i have wrote it in another thread, but it is only a possible theory, just pure speculation,

nothing really say that it will happen, what i really think is that if greece leave it will only fade away , and thye don't want to leave because it is a bit risky for them to not have their ass covered by the central bank
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why people are giving so much importance to greece exiting the euro, they were never a strong country in term of economy, when they joined euro they were already a bit poor, the crisis just hit them hard because of that, and nothing will really change if they exit the euro, especially not bitcoin

they also said that they don't like bitcoin particularly, but more its technology, the blochchain

Because small effects that can lead to severe consequences (the butterfly effect). Greece can be just the first domino the fall of which will likely cause a chain reaction that could possibly lead to Europe complete disintegration with the Euro sinking into oblivion...
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What Will it Take For BTC to Reach $1000?

Let's discuss.

It will take a mining difficulty of around 210,000,000,000 or higher.


No need to get that far, if a lot of people who have to know about technology bitcoin and evenly in use throughout the world,
would have easily bitcoin reached the price that much
legendary
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GREXIT  , greece's debt default Grin Cheesy

why people are giving so much importance to greece exiting the euro, they were never a strong country in term of economy, when they joined euro they were already a bit poor, the crisis just hit them hard because of that, and nothing will really change if they exit the euro, especially not bitcoin

they also said that they don't like bitcoin particularly, but more its technology, the blochchain
sr. member
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What Will it Take For BTC to Reach $1000?

Let's discuss.

It will take a mining difficulty of around 210,000,000,000 or higher.

legendary
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Satoshi is rolling in his grave. #bitcoin
consider it like 21 million shares of stock. bitcoin market is expanding into new territories each year.
Bitcoin is still bigger than before. 1000$ is possible within 2-3 years or sooner.

I think comparing or looking at it as a stock is a good way. It's only logical that if the demand for bitcoin rises then so will the price. Personally I think bitcoin probably hasn't even reached a few percent of its true potential yet. Imagine if every online store accepted it or half the stores on your highstreet or mall. Maybe even a country adopts it due to an unstable economy. The value could go through the  roof so I think 1k is a very reasonable value and could be far exceeded.

There's no need for "many online stores to accept it", you just need targeted audience to invest in it and ure done, the massive news flood would follow and every opportunity catcher would
invest in it aswel, pushing the price way beyond 1000$. Look at how we 1st came to ATH of 1250$, and now imagine if such news coverage happens again.. 1000$ is nothing, but still it can't be
reached by current game of cat and mouse. All people need is incentive, and both bears and bulls would be bitcoin cosuming predators.

cheers
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GREXIT  , greece's debt default Grin Cheesy
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Clueless!
consider it like 21 million shares of stock. bitcoin market is expanding into new territories each year.
Bitcoin is still bigger than before. 1000$ is possible within 2-3 years or sooner.

I think comparing or looking at it as a stock is a good way. It's only logical that if the demand for bitcoin rises then so will the price. Personally I think bitcoin probably hasn't even reached a few percent of its true potential yet. Imagine if every online store accepted it or half the stores on your highstreet or mall. Maybe even a country adopts it due to an unstable economy. The value could go through the  roof so I think 1k is a very reasonable value and could be far exceeded.

even more modest then that it could find a niche in just international money xfer from nations with corrupt banks/gov't etc and the low fees

hell that would be enough alone to have BTC do quite nicely imho

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consider it like 21 million shares of stock. bitcoin market is expanding into new territories each year.
Bitcoin is still bigger than before. 1000$ is possible within 2-3 years or sooner.

I think comparing or looking at it as a stock is a good way. It's only logical that if the demand for bitcoin rises then so will the price. Personally I think bitcoin probably hasn't even reached a few percent of its true potential yet. Imagine if every online store accepted it or half the stores on your highstreet or mall. Maybe even a country adopts it due to an unstable economy. The value could go through the  roof so I think 1k is a very reasonable value and could be far exceeded.
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I think they are legal in every county, don't quote me though.

Cant help myself with such wrong post so here it is, a list where you can see about the legality of BTC in each country

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_bitcoin_by_country

Last time it happened because of demand increasing dramatically and supply not being high enough

The rally that happened in 2013 was actually had nothing to do with demands, I would say " Real Demands" . It is most likely manipulated by putting in some buy pressure and voila Panic buy happened that keep on driving the price up.

so if we wanted it to happen again, bitcoin would have to be in such high demand that we are not selling enough

Absolutely wrong, If there is such high demands (buy order) then I doubt a trader will be holding himself of not to dump on it. Unless the same manipulation happened again which bulk buy order that keep on getting on the sell wall to create another panic buy scenario for it. Even though it is like that, those who buy will eventually sell them at the top so it will be back to square one unless there is a "real demands" on it

or we would have to "burn" bitcoins and make them more rare.

Absolutely no point to do that for the time being because there are 25 more coins that is generated every 10 minutes now (plus or less)
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consider it like 21 million shares of stock. bitcoin market is expanding into new territories each year.
Bitcoin is still bigger than before. 1000$ is possible within 2-3 years or sooner.
legendary
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maybe if bitcoin is really important and so harder to find and get it,and so many countries has legalized it and more big company using it as payment it would be reach $1000 or more

I think they are legal in every county, don't quote me though.

no there are still country that are not accepting it, or they have a very heavy restriction

in thailand for example is illegal in vietnam too, and many others

still they can't track you so easily, so many are using it even in those nation
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2014 to happen all over again I guess...
Last time it happened because of demand increasing dramatically and supply not being high enough, so if we wanted it to happen again, bitcoin would have to be in such high demand that we are not selling enough (which would be very rare) or we would have to "burn" bitcoins and make them more rare.
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