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legendary
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September 13, 2019, 06:05:14 AM
#69
If you look at the jumps Bitcoin makes percentage wise then 500%-2000% is realistic for the next jump.
So that's $80k to $360k.... If we have a bad jump we will have $80k...
Also the halving basically guaranteed $38k....
$25k is unrealistically low and is highly unlikely. To me your math don't add up.

That's my opinion as well, but it all depends what theory of markets you cater to. Not everyone expects past performance to guarantee future results. In Elliott Wave theory, Wave 3 is usually the strongest, and Wave 5 tends towards certain fib extension levels. That's why xxxx123abcxxxx is only expecting $30K or so, or really anything beyond the 2017 high. He's been spot on with his last few calls, so maybe there's something to it.

I can follow the reasoning in this too. But $20k is just too low...
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September 12, 2019, 09:41:32 PM
#68
It will take a huge flippening on the government's part to make it happen. If they ever happen to give up on destroying bitcoin or to stop damaging its reputation early then then we can see $250k after a year it happens. But I don't think this war between the government and decentralization is going to end and will take more 4-5 years before so that is the only thing that stops us from seeing a 6-digit btc value.
sr. member
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September 12, 2019, 03:42:04 PM
#67
2024 July 3rd 3:04pm central standard time when the first time traveler from the future comes back and tells everyone rocket ships run on bitcoin in the Age of Aquarius.
legendary
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September 12, 2019, 03:31:55 PM
#66
If you look at the jumps Bitcoin makes percentage wise then 500%-2000% is realistic for the next jump.
So that's $80k to $360k.... If we have a bad jump we will have $80k...
Also the halving basically guaranteed $38k....
$25k is unrealistically low and is highly unlikely. To me your math don't add up.

That's my opinion as well, but it all depends what theory of markets you cater to. Not everyone expects past performance to guarantee future results. In Elliott Wave theory, Wave 3 is usually the strongest, and Wave 5 tends towards certain fib extension levels. That's why xxxx123abcxxxx is only expecting $30K or so, or really anything beyond the 2017 high. He's been spot on with his last few calls, so maybe there's something to it.
legendary
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September 12, 2019, 02:45:48 PM
#65
my wild guess in 2021.

in terms of fractals, the current chart looks like early 2016 to me. that suggests the next bubble top is 1.5-2 years away, and i think $250k is very possible in the next cycle.
I believe 2021 as well.

Really? you expect such a rise coming true in 2 years?
This increase is just crazy... I don't think it will ever happen apart from the fact, a war happens and people start buying bitcoin in order to store the value of their money.

Your account date tells me you have never seen bitcoin pump.
Once raw greed gets unleashed, bitcoin turns into a global black friday sale, and it explodes.
The last pumps were unreal, however due to the increase of bitcoin, those pumps are a blip on the current chart.
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September 12, 2019, 02:38:43 PM
#64
my wild guess in 2021.

in terms of fractals, the current chart looks like early 2016 to me. that suggests the next bubble top is 1.5-2 years away, and i think $250k is very possible in the next cycle.
I believe 2021 as well.

Really? you expect such a rise coming true in 2 years?
This increase is just crazy... I don't think it will ever happen apart from the fact, a war happens and people start buying bitcoin in order to store the value of their money.
legendary
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September 12, 2019, 01:59:00 PM
#63
my wild guess in 2021.

in terms of fractals, the current chart looks like early 2016 to me. that suggests the next bubble top is 1.5-2 years away, and i think $250k is very possible in the next cycle.
I believe 2021 as well.

I just hope you guys are right. Waiting for the next bubble sucks Cheesy
Sorry but I feel the hopes and speculations of many people are quite childish, agree that the value of bitcoin can pump quickly and surpass many calculated brains but somewhere, it always needs real limits and prices that bitcoin can reach. $20k or $25k is a number that  I and many people will have no objections, however, $250k is a huge number, it breaks all the rules and the limited calculations, the market and many big investors will not accept this price when it can create huge war on dumping.

Ok perspective (rough numbers)

2010 - $0.08
2011 - $1.00
2012 - $260
2013 - $1200
2014 - $700
2015 - $500
2016 - $750
2017 - $19000

If you look at the jumps Bitcoin makes percentage wise then 500%-2000% is realistic for the next jump.
So that's $80k to $360k.... If we have a bad jump we will have $80k...
Also the halving basically guaranteed $38k....

$25k is unrealistically low and is highly unlikely. To me your math don't add up.
legendary
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September 12, 2019, 09:11:00 AM
#62
250k is waaaaaay too further away to happen in 2021. I mean its still at least 2 years away so maybe you can say that 250k is away but 2021 is away as well but honestly 2 years is not as further away as 250k. Right now we are on a marketcap that is 180 billion or so (changes a few Bil time to time) in order to get to 250k that would mean around 4.5 TRILLION marketcap.

Now that may happen eventually and I am not saying it is impossible but from 180 billion marketcap to 4.5 trillion market cap is certainly something very very difficult to achieve. Not to include that if bitcoin goes that high I am pretty sure that would mean other altcoins would increase a bit as well, not like there will be 4.5 trillion dollar bitcoin and the next biggest will be like 5 billion. So for now we gotta wait for at least a decade if you ask me.
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September 11, 2019, 06:31:50 PM
#61
my wild guess in 2021.

in terms of fractals, the current chart looks like early 2016 to me. that suggests the next bubble top is 1.5-2 years away, and i think $250k is very possible in the next cycle.
I believe 2021 as well.

I just hope you guys are right. Waiting for the next bubble sucks Cheesy
Sorry but I feel the hopes and speculations of many people are quite childish, agree that the value of bitcoin can pump quickly and surpass many calculated brains but somewhere, it always needs real limits and prices that bitcoin can reach. $20k or $25k is a number that  I and many people will have no objections, however, $250k is a huge number, it breaks all the rules and the limited calculations, the market and many big investors will not accept this price when it can create huge war on dumping.
It doesn't break any rule, $250,000 isn't an impossible number.
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September 11, 2019, 08:34:51 AM
#60
my wild guess in 2021.

in terms of fractals, the current chart looks like early 2016 to me. that suggests the next bubble top is 1.5-2 years away, and i think $250k is very possible in the next cycle.
I believe 2021 as well.

I just hope you guys are right. Waiting for the next bubble sucks Cheesy
Sorry but I feel the hopes and speculations of many people are quite childish, agree that the value of bitcoin can pump quickly and surpass many calculated brains but somewhere, it always needs real limits and prices that bitcoin can reach. $20k or $25k is a number that  I and many people will have no objections, however, $250k is a huge number, it breaks all the rules and the limited calculations, the market and many big investors will not accept this price when it can create huge war on dumping.
legendary
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September 11, 2019, 04:44:41 AM
#59
my wild guess in 2021.

in terms of fractals, the current chart looks like early 2016 to me. that suggests the next bubble top is 1.5-2 years away, and i think $250k is very possible in the next cycle.
I believe 2021 as well.

I just hope you guys are right. Waiting for the next bubble sucks Cheesy
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September 11, 2019, 02:58:57 AM
#58
my wild guess in 2021.

in terms of fractals, the current chart looks like early 2016 to me. that suggests the next bubble top is 1.5-2 years away, and i think $250k is very possible in the next cycle.
I believe 2021 as well.
legendary
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September 08, 2019, 06:18:59 AM
#57
I’d laugh my ass of if we get there next year  Grin
sr. member
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September 08, 2019, 06:11:54 AM
#56
I believe this will happen around 2025-2030 as we are not ready year for worldwide adaptation and also the advertising wasn’t enough for this to become reality

But of course we all believe the possibility of achieving this soon depend on how the volatility will brings us
STT
legendary
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September 07, 2019, 06:33:09 PM
#55
I dont agree with the measure is what it comes down to I guess.  I think its inaccurate to consider value like this and I know personally from small trading a market is easily saturated by excess supply, the active turnover relates to market cap and I found a link to justify this some.
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   I was remembering this from a long time ago but its very relevant and quoted every day in in the S&P 500 stock index.  It was changed as of 2004 to reflect the actively traded stock which is correct and I agree with and should be considered for many markets imo.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/sp-move-to-float-adjusted-indexes-will-create-turnover
  
The only asset I can think of where I would say its justified is gold assets, some of this stock has not changed location since the 1930's and in some cases the ownership has been the same that whole time too.    It still represents value because the issued notes of each central bank are in some way backed by the asset value deposited and left seemingly liquid.
    We are obviously very far into a FIAT money setup now but its still arguable this gold is due payable in exchange for the debt and notes of a country and could be placed in demand for exchange of goods traded.   Libya, Venezuela and I think Iran are the most recent examples of large transfers of gold for use in trade even when that gold had not been used in decades.

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that doesn't mean $1 trillion in actual capital needs to be re-allocated from other markets. Market cap is much easier to inflate than that based on supply being withheld from market. If there is only 1,000 BTC of ask side liquidity between $10K and $11K, it only takes $10 million to increase the market cap nearly $20 billion.
Basically I agree with you, considering every BTC coin mined previously is not right.  Thats deliberate inaccuracy and exaggerates BTC size and something crooked imo like XRP or many alt coins are very off their official figures I guess.
   However I think some of those trillions in dollars contained in treasury debt for various countries will never come near crypto; hence we will need to see a larger move elsewhere to make waves of some magnitude in BTC.   Someone said in another thread, when central banks start buying crypto; they never will.   ECB, BOJ, FED and China will buy SDR which is still Fiat with some gold, they will never be buying privately controlled (as they see it) money.
 
  I have to mention QE programs themselves promote this thinking, most of the new debt produced is held by government itself in public pension schemes.  In thirty years when that debt is payable to pensioners who earnt that value, we will find out whats it worth or what was lost.  
 I feel obliged to say I think everyone should own at least a tiny bit of gold (for decades or pension like holds of value) because of all this incorrect thinking in economies and all of us will lose money from the failures and fallacies in QE.  
 I need to find a source because I'm not qualified its just my opinion all dollar prices are incorrectly stated hence BTC 250k can occur etc.     Its a house of cards waiting to collapse because stating value not openly traded is false, QE is a bad system and counting Satoshi's wallet as BTC market cap is wrong.
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If there is only 1,000 BTC of ask side liquidity between $10K and $11K, it only takes $10 million to increase the market cap nearly $20 billion.

This explains why the price declines as supply comes online at the higher prices.    Its not available there initially but people will bring it to exchange as they observe the higher price.   Thats why I always expect some digestion in the price as we pullback we observe where it might start the next leg higher or hopefully notice if its not holding its ground.
legendary
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September 07, 2019, 04:55:51 PM
#54
Its a big subject, I might be getting over my a head a little which is why I'm always open to discussion but my basic take is illiquid value is not included in valuation such as market cap.   Satoshi's BTC is of no relevance, it hasnt been traded and wont be ever so it seems.    Those coins lost are not included in BTC value and I believe stock indexes ignore company stock not traded though I didnt find a link to back that up.

In the stock market, market cap is calculated based on all outstanding shares, not just the float. And that's basically how everyone discusses the "size" of any market. People say the gold market is worth $7 Trillion because that's the spot price multiplied by the known supply. That's how everyone talks about Bitcoin too; nobody accounts for lost coins or static coins that are unlikely to be sold.

And maybe that's fine for visualizing the magnitude of value abstractly "held" in BTC. But it tells us very little about the real supply and demand that actually determines spot prices. Essentially, my theory is that Bitcoin is prone to dramatically less supply pressure than fiat money or gold, and this cannot be reflected by market cap.

If Bitcoin's market cap increases by $1 trillion, that doesn't mean $1 trillion in actual capital needs to be re-allocated from other markets. Market cap is much easier to inflate than that based on supply being withheld from market. If there is only 1,000 BTC of ask side liquidity between $10K and $11K, it only takes $10 million to increase the market cap nearly $20 billion.

Seems BTC velocity is not changing greatly over the years but with a varation between years far more then the convential money supply which is obviously giant.   If they can compare BTC small as it is to US dollars used all over the world directly not having to scale it, seems to suggest the turnover for BTC must be far greater per coin.

https://charts.woobull.com/bitcoin-velocity/

The chart doesn't actually show USD velocity. I don't understand why he plots BTC velocity against USD supply. It looks like curve fitting to make a currency vs. investment claim about Bitcoin. I also don't think his definition of velocity fits the conventional one. He's looking at total transaction value rather than controlling for change addresses.
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September 07, 2019, 04:16:19 PM
#53
Bitcoin will reach that price when countries start swapping their USD reserve for BTC.
Right now a few have suggested it but nothing concrete yet, so I'd say 2030 or something like that.
STT
legendary
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September 07, 2019, 04:06:07 PM
#52
Its a big subject, I might be getting over my a head a little which is why I'm always open to discussion but my basic take is illiquid value is not included in valuation such as market cap.   Satoshi's BTC is of no relevance, it hasnt been traded and wont be ever so it seems.    Those coins lost are not included in BTC value and I believe stock indexes ignore company stock not traded though I didnt find a link to back that up.

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Seems BTC velocity is not changing greatly over the years but with a varation between years far more then the convential money supply which is obviously giant.   If they can compare BTC small as it is to US dollars used all over the world directly not having to scale it, seems to suggest the turnover for BTC must be far greater per coin.

https://charts.woobull.com/bitcoin-velocity/
legendary
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September 07, 2019, 02:49:43 PM
#51
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Bitcoin's low velocity of money and lack of ask side liquidity. The rules that apply to fiat money and gold don't apply to Bitcoin
i thought BTC had a high velocity and hence why its worth more then people imagine it could be.  Maybe I'm just thinking of the trades done on exchanges because I'd agree actual business and price agreed in open market matters more.

Compared to fiat money I would assume its velocity is extremely low, since fiat money is the medium for most of the world's transactions. We're talking about supply chains, payrolls, everyone's day-to-day expenses.

Bitcoin is at the other extreme, with the majority of the supply never moving and 20% of the supply believed to be lost. If half the supply doesn't move and only a small fraction of circulating BTC are available on spot/OTC markets, this means its market capitalization (compared to fiat) is effectively exaggerated by at least an order of magnitude. That is why I think comparing the shear "size" of these markets is a dangerous approach that drastically sells Bitcoin's prospects short.

Liquidity vacuums (like we saw in the 2017 bubble) are powerful too. No ask side liquidity means price can spike to $1 million a lot easier than it can sustain it.
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September 07, 2019, 02:29:06 PM
#50
my vote goes to 2024, on one hand i dont think that btc will reach this price ever, on the other hand i see a scenario where bitcoin reach 200k and even 500k $. It depends on the global economy, if we see some more countries with hyperinflation within the next years, i think it could be a catalyst for btc to reach 250k very fast.
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