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Quote from: LDL on February 13, 2023, 04:49:01 AM

I have been wanting to know the answer to a question in the forum for some time, the question seems simple to everyone, but to me the question is very important.

How to post on bitcoin forum using artificial intelligence system?

Posts that have been recognized as AI generated have actually been flagged as spam as its all gibberish.

Quote from: LDL on February 13, 2023, 04:49:01 AM

And is anyone on this forum using the AI writing system?

I don't think anybody using it will give an open answer to this Roll Eyes

Quote from: LDL on February 13, 2023, 04:49:01 AM

What are the pros and cons of using AI writing systems?

Most likely cons will be plagiarism as these A.Is work by referencing other people's work and not creating unique content...

Quote from: LDL on February 13, 2023, 04:49:01 AM

AI writing post against forum policy?

No such a policy here as far as I know, but if this content is spam or plagiarized you risk your account being banned!!!

Quote from: LDL on February 13, 2023, 04:49:01 AM

A popular campaign manager on this forum @Royse777 has a cautionary rule about this in his managed signature campaign policy. So are we to assume that AI writing posts is against forum policy?

What you described here is campaign managers policy and not the forums guidelines or anything...

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on January 11, 2023, 01:47:50 AM

To prevent AI domination effective from today we are introducing an incentive for forum users. Find AI written posts on this campaign
and report to me either in public or in forum PM, please be sure you have enough reference to support the claim. For successful report
the reporter will receive the weekly payment instead of the accused campaigner. The campaigner will be removed immediately.

Thanks for the heads up, wasn't even aware such a bounty offer existed.

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Even though its good whats AI produced that only applicable to new topic post plus if you not divuldge that its an AI content then likely it belongs to plagiarism. Anything you didnt make yourself and failute to write reference is plagiarism. Maybe you could do that to understand and see how to write a good reply or post but not to the point that you used the control C and V just to make a good post.

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Quote from: robelneo on February 13, 2023, 09:00:16 AM

Honestly I cannot even post as good as that reply generated by AI

I think that this should be the defining moment. If you look at AI-generated posts and then go back to user-generated posts, there is likely to be a difference in spelling. Especially when you consider that this bot will be used by users who are bad at English and in some questions on topics.
But while there is no clear rule, and AI lovers can post here, but I want to say that some of the phrases that the AI bot pulls out from different texts are long enough, after which one can easily accuse the one who uses AI of plagiarism.
Again, there are many newcomers here, and many do not know how the cleaning bot from plagiarism walked around the forum. At that time, many accounts were banned for copying one sentence.
Anyone who values their account should think about it. It is likely that this plagiarized machine may one day repeat its purge.

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Ai is a tool that generates content based on keywords and writes them properly. There is lot of Ai tools out there on the internet.

Quote from: LDL on February 13, 2023, 04:49:01 AM

And is anyone on this forum using the AI writing system?

I think a very few people use Ai for posting on this forum, because Ai posts will not be that specific to make conversation about a topic/thread.

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The policy of @Royse777 in the campaign he manages is very reasonable, he really hates spammers and wants to eradicate spammers in his own way. In the post @Royse777 that you quoted, there he will pay the reporter who finds the participant posting using AI. I strongly support eradicating the use of AI in forums because apart from creating low quality posts, users who use AI are very disrespectful to other users. Discussions initiated by humans must be responded to by humans.

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Quote from: Ryker1 on February 13, 2023, 08:44:10 AM

Quote from: Coyster on February 13, 2023, 08:33:16 AM

Quote from: Ryker1 on February 13, 2023, 07:50:31 AM

but on this AI bot, I don't know if they exist on this forum.

It doesn't exist on the forum per se, people who don't want to be unique and post things out of their own knowledge use it to make posts on the forum, though it is against the rules.

So it means no one using it at the moment?
One last question, if you know there is someone using an AI bot --are they able to quote post too? ^{[like what I did?]}

Of course users are using it, what i meant by "it doesn't exist in the forum per se" is that the users who use some of these AI bots are real humans who use bots to answer questions and communicate on the forum (and can quote posts too), what they do is that when they want to make a post on the forum, they copy what the discussion/question is about and paste it in the text box in their AI application/website, and whatever response they are given, they basically come back to the forum and paste it here as their own thought on the topic, or use it to start a new topic.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on February 13, 2023, 06:22:07 AM

Quote from: LDL on February 13, 2023, 04:49:01 AM

Some of your questions were answered in the older topic: Good Initiative by Royse777!
I've also given there a link to a post I think that it's AI generated; but you may want to read my explanation before the AI post.

Another interesting (imho) point was discussed here: what if the user name tells that it's using AI for answers, is it still plagiarizing?

This AI is now a hot topic here, I know that AI is a big help to so many industries but using it by members to get paid using AI is not healthy in forum discussions and it contributes to cheating it took me a lot of minutes and of editing on my post to get it within the topic and we have members here copy pasting questions and answers using AI this is very unfair.

Out of curiosity, I check one AI and use one exert in one of the questions on one topic
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/it-is-ok-to-sell-your-bitcoin-5435023

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What is your major reason for HODLing and how do your survive the bear market?

Honestly I cannot even post as good as that reply generated by AI

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Quote from: Ryker1 on February 13, 2023, 07:50:31 AM

I am new to this.
Can you tell me how to spot them? Are you using tools to this determine the AI user?
Or it is simply because they are having low-quality posts means they are using AI bots on posting here in the forum.

Conversely, output from ChatGPT has good English...
But since it's a bot, it has no opinion/perspective, so it won't use strong language to persuade. It rarely uses phrases, I, I think, You, IMO, etc.
It also over-explains things, try inputting "What's AI Written Post?" on ChatGPT, It'll starts with the definition, the example, the conclusion, and it'll repeat "AI written post" keyword frequently. This format/pattern is easily noticeable.

Oh, the bot also can't write personal experiences (memories) among other flaws. Perhaps you can instruct the bot to include phrases/things I mention so it will be harder to detect, but normal users won't be bothered to do that.

Quote from: ajiz138 on February 13, 2023, 08:07:07 AM

Yeah, I tried using several AI detection tools but the results are not the same, sometimes it's wrong to look at ChatGPT posts or from humans whether it's really AI or not and actually there is no accurate detector that is correct to prove that it's a post AI.

Try google "GPT Detector" and you'll find many websites. Just test which one you like the most. But you should be able to suspect/detect a post before using these tools. It is only for confirming your suspicions.

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Quote from: ajiz138 on February 13, 2023, 08:07:07 AM

Yeah, I tried using several AI detection tools but the results are not the same, sometimes it's wrong to look at ChatGPT posts or from humans whether it's really AI or not and actually there is no accurate detector that is correct to prove that it's a post AI.
So I'm also still exploring this to see the differences between AI and human posts, this is still confusing for myself or others while other people's suggestions if the post is low then just report it to the moderator.

So there is no way to rig off this AI post because there are no accurate tools to use in detecting them right?
So perhaps it means human users that act as AI? --the result is low-quality posts. ^[laziness]

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Quote from: Ryker1 on February 13, 2023, 07:50:31 AM

but on this AI bot, I don't know if they exist on this forum.

It doesn't exist on the forum per se, people who don't want to be unique and post things out of their own knowledge use it to make posts on the forum, though it is against the rules.

So it means no one using it at the moment?
One last question, if you know there is someone using an AI bot --are they able to quote post too? ^{[like what I did?]}

Quote from: PrivacyG on February 13, 2023, 08:38:35 AM

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Please, do not even bother trying to use it on the Forum unless there is something actually valuable you are bringing to it. I think many of us are so sick of bots already.

Is this bot what you mean by a chatGPT?
https://chat.openai.com/auth/login
It seems only use in a chatroom as a bot chat but not in a forum.

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It should be against the Forum policy if some body is using Chat GPT to post replies and threads as if they were a real person behind the user. Convenience is probably the only pro of using Chat GPT. Cons are many.

Think about it. Some body comes over to Bitcoin Talk and asks a very specific question about Bitcoin Wallets. Ten users reply, out of which eight are posts generated by AI. This will cause a lot of misinformation due to the imperfect accuracy of Chat GPT. Or, you start a debate and five users are arguing through Chat GPT. This would be an endless debate between nobody and therefore it is so unnecessary honestly.

Please, do not even bother trying to use it on the Forum unless there is something actually valuable you are bringing to it. I think many of us are so sick of bots already.

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Quote from: Ryker1 on February 13, 2023, 07:50:31 AM

Can you tell me how to spot them? Are you using tools to this determine the AI user?
Or it is simply because they are having low-quality posts means they are using AI bots on posting here in the forum.

Low quality posts doesn't denote/connote that the post was written by an AI writing system, individuals can write low quality posts off their own head/knowledge. Out of ones own intuition, they could spot a post that looks like it was written by an AI bot, but it is somewhat difficult to be certain, even with the aid of detectors. The thing is, if you suspect a post was written through that means, report it.

Quote from: Ryker1 on February 13, 2023, 07:50:31 AM

but on this AI bot, I don't know if they exist on this forum.

It doesn't exist on the forum per se, people who don't want to be unique and post things out of their own knowledge use it to make posts on the forum, though it is against the rules.

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Using AI to make posts on this forum will result into spamming, I don't want to know how clever you are, forum admins will know you use AI because it's easy to detect, and AI gives answers like service rendering, you will know that a BOT is at work, I don't know if you guys understand what I am trying to say, abstain from using AI, it doesn't help, not on this forum.

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Quote from: Ryker1 on February 13, 2023, 07:50:31 AM

Quote from: mu_enrico on February 13, 2023, 06:20:57 AM

Quote from: LDL on February 13, 2023, 04:49:01 AM

And is anyone on this forum using the AI writing system?

I reported some on Bitcointalk, and some on other forums. This ChatGPT post is actually pretty easy to catch.
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I am new to this.
Can you tell me how to spot them? Are you using tools to this determine the AI user?
Or it is simply because they are having low-quality posts means they are using AI bots on posting here in the forum.
I am using automated grammar and spelling correction ^[Grammarly] which is sometimes annoying too but it is fine to me since I am not fluent in writing English --but on this AI bot, I don't know if they exist on this forum.

Yeah, I tried using several AI detection tools but the results are not the same, sometimes it's wrong to look at ChatGPT posts or from humans whether it's really AI or not and actually there is no accurate detector that is correct to prove that it's a post AI.
So I'm also still exploring this to see the differences between AI and human posts, this is still confusing for myself or others while other people's suggestions if the post is low then just report it to the moderator.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on February 13, 2023, 06:20:57 AM

Quote from: LDL on February 13, 2023, 04:49:01 AM

And is anyone on this forum using the AI writing system?

I reported some on Bitcointalk, and some on other forums. This ChatGPT post is actually pretty easy to catch.
^[snip]

I am new to this.
Can you tell me how to spot them? Are you using tools to this determine the AI user?
Or it is simply because they are having low-quality posts means they are using AI bots on posting here in the forum.
I am using automated grammar and spelling correction ^[Grammarly] which is sometimes annoying too but it is fine to me since I am not fluent in writing English --but on this AI bot, I don't know if they exist on this forum.

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Quote from: LDL on February 13, 2023, 04:49:01 AM

Some of your questions were answered in the older topic: Good Initiative by Royse777!
I've also given there a link to a post I think that it's AI generated; but you may want to read my explanation before the AI post.

Another interesting (imho) point was discussed here: what if the user name tells that it's using AI for answers, is it still plagiarizing?

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Quote from: LDL on February 13, 2023, 04:49:01 AM

And is anyone on this forum using the AI writing system?

I reported some on Bitcointalk, and some on other forums. This ChatGPT post is actually pretty easy to catch.

Quote from: LDL on February 13, 2023, 04:49:01 AM

AI writing post against forum policy?

It's considered low quality or plagiarism in my opinion, and it's surely annoying. Bots can't give opinions, they only present the theory/explanation/source.

Quote from: LDL on February 13, 2023, 04:49:01 AM

What are the pros and cons of using AI writing systems?

For GPT users? Pros: just copy & paste. Cons: you still can't write, and you can't learn and be better this way.

The bottom line is, the bot-generated response is not for human discussion. So if you respect other (human) users on online forums, don't use bot chat responses.

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Quote from: LDL on February 13, 2023, 04:49:01 AM

AI writing post against forum policy?

It is against forum rules if you copy and paste an AI-generated answer to post here. It is plagiarism that is not allowed by rules.

I am sure posters who use AI-generated content to post here, only to get post count and mainly they do it for money. It is against forum rules, steal contents, plagiarize to get money.

I am more sure that those posters will not publicly note that their posts are from AIs.

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Quote from: LDL on February 13, 2023, 04:49:01 AM

How to post on bitcoin forum using artificial intelligence system?

And is anyone on this forum using the AI writing system?

What are the pros and cons of using AI writing systems?

AI writing post against forum policy?

I do not know how to use AI to post automatically on bitcointalk, but I know people do against the use of bots to post because it may not give the accurate information needed and some information from bots can be spam. The best is to write posts offhand from what you know and from the experience that you have.

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I have been wanting to know the answer to a question in the forum for some time, the question seems simple to everyone, but to me the question is very important.

How to post on bitcoin forum using artificial intelligence system?

And is anyone on this forum using the AI writing system?

What are the pros and cons of using AI writing systems?

AI writing post against forum policy?

A popular campaign manager on this forum @Royse777 has a cautionary rule about this in his managed signature campaign policy. So are we to assume that AI writing posts is against forum policy?

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on January 11, 2023, 01:47:50 AM

To prevent AI domination effective from today we are introducing an incentive for forum users. Find AI written posts on this campaign
and report to me either in public or in forum PM, please be sure you have enough reference to support the claim. For successful report
the reporter will receive the weekly payment instead of the accused campaigner. The campaigner will be removed immediately.

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