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Quote from: Hispo on February 18, 2023, 08:04:26 PM

Quote from: 2double0 on February 18, 2023, 02:12:36 PM

Quote from: Hispo on February 16, 2023, 11:25:18 AM

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Well, considering many people around here do not have English as their native language and they may try to use AI in a reckless way to inflate their participation, there is a good chance some of them could get caught eventually, while developers all around internet work on better solutions for detection.

Would you care to link me to the profile of the user you are talking about, I am curious and I would like to give a look to their posts. Thank you in advance.

One example in this thread by LoyceV - I've linked the post to his name and not his profile

The link where he found some cheaters - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bounty-spammer-meets-ai-chat-generator-can-they-be-banned-on-the-spot-5434499

Another example by elevates in this thread - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61751636

And now, the profile link of the user who tried AI plagiarism in a signature campaign -
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mendace-1983110

And finally the link that describes him as an AI spammer -
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61761161

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Quote from: 2double0 on February 18, 2023, 02:12:36 PM

Quote from: Hispo on February 16, 2023, 11:25:18 AM

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Well, considering many people around here do not have English as their native language and they may try to use AI in a reckless way to inflate their participation, there is a good chance some of them could get caught eventually, while developers all around internet work on better solutions for detection.

Would you care to link me to the profile of the user you are talking about, I am curious and I would like to give a look to their posts. Thank you in advance.

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Quote from: Hispo on February 16, 2023, 11:25:18 AM

It may work anywhere on internet where anyone could pass a AI generated text to get a payment.
There is a market for people to write essays and reports on internet and I am afraid universities and teachers still do not have reliable tools to tell the difference.

The difference can be spotted, only when there is a person who is either not fluent in English or not a native. However, a person with good English skills can easily surpass the AI detector test by making some changes to the text (I saw one example in this thread only) and some twisting here and there with a precis or word cuts cannot let even AI decide whether a person wrote the stuff or got it from AI.

But, in the cases of essay writing and report writing given to students by their professors, where the TL;DR applies to some lazy students, they won't change anything or even if they do and are not so fluent or know native English of the specific country (for example, there are differences in some words of UK and US English and even more), the professors will be able to easily catch those students and suspend them.

And, congratulations to Royse and Loyce for finding one user in one of Royse's campaigns. This will give a lesson to AI users that we are ahead of any technology because we created these things.

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Quote from: libert19 on February 15, 2023, 11:00:59 PM

Quote from: Hispo on February 12, 2023, 09:07:41 PM

I'd wish that detecting AI generated content was as easy as a Bitcoin address signature.

Tools to detect ai text are sure to come in matter of time. Where there is need, there is invention.

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This kind of technology is seemingly going so fast that security measures are staying far behind.

I have been seeing ai development since years, not sure if it's really that fast.

Maybe I have got the sensation it is going really fast because how things have developed these last year with Artificial inteligences being capable or creating drawings or pictures from text, ect. I know that sort of thing did not come out of nowhere (took years of work and effort). I personally expected this kind of stuff to be available later, like in 10 or 25 years, rather than today.

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Quote from: LoyceV on February 16, 2023, 03:51:06 AM

Quote from: libert19 on February 16, 2023, 03:40:06 AM

Imagine chatgpt itself

.... starts spamming anywhere on the internet to earn money.

I think it only works here.

It may work anywhere on internet where anyone could pass a AI generated text to get a payment.
There is a market for people to write essays and reports on internet and I am afraid universities and teachers still do not have reliable tools to tell the difference.

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Quote from: LoyceV on February 16, 2023, 03:51:06 AM

Quote from: libert19 on February 16, 2023, 03:40:06 AM

Imagine chatgpt itself

.... starts spamming anywhere on the internet to earn money.

I think it only works here.

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Quote from: LoyceV on February 16, 2023, 03:51:06 AM

Quote from: libert19 on February 16, 2023, 03:40:06 AM

Imagine chatgpt itself

.... starts spamming anywhere on the internet to earn money.

Why would it need to? It receives its paycheck directly from Microsoft.

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Quote from: libert19 on February 16, 2023, 03:40:06 AM

Imagine chatgpt itself

.... starts spamming anywhere on the internet to earn money.

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Quote from: Little Mouse on February 16, 2023, 03:24:08 AM

Quote from: libert19 on February 15, 2023, 11:00:59 PM

Tools to detect ai text are sure to come in matter of time. Where there is need, there is invention.

That's not going to be a free one of course. Everyone will come up with a paid subscription model. Allow users to generate text for free, and ask managers to check whether the texts are from AI or not for a fee. How innovative idea! lol. It's the same idea we used to see the corporate business most of the time.
However, it's not that easy to detect. I had a test with other tools and shared my views another day. It's not going to be that easy.

Imagine chatgpt itself releases such tool since they alone know their algorithms and have ability to check properly. Corporate business at it's finest.

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Quote from: elevates on February 11, 2023, 09:04:02 AM

I created this thread to know what you guys think about it. Do you feel he/she as in Royse777 will be able to catch those Bounty hunters who are using AI chatbots to earn Bitcoin on a signature campaign managed by him? Will other BMs follow his initiative in the future?

It's such a good move to work against the bounty cheaters on the forum, i think a manager has well announced on something related that when reported with valid evidence they will be rewarded a d the participant will be removed from their campaign and also tagged red, it's a choice if others finds a need for requesting on such or engage doing it by themselves, without stating that already we have some members always on a look for cheaters of any kinds on the forum and they always fish them out even though it may take time to discover any.

Quote from: elevates on February 11, 2023, 09:04:02 AM

I think it is not impossible but can be made possible if someone knows how to find an AI script for a reply or a topic.

Yes, one needed to know how to find one.

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Quote from: libert19 on February 15, 2023, 11:00:59 PM

Tools to detect ai text are sure to come in matter of time. Where there is need, there is invention.

That's not going to be a free one of course. Everyone will come up with a paid subscription model. Allow users to generate text for free, and ask managers to check whether the texts are from AI or not for a fee. How innovative idea! lol. It's the same idea we used to see the corporate business most of the time.
However, it's not that easy to detect. I had a test with other tools and shared my views another day. It's not going to be that easy.

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Quote from: libert19 on February 15, 2023, 11:00:59 PM

Tools to detect ai text are sure to come in matter of time. Where there is need, there is invention.

This will be very tricky. I won't say impossible, more difficult.

Because unless the AI leaves a pattern or signature in the text, it's going to be hard for a detector to tell whether or not it's an AI.
In addition, text AIs can even evolve to give errors in writing, to make it difficult to detect. Or be less "mayors" in the response.

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Quote from: Hispo on February 12, 2023, 09:07:41 PM

I'd wish that detecting AI generated content was as easy as a Bitcoin address signature.

Tools to detect ai text are sure to come in matter of time. Where there is need, there is invention.

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This kind of technology is seemingly going so fast that security measures are staying far behind.

I have been seeing ai development since years, not sure if it's really that fast.

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Quote from: joker_josue on February 12, 2023, 06:17:18 PM

Has anyone ever thought of asking ChatGPT to make a script with the aim of detecting whether the text is written by the chat or not? Roll Eyes

It would be fun to know the answer, and to know if the supposed script would work.

I like the idea introduced by the user mentioned by the OP but ChatGPT and other Ai text or written composers are just a piece of plagiarism equipment. To my knowledge, there's no way you can detect whether the text is written by the chat because the artificial intelligence machine was programmed to only searches online all the available content base on the question provided. Besides, it works just like search engines.

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Quote from: elevates on February 11, 2023, 09:04:02 AM

I was going through the Services Child board and found that the Yo!Mix Bitcoin Mixer Signature Campaign was Open. As like everyone does I also went through it and found on the Campaign ANN a new initiative. This new initiative as per my knowledge has not be initiated by any other BM other than @Royse777. I think it is tricky but can get good results. Quoting what he wrote

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To prevent AI domination effective from today we are introducing an incentive for forum users. Find AI written posts on this campaign
and report to me either in public or in forum PM, please be sure you have enough reference to support the claim. For successful report
the reporter will receive the weekly payment instead of the accused campaigner. The campaigner will be removed immediately.

I created this thread to know what you guys think about it. Do you feel he/she as in Royse777 will be able to catch those Bounty hunters who are using AI chatbots to earn Bitcoin on a signature campaign managed by him? Will other BMs follow his initiative in the future?

I think it is not impossible but can be made possible if someone knows how to find an AI script for a reply or a topic.

Royse777 absolutely right.
We all guess that in the near future, or already, the forum will be spammed with hundreds of messages authored by AI. And while the algorithms are not perfect, and often the AI writes in general incoherently, we can calculate unscrupulous authors.

Thats info what I have found:

How can a person distinguish an AI text
The neural network writes too concretely. For example, researchers from Google Brain came to the conclusion back in 2019 that AI uses the article the too often because it works on predicting the next word in a sentence. But it is clear that this feature is inherent only in English-language texts.
ChatGPT is already being used as a replacement for search engines, since it gives quite specific answers. But things are worse with her reasoning: for questions like "What is love?" the AI will give a dry formulation, and not an attempt to analyze a complex feeling.
Also, a neural network can very confidently write an absolute lie. It is not her nature to doubt.
The neural network omits the context and personalization of the text. ChatGPT will not be able to convey the experience of a particular person — only try to imitate the experience of millions of people on whose texts the model is trained. But such materials usually lack depth and author's feeling: it's one thing to write a template essay on a literary work, and another to tell how you spent the summer.
Also The neural network does not make mistakes.

Also here is DETECTOR:
https://openai-openai-detector.hf.space/

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For me the real problem its with the exagerated IA post or accounts who are clearly one , and the idiots who still talk with that accounts.

Im refering that one who post something like you have to protect your wallet of leather or sintetic materials..... come on man. And i think if i not remember bad was Neuroticfish the man how catch that no sense and post that hilarious post.

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Quote from: Mpamaegbu on February 14, 2023, 05:54:39 AM

I think a more drastic step should be taken and not only reporting such Al posts. Those accounts should be tagged. It's deceit for me. Except if such account is registered in a way that the community recognizes it's an Al account. We've to know when we're exchanging correspondences with scripts so we don't throw in all our emotions into such banters. Computers don't have emotions.

The problem is that in many cases it's not easy to draw the line and tell beyond doubt that a post is AI generated or not.
And in such cases, while deleting one more more posts is not the end of the world, tagging an account will make it no longer be accepted into the reputable campaigns.

Plus, your proposal has a possible flaw*: if it's AI generated text, then the account can be directly reported for plagiarism and will be banned (thus making the tagging pointless).

* it's only "possible flaw" because it can take a lot until plagiarizing account actually gets banned, hence the tag can have a good effect, albeit for limited time.

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Quote from: Lucius on February 11, 2023, 10:16:41 AM

Although some posts may look like they are the work of AI at first glance, how will you prove that they are really the product of an AI Chat? I have tried 5-6 detectors and I am not satisfied with the results, because even very small changes in the entered text can give completely opposite results.

Here is the part of your post that one detector says is even 93% fake.

You're absolutely right and that's the tricky part.

Several European universities are conducting research on this topic and are currently testing a software for the automatic recognition of ai-generated essays or scientific articles. Unfortunately, as things stand, the results are anything but satisfactory. AI-generated texts like e.g. from ChatGPT can be modified by small adjustments in a way that a reliable error detection is not possible.

And it is the same with the various 3rd party AI trackers currently offered by many websites. These also do not work reliably and can often be deceived by adjusting just a few words so that a text that was previously output as completely AI-generated subsequently has an extremely low AI score.

Unfortunately, it will be quite difficult to make reasonable statements if someone really used AI to create forum posts. The easiest guess is probably with users who write qualitatively completely different posts from one day to the next - even if there is of course no 100% certainty here. Nevertheless, I think that just the fact that posts will be more closely checked in the future will lead to an increase in posting quality in general.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on February 14, 2023, 05:36:21 AM

As LoyceV said, the idea of rewarding was already existed too. What I did is - learnt from the past experience and mixed it with the new idea to improve the service we provide. It will be challenging but it's needed to appreciate the posters who do good job and genuine.

My suggestion is to allow users who suffer suspicions to justify themselves and show that the analyzes are wrong.

Otherwise, I think anyone who makes this type of post should be penalized.

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Well to me this is a good initiatives by Royse777, If i must go deeper it can only be common with bounty campaign instead of signature campaign since there are no much participants. But in normal bounty campaign there are over Hundreds or a thousand (if there's no limitations) participants which might join the campaign and if any of them are bot or using IA to write a report it would be very hard to detect.
In essence what are my saying, this principles should also be implemented in bounty's not only signature campaign and btw, there are limited slot for sig campaign rather than bounties. Most times whenever i made out chance to visit some bounty threads i kept wondering how some participants could just registered a bounty today and immediately submitted all reports without waiting for weekly deadline or even without trying to spread out their task within at least 4 to 6 working days of their signing up.

I don't know if this has already been discussed earlier.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on February 11, 2023, 01:13:04 PM

If you want a good laugh, see here.

I had a good laugh at that. It's crazy. What was the poster actually thinking a wallet was. Well, I better stick to their advice and get a conditioner to be cleaning my wallet 🤦

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And I expect that more and more of the long 0-value posts be reported as AI texts if they're written proper English (which may or may not be correct).

I think a more drastic step should be taken and not only reporting such Al posts. Those accounts should be tagged. It's deceit for me. Except if such account is registered in a way that the community recognizes it's an Al account. We've to know when we're exchanging correspondences with scripts so we don't throw in all our emotions into such banters. Computers don't have emotions.

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