Topic: What's AI Written Post? (Read 861 times)

Thanks for finding this and posting it... I spent a few minutes reading through the OpenAI terms and conditions the other day looking for something similar but didn't notice that clause.

I suspect we will continue to have lazy shitposters finding ways to skirt their ChatGPT copy/pastes from being detected by the detectors, rather than bothering to use their own brains to generate thoughts. Here's one such example:


Here you can see the post is buffered by original content ("Exactly!", and "Anyway, ..."). But the middle chunk is largely AI-generated.

Copyleaks: AI content detected
Hivemoderation: 100% likely to be AI generated
Sapling.ai: 100% fake

As a matter of fact I'm going thru this person's posts and will probably find a lot of them to report here. The Gambling section is chock full of such posts. Where will the moderators draw the line? We'll find out.

 I don’t think that there is really that much room for debate on labelling a post as plagiarism, in forum terms, when it is created by simply copying and pasting here AI generated content (without adding a source so as to mirror the norm). The fact that a person performing the said routine is intentionally trying to pass as his own content generated elsewhere, is what is really being forbidden here.

The forum doesn’t really care too much (as far as I can tell) if we’re talking about plagiarism to the line of it’s definition, but rather more it focuses on the intent behind the act itself. When that intent is to pretend that the poster was indeed the author of a given content, that is what contravenes the spirit of posting on the forum, being the subjacent origin of the content secondary to a certain degree.

Note: Open AI still states that content generated using their API should:
See: https://openai.com/policies/sharing-publication-policy#content-co-authored-with-the-openai-api-policy

So even from the point of view of Open AI, user’s should credit the fact that the content is AI generated when it is. The problem obviously resides in proving it, but that does not give one a free pass on his intent.

Only the source is different. With content stolen from the internet, it was easy to compare text A to text B to check if it was plagiarized because you could find the source. With AI it's different in the sense that the bot creates the content you ask it to. And even if you ask it to do the same thing multiple times, the outputs will probably be different.

Plagiarizing from AI is a new and non-traditional way. Other non-traditional ways are plagiarizing someone's speech. For instance, you listen or record someone speak on a conference about Bitcoin, and then you log into your Bitcointalk account and post that as your own. That's also plagiarism if you didn't make it clear that those aren't your words but someone else's and/or if you don't mention where you got the information from.       

If you post AI-generated text without crediting the AI, how is that any different from plagiarism? You are attempting to take credit for something that you didn't write.


For the AI to be committing plagiarism, it would have to be demonstrated that the AI is directly copying words from another source. It does occasionally do this, but not always.

Well, the problem is that using Artificial intelligence to create post is that it widely differs from the classic definition of plagiarism and the way it has been created for most of the history of humanity. You know, until not long ago it implies the copy/pasting and small modification of information which did not belong to us but try to fool others to believe it does. The main problem is the origin of the information, if the AI was legally recognized as an author, then it would easier to accuse someone using it to generate content for their own purposes to be a plagiarist, on the other hand, it would also imply the AI itself is committing massive plagiarism.

I would personally be in favor of restricting the use of AI generated posts in the forum, unless it's origin is explicitly stated and it is used for amusement/experimental purposes. Not to spam around.

It fits perfectly the definition of plagiarism if you are hiding the fact that you have used AI to create the post. And that's what people will do, either to get merits, sound more knowledgeable, or both. If nutildah created that poll he mentioned, I am sure that a big majority would vote for non-credited AI posts being plagiarism. But a different poll would be more interesting if it had the question, should AI-written posts be against forum rules and discouraged? 

As far as I know using Artificial intelligence to generate content and then post it here is not explicitly against the rules, some users believe it is some kind of plagiarism, while other disagree. The example you provided mostly applies in the context of signature campaigns, since people is supposed to be paid by using their account while commenting or generating meaningful posts around the forum, some managers may believe that using AI is a form to cheat the campaign while doing the minimum effort to actually engage in a high quality way with the rest of the forum users.

In my opinion, it would not be no problem if someone decides to use AI to generate content here, as long as it is explicitly disclosed they are doing so and why, it would also help if they person in question is not engaging in any signature campaign with a policy against AI generated posts.

Anyways, the way I see it, it will be mater of time before we start to see more complex ways to generate commentary and content which may be more difficult to spot, hopefully the developers of AI will implement some watermark for people to realize whether the content was done by a human being or not.

Interaction between humans will produce solutions in discussing a problem, but not with AI that only correlates with existing data.
Human intelligence has a better and stronger capacity for thinking than AI and human intelligence has great problem-solving skills depending on the core of the situation.

When the Forum is only generated as a BOT chat then there is no Ego in the conversation, there will be no emotion in every discussion, this is because BOT AI does not have Cognitive abilities like humans, has no common sense, AI cannot understand the concept of "Cause and Effect".

Absolutely.


Yes, if its mentioned that ChatGPT was used to write the text, then its OK, because you are crediting the source (similar to putting a reference). It isn't great, and posts that are copy/pastes of articles or tweets with a "Source:" appended to the end of it usually suck to read... But its not technically plagiarism so the posters get away with it.

I don't know about everyone else, but when I start reading a text that is clearly AI-generated, my eyes just kind of gloss over the words... I have no interest in reading it because I know a human didn't write it. We should really do our best not to let the forum turn into a place where this is the norm.

Why would that be needed? Asking an AI bot to write you a post on a topic or searching for that topic through Google or Bing is the same if your ultimate goal is to copy-paste the results and pretend you wrote it. The punishment should, in that case, be the same. There should either be punishment for both or neither of the two.

On the other hand, if you created an ANN for a casino (since that's the example you made), and you mentioned in the sources that it's AI-generated content, you wouldn't be accused of plagiarism. That still doesn't mean you should do it because this is a forum for human interaction and exchange of ideas and thoughts. It's not and shouldn't turn into a place where bots talk to each other with humans only giving commands.     

My reply might not be suited for this thread, if required please delete it. I need to share this news with everyone who thinks AI can make a difference. One of the creators of this project and the CEO, Sam Altman got fired from his post. The reason given is strange as the board feels," he was lying to the company". Isn't AI based on the concept of replicating human intelligence, which is a big lie? Not sure if it's an internal war to take control of the project initiated by Bill Gates.

I am only sharing here my point of view of what is happening in this AI sphere. I feel that we need to update with some internal guidelines that should help the newbie come up and create topics that are AI-generated. I don't think some of us trying our level best to control this AI infestation would achieve something positive as I have seen a few neutral tags on the Gambling board where owners are now getting tagged.

Creating an ANN using AI does not make any difference as what a casino needs is to create trust around their project. It does not matter creating an ANN with AI as it is real now and I am sure some of you would recognize its importance in marketing a product for a casino. I am not a supporter but I would hesitate to use a tool that I paid for to create good marketing content in a short period.

If you opened such a poll, I think at least 80% would vote that AI generated content is plagiarism unless the poster says it's AI generated.   

I don't know how often it happens either probably because it's time consuming to check and hard to prove in some cases.

There is no written rule about it, but do we know for sure that if there is proof that a user used AI generated content and got caught with it, that admins won't take action such as deleting the post and or temp/perma ban that user?

My stance on AI usage is very clear. Read my previous posts in this thread if you are in doubt. If you are saying that the forum is officially against it, then show me the rule that prohibits the use of AI. Or, show me a post of the administrators confirming that AI posts aren't allowed.

Why are you bringing red tags into the discussion? The trust system doesn't have anything to do with it, and anyone can post any feedback they want. I can give you a positive, neutral, or negative tag right now but that action of mine doesn't represent the forum's position. 

Your failure to understand what I am saying is exactly that: your failure. It's got nothing to do with me. My opinion on AI-generated content can be found in this thread. I assume you can find it and comprehend it. And you are again confusing apples and oranges. The trust system isn't the voice of the forum administration. It's a subjective rating system of the community that they can but don't have to use.

The Forum is against it or are you telling me that is ok to make use of AI? If is cool using AI why do we have red tags on members who uses AI?
Plagiarism, spamming, use of AI are all against the rules, if caught doing any of those the offender will have to face the punishment.



I still don't understand why you refuse to accept the fact that is part of the rules of the Forum like the community kick against the use of AI. To me why it's the way it is, is because some users still choose to go against the Forum rule to use AI, like they see it as a perfect way of making their post look clean. We know some ain't that good with English but it doesn't mean that you must make use of AI.

Well, if we'll look at the definition of the word "plagiarize" from Merriam-Webster dictionary, I guess there hardly can be a double understanding of if taking a text written not by you without crediting its source (even if the source is AI) is plagiarism or not.

If it's not a catch phrase, then crediting the source (including AI) is something expected.

So I guess that moderators don't always take action against AI users because there can be a problem in case of appeal on ban. If there is a text with a date from an outer source, you can easily check it any time. But there's no generally accepted standard for AI texts. We can see that cheaters try to use many different tricks to try to say that it is a mistake in AI detection. Sometimes what is obvious is not what is easily proved.

I'm curious (and may open my own poll about it shortly), is there anyone who believes that posting unaccredited AI text isn't plagiarism? It seems to me the general consensus is yes, it is plagiarism, but I am potentially biased because that's what I believe as well.

Aside from one famous example (and kudos to Royse777 for his no-AI policy), I rarely see accounts removed from campaigns after getting caught posting AI. This could be because campaign managers are largely unaware of it happening -- usually at most people will leave a neutral trust rating for the offense, if anything at all.

So AI posters exist in a legal loophole right now:

- its often hard to know 100% for sure that a post is AI-generated
- its not considered plagiarism by moderator standards (as of the moment)
- there's no precedent for red tagging users for doing this.

The forum doesn't have any specific rules on the use of AI bots, but it does have rules on plagiarism. If the admins deem that you have plagiarized, then you are in trouble regardless of whether you used an AI or took the content from elsewhere.
 
Again, the forum rules don't discuss AI posting in any way because they were written long before AI technology was introduced. You are right about the second part of your sentence. Some signature campaign managers have rules that prohibit the use of AI software. If users are found to be using them, they will get rejected from the campaign and perhaps DT members might give them negative feedback.

But this isn't in any way connected to forum rules. We need to make a distinction between what the forum allows/disallows and what isn't encouraged by the community.
For instance, scamming someone isn't against forum rules, and you won't get banned for it. But such actions can earn you negative feedback by forum users.

When you quote spam instead of reporting it, you help spammers. It's better to delete the spam content from the post you quoted.

They are directly promoting AI tools in the topic where we talk about why is it inappropriate, and you help to keep their link after the post is being deleted by moderators for spam.

If you see some spam, including AI spam, the best way is to tap a "Report to moderator" link under the post. And definitely not to quote it to preserve.

Some of these questions are making me feel you want to try making use of AI in your post. The Forum doesn't permit or encourage the use of AI in posting, it only signify one thing, that's laziness. Those who make use of AI to polish their words are just lazy, they can't make use of what they've upstairs to drop any thing that would attract people's attention.
If you don't know, just know that using AI is against the rules and regulations of this Forum and if caught (especially when you're in a campaign) your account won't be of any use to you.

AI generated content is in direct conflict with rule #33 about plagiarism for two reasons. Firstly, it's copy/pasted content from AI software, meaning it's not your words, and you aren't the creator of the content. Secondly, by copying that from an AI bot and posting it here on the forum under your name without giving credit or mentioning that it came from a bot, you make it seem like it's yours. You claim it to be yours. Put those two together and you get copy/pasted content without posting information about the source. That's plagiarism for you.

The forum rules don't mention it exclusively because they were written years ago before we had AI technology. But it doesn't matter. Regardless of where the content came from, if you post it under your name, pretending you came up with it, you planarized.   

Why should we, anything that has to do with what is not coming from us being the author of them is as null as having someone's else's work to claim, why are some people taking their time to make use of their head in making a quality post while others can do nothing than to go through the otherwise, this means that their feedback or posts aren't genuine on a sincere ground, they are just taking leverage on other sources for help or a way out.

Oh yeah, I forgot those fuckers who spam and abuse campaigns, the fact that they're using AI to supplement their abuse and keep up with their post goes to show that these people are stupid and have a limited brainpower because they can't keep up with their posts for their different accounts so they resort to using AI which to me is sad and pathetic, trying to get ahead of the competition but lacking the brains to keep up is weird to me. Don't expect too much on my experiment, it's just a simple one that I've been curious to do since last night.

AI generated text in fact is a sort of compilation of human written texts from Internet, so there's nothing truly non human in there.

Users who use AI are not newbies only, different sorts of scammers and campaign abusers do the same, because they are not interested in making efforts for spamming or posting from multiple accounts.

Will be interesting to read about the results of your experiment.

Don't worry, that's my plan. I would post the results here for everyone to see. With the way that you're explaining it though, it seems that AI detection tools are either not yet that advanced to detect AI generated text or AI generated text are so good now that they appear human, that's what I am getting from your reply. Reputable members don't really need the AI help, they've been on this forum for a long time and it's most likely that the users that use AI for their posts are newbies that's trying to find a shortcut into making a quality post.

You can check multiple texts of some users you are sure are writing by themselves and look how often a false positive result will occur. You'll see that most users will have 0% of false positives, very few will have 1 per hundreds. So if there are several posts written in a short period are detected by several most accurate detectors it is highly unlikely that it can be false positive result.

Try to do it by yourself. When I try to detect my own texts with several detectors I always get a negative result, doesn't matter if the text is written in English or written in Russian and then automatically translated via online translators. The same for some very reputable forum members who are definitely writing by themselves.

I will do another experiment on this one to see if ChatGPT can detect it's own generated texts, I've only done it in one device so I thought I was sure that it's an accurate detector that someone's used an AI on their text.
I know that, I just didn't mentioned it in my first reply since I've only offered one solution that can work on AI generated text detection.
But the way that AI is learning, aren't they taught how a human writes or asks questions and giving answers so technically it's still human questions that are given it's just that the AI has compiled it to answer a specific question.
Well, if false positives and negatives exist then the possibility of people being wrongly reported will go up because some people will probably think that if it hits the 80 to 100 percentage marker on AI detection tools then it's going to be an AI? I know that you can still use about 2 or 3 tools to confirm but what if those 3 were generating false positive or negative results?

Yep, but it's not ethical to claim all of the AI generated text are yours.

AI only help to comply a history or get a general solution/answer, it's need human hands to make it better.

False positives means you're not using AI, but the result in detector site you're using AI..

While false negatives means you're using AI, but the result in detector site you're not using AI. This happen when you're modified or paraphrase the AI text by adding or remove punctuation etc.

When you detect something on something you can get a positive (yes, something is something) and negative (no, something is not something). But the accuracy of a detector it usually not 100%, there is a probability of false results. You should keep it in mind when you ask ChatGPT on if some text is written by it or by human being.

Besides that ChatGPT is not the only one AI program, so there could be texts written by some other chat bots.

What do you mean by false positives and false negatives? Can you provide me an example so I can understand what you're trying to say, I've only heard of false positives and negatives in a medical setting so I can't be so sure that it's going to be the same thing as this one. I'm not well versed in technology jargons and terms so I am curious about what you're talking about.

ChatGPT gives both false positives and false negatives, so it's not accurate enough to make final conclusions just relying on the data it can provide. Some natural text can occasionally look like written by AI, it happens very rare and usually you'll get some single false positive on many hundreds of someone's posts, but it can happen. And some obviously AI written texts are too short or too modified to be accurately determined as AI generated, it happens also.

It could be argued that if they're using the updated version of ChatGPT, they would probably be able to have a somewhat accurate information which is going to be difficult for someone to spot although you can still see some inconsistencies. Also, if you really want to spot someone who's using ChatGPT for their posts, you can just copy paste their post and ask ChatGPT if they've written that post and they will definitely be able to identify if the user that posted that AI generated post is stupid enough to not change a thing or two about it.
It's contradictory for you to say that they shouldn't use it if there's no value to it because the response of AI does have value it's just that people don't like that there's no organic thought in it. I don't know about being sick of bots, it's a matter of perspective, if you're benefiting from bots in some way I don't think that you're going to get sick of them but if you're the one that's being inconvenienced by it then you're definitely getting sick of bots, no questions asked.

That's not exactly true:


Most AI posters aren't dumb enough to include this text in their posts, which is a dead giveaway that its AI-generated, but every once in a while the infamous "knowledge cutoff date" makes an appearance. Besides, a post only has to be deemed as spam to be deleted, not AI.
 

Sure, and that does happen, I'm already seeing it in the Gambling section. Or more commonly the poster will change capitalization and remove spaces to make the text look more non-AI. But the thing is, shitposters use AI because they are lazy, which means they will likely be too lazy to come up with such a prompt.

It will be sad when this tool becomes so widely utilized and popular we will get waves and waves of Bitcoin Talk AI members who we will not be able to distinguish from real members.

Artificial Intelligence is useful for many reasons.  But it is not useful at all on a Forum where people talk to each other.  It is like these annoying Reddit bots.  You will get their response to your topic and you will end up talking to a machine as if there was some body breathing and living for real behind a screen.  Creepy.  And sad.

Using AI to write on forum removes the originality that a forum is meant to have, and if it permitted, it will make discussions in forum sound very inorganic. You don't have to be under the pressure of trying to impress when you write on the forum, because that is when you can be tempted to want to do extra and use AI. It is bad, and is not a pattern that should be encouraged.

Since we are discussing AI, let me think out loud! what are the chances that if the same AI tool write on a topic asked by two users, what are the chances to provide the two users two different write ups on the same exact topic?

Well the reason why those posts are never deleted because you can't be 100% sure if the post is created by AI.

Yes I agree there, could be enough doubts to confirm if the post is written by AI but still it's not 100%. You are still not 100% certain that yes this post is written by AI. So this small benefit of the doubt goes in favor of the poster.  

Also it's very easy to fool AI tools too, just add to your prompt "Create a post that's hard to tell if AI wrote it, also throw in a few spelling and grammar mistakes"

Edit: Am I giving ideas to AI posters?

This question seems like, how to rob a bank. I might know but will not tell you because of the fear of the authority. Meanwhile, no one will teach you to cheat the system.

If no one was using it, why would some campaign managers make rules against it?

The pro is equal to the con.
Using AI to make a post will make you appear more intelligent than you are. This is a pro right? But on a second thought it wll make you dump. You might not a have a mind of yours to reason.
This is a discussion forum, so you should be able to flow with discussions naturally and not aiding yourself with an AI.

Unofficially yes, it is against the forum policy.
Officially no, I haven't seen theymos say anything about AI posting.

Yes, I agree with your opinion, indeed if you use the tool as mentioned it might be accurate, but it would be better if we discussed it humanely.

When someone asked a question in ChatGTP popularly known as AI and got the answer from there and copy everything and paste it here in the forum.

I think many of them have been caught both in the gambling section and the other boards.
It gives you straight answer without you thinking much, that is one of the advantages and when copied what AI have to you and paste it here as your original post then it becomes the disadvantage of using the chat.
Yes because it also one of the clarification of plagiarism. When you copy AI work and paste it here as your original work then you have plagiarized another person work because ChatGTP does not have it own information but other people information so if you are talking information from there then you have to mention the source. And if you didn't provide the source of the information then it has violated the rules of the forum.

Unfortunately, No one could convince mprep, who wrote the Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ. We have seen good reports against AI-generated posts, yet forum moderators did not add such rules to the list of Bitcointalk.org rules. We can suggest that spammers not create AI-generated posts,, but there are no rules.

This is another reason we see brand new account just signed up and started posting using ChatGPT or other AI. These spammers should be banned. But they are getting free pass even after the positive report because there is no rules for AI posting yet.

The account got banned (nuked) because everything he wrote up to that point seemed to be made by AI.  So it was pretty obvious to the mods that he only set up the account to spam junk: https://ninjastic.space/search?author=NelonExer

But it's not always so cut and dried and sometimes it's probably tricky to judge if something is fully AI-generated or just uses AI tools like machine translation or spellcheck and grammar fixes.

I haven't seen the whole story, but it looks like you're right. The account is already blocked.
Another strange thing is that sometimes on the topic of the use of AI, we provide accurate data that accounts use AI,, but their posts are never deleted. However, if you look at your merit received today, the administrator is also against the AI. That is, we can conclude that it is forbidden to create posts using a robot, but as always, what happens with plagiarism, moderators make different decisions.

Even if this exact post is too short for HiveModeration to be sure it's AI written, don't try to fool others with posting something AI written in the topic with discussion about AI posts. If you think that others don't see it, you are wrong.

Let's see what detectors will say:

copyleaks AI Content Detected
hivemoderation 42.2% likely to contain AI Generated Text
sapling.ai Fake: 99.7%

One day it will lead you to a ban or getting a tag. Your other post is 100% detected by all detectors as AI generated...

If campaign managers started allowing AI generated posts then the forum would be 100% spam. There would be no reason for organic conversation when people could just earn money from copy and pasting from ChatGPT. It would not benefit any of the advertisers if most posts were just low effort and full of mistakes.

As far as I know the forum itself doesn't have a rule on using AI but these types of posts tend to get flagged and removed often. AI spam could have a negative effect on search engine visibility if it gets too out of control.

People can use AI text generators like ChatGPT or Google bard to write the posts for them and then they copy/paste those posts on this forum. Actually using of AI is not mainstream due to such platforms and even children can use those platforms without much hassle. But, of course the generated text is not accurate and may misguide others about certain things if they read such posts.

That's a controversial question but surely there is a thread created by @Nutildah where you can see the members who used AI generated posts and they were reported in that particular thread. Here's the link of that thread AI Spam Report Reference Thread

The pros of AI writing systems is that they have learnt their knowledge from huge set of text data and they can write like humans, and another pros of those AI writing systems is that they write with excellent grammar.
The cons of such AI writing systems are a lot. Those systems are somehow helping spammers to get written posts within seconds. The texts they generate are probably unique but they're more like spam.

There are no official rules against AI generated texts as far as I know and there is no such forum policy against such posts but surely the members of the forum don't like to read posts which are generated with AI writing systems and that's why they oppose such posts and report those posts to moderators. It's somehow a type of plagiarism and that's why most members of the forum don't really like to have AI generated threads or posts in this forum. I believe that in future we may have official rules against AI generated texts.


Royse is surely one of the best managers of our forum and I truly respect him and his opinion. He wants to have human written content on the forum and especially he wants human written content from the applicants who participate in the campaigns which he manages. And, for that he prohibits AI written text and if someone uses AI tools to generate texts when he/she is accepted in a campaign that is managed by Royse then that person won't get the payment as Royse's rules and the one who reports such user will receive the pay.

A few weeks ago there was a forum member who was accepted in Royse's managed signature campaign but that guy used AI generated texts in order to fulfil his weekly minimum posts. Someone found that and reported that members and Royse took action against that member by removing him from his signature campaign and gave him penalty of not getting accepted in any of his managed campaigns for a year I think.

Exacly! If I made a post with AI, despite having information, I would consider that a valueless post. Because everything I wrote is not mine, I have no knowledge of it. If I were to give an example, suppose I made a wonderful post about bitcoin mining using AI. Now, is it helpful? Yes, somehow, but not entirely. If someone asks me which miner to buy, how to fix this error, or how to set up miners, will I be able to answer those questions? No, I won't be able to, because I have no knowledge of it. AI may give us content to post, but it lacks real-life experience and knowledge. How to fix a problem or how to go from A to B.

High quality or low quality. If it's made entirely using AI, then that's  clear cheating.

As has been pointed out a few times already, the real reason it shouldn't be done is because the post author is taking credit for something they didn't write, wanting everyone else to believe they actually did write it, which is dishonest. This is one of the most direct statements on AI policy that we've had from forum staff thus far:


If you insist on posting text written by ChatGPT, it should be done as an attributed quote, like such:

As revealed, the problem is not only in that those who use AI are cheating. AI posts are trashing forum with garbage level posts: these posts are full of mistakes, which are not always easily detected. So if someone will follow some info written by AI he can be mislead with fairly high-quality style and huge mistakes in a content part.

Hidden use of AI for posting is plagiarizing, cheating and littering with incorrect information at once.

It is not just because you don't have the idea to engage in the post but also because the content or post that is generated by the AI is not yours so that means you are posting an idea, post or content in this forum that isn't yours which means you are plagiarized another work. You may say that it isn't a person who made that post but it is still not yours as you are not the one who made it or not your own idea to start with.

Using AI ro generate post is against the forum because it shows that you don't have the idea of the discussion that you are engaging yourself, and you want to clain that you know. This will make your contribution not meaningful because it is humans that are thinking and sharing knowledge from their past experience and not a bot that is programmed to answer base on the information that she feels is right.

When you are using AI to generate a post and you are in a signature campaign, it shows that you are a cheat because you are been paid for what you claim to know or have which you don't. There are tools that are used to detect AI generated post but I don't think that I know any. So therefore, if AI generated post is not frowned at, the forum will be full of spammers and this will bring down the value of the forum by discouraging forum members from learning.

I do think why you see everything wrong with using Ai generated text is because you better yourself in creating comments or post replies from your head.
It's more of a shortcut for the lazy writers to use, and the lazy ones who seek the short route always get turned around somehow, as in, they would get discovered eventually when there's no proper believable evidence of human editing or improvised text with their own human words.

It's caught into attention when chatpgt and any other AI software really are doing things for writing easily. Those that have thought that they can do their jobs easily will use it for their own productivity. But, it's not all about what they can be productive with but we're for the genuineness of what people can contribute with it. It depends on how they use it, if it's for educational purpose or it's just plain and simple to shortcut their tasks. To sum all of it, not everything that AI says will be actually what we want for its answer and logically the one that we need. Sometimes just like us humans, there's some redundancy and inaccuracy. As I've said, the authencity of the discussion from person to person can easily be found if it's still a human has replied or an AI.

Regardless of whether the use of artificial intelligence to post in forums in general is permissible or not, but it will not necessarily be the best option because it does not make sense to use forums at all. Whoever set the rules of the forum did not expect that technology would be developed that would facilitate fraud operations for those who steal the ideas of others and attribute them to themselves.
What Royce did can, in principle, be considered a personal decision to ensure the integrity of the campaign. I hope that the forum administration will interact positively with it and clarify its position.
The situation of artificial intelligence with the forums poses a major dilemma for discussion regarding the prospects for human creativity.

For the ChartGPT, it very easy to detect an opinion made by an AI; though it's not quite simple to get them busted from merely reading their scribbles. It's widely done with another detection bot; the reasons why an AI, which is widely accepted as an aid in writing, be having such a counter effect marvels me at some point 
Loyce made a statement about how she's realized AI scribbles in here as of late; and we've been keeping our fingers crossed to avoid them overwhelming the forum totally...
Though, the MODs see nothing wrong with it, I see everything... Not just me, alot more peeps do the same too.

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Direct answering to your question is plagiarism which is against forum rules and one who uses it to post on bitcointalk will be banned or at least the post will be removed for spam.

AI tool is nothing but a search engine for users who don't want to make any research but still need a solution, and many students are using it to cheat on their homework. So it's basically useful for cheaters and its not really going to give any new information so the intention of using it to post is just to complete the quota and claim a reward for something they didn't work for.

AI written posts is a plagiarism and if caught, it cam lead to ban. I have not experienced anything like AI written post here but I am sure that in the nearest future there will be such a thing here. The world of digital technology is advancing everyday and people are looking for an easier way to execute things so there will be less efforts and better input.

Anyone that is caught by using AI to complete quarter posts here can end up getting ban. We are not here to encourage such as an that could make many of us lazy and unable to do research to write go posts.

Of course, there are technologies that allow you to create posts automatically. But this contradicts the rules of the forum, and of course the rules of common sense. According to this logic, you can fill the forum with bots and let them communicate here. A dubious case. Any answer of an adequate person has a meaning and some kind of semantic load. And those who want to automatically write posts by bots will be exposed and banned.

It seems a little bit off-topic but I just wanna share here this funny post that I've found on Chat-GPT's group and I don't know who is the source of this.  It seems someone playing on the ChatGPT bot.

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It's might obvious if someone used automated chatbot tools and post it here in the forum.
At the first glance, it would be didn't interact with the topic or doesn't give a healthy discussion.

It seems there's someone suspected now on meta using an AI bot and it end ups plagiarism which is the number cause of using this bot, if you care about your account, think it twice.

Actually, I think reverse is the case here. Those who use AI are going to make post that have decent quality but the knowledge of the poster is definitely not going to improve since they did little to no work in creating the post.

And Op I think it's going to be a little bit difficult to spot those who are currently using AI to make post in forum. Because I don't think we have a tool that can accurately detect a post made by an AI. But one way we can at least try to get such a user is to monitor their posting method and check if it's constantly changing or if it's consistent.

Any forum should protect itself from plagiarism, especially in a forum like Bitcointalk where one of its features is allowing freelancers to make money from using the signature feature of the forum, once it got penalized by Google it will stop showing results from keywords coming from Bitcointalk, we all going to suffer from this so it's better for managers and moderators to ban members who are caught using AI to participate in the discussion.
It should be the responsibility of the majority here to protect our forum.

The purpose of posts in the forum is to share knowledge, and therefore, no matter how little or advanced your knowledge is, your asking questions and trying to learn is beneficial to the forum in general. Either the use of artificial intelligence or any methods will not enhance the quality of discussions, and therefore it is closer to scam than being a useful thing.

So it's not just about payments and signature

Using AI will not help improve your writing and even knowledge, I imagine writing something with you having no knowledge about it, just the AI,
one of the main goals of the forum is to learn from others, by interacting with them, that's plain laziness and no interest in learning in the forum if you use AI.
Yes, it is easy but nonsense, because it's against the rule and your account will be banned for sure.

Posts that have been recognized as AI generated have actually been flagged as spam as its all gibberish.

I don't think anybody using it will give an open answer to this

Most likely cons will be plagiarism as these A.Is work by referencing other people's work and not creating unique content...

No such a policy here as far as I know, but if this content is spam or plagiarized you risk your account being banned!!!

What you described here is campaign managers policy and not the forums guidelines or anything...

Thanks for the heads up, wasn't even aware such a bounty offer existed.

Even though its good whats AI produced that only applicable to new topic post plus if you not divuldge that its an AI content then likely it belongs to plagiarism. Anything you didnt make yourself and failute to write reference is plagiarism. Maybe you could do that to understand and see how to write a good reply or post but not to the point that you used the control C and V just to make a good post.

I think that this should be the defining moment. If you look at AI-generated posts and then go back to user-generated posts, there is likely to be a difference in spelling. Especially when you consider that this bot will be used by users who are bad at English and in some questions on topics.
But while there is no clear rule, and AI lovers can post here, but I want to say that some of the phrases that the AI bot pulls out from different texts are long enough, after which one can easily accuse the one who uses AI of plagiarism.
Again, there are many newcomers here, and many do not know how the cleaning bot from plagiarism walked around the forum. At that time, many accounts were banned for copying one sentence.
Anyone who values their account should think about it. It is likely that this plagiarized machine may one day repeat its purge.

Ai is a tool that generates content based on keywords and writes them properly. There is lot of Ai tools out there on the internet.
I think a very few people use Ai for posting on this forum, because Ai posts will not be that specific to make conversation about a topic/thread.

The policy of @Royse777 in the campaign he manages is very reasonable, he really hates spammers and wants to eradicate spammers in his own way. In the post @Royse777 that you quoted, there he will pay the reporter who finds the participant posting using AI. I strongly support eradicating the use of AI in forums because apart from creating low quality posts, users who use AI are very disrespectful to other users. Discussions initiated by humans must be responded to by humans.

Of course users are using it, what i meant by "it doesn't exist in the forum per se" is that the users who use some of these AI bots are real humans who use bots to answer questions and communicate on the forum (and can quote posts too), what they do is that when they want to make a post on the forum, they copy what the discussion/question is about and paste it in the text box in their AI application/website, and whatever response they are given, they basically come back to the forum and paste it here as their own thought on the topic, or use it to start a new topic.

This AI is now a hot topic here, I know that AI is a big help to so many industries but using it by members to get paid using AI is not healthy in forum discussions and it contributes to cheating it took me a lot of minutes and of editing on my post to get it within the topic and we have members here copy pasting questions and answers using AI this is very unfair.

Out of curiosity, I check one AI and use one exert in one of the questions on one topic
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/it-is-ok-to-sell-your-bitcoin-5435023

Honestly I cannot even post as good as that reply generated by AI

Conversely, output from ChatGPT has good English...
But since it's a bot, it has no opinion/perspective, so it won't use strong language to persuade. It rarely uses phrases, I, I think, You, IMO, etc.
It also over-explains things, try inputting "What's AI Written Post?" on ChatGPT, It'll starts with the definition, the example, the conclusion, and it'll repeat "AI written post" keyword frequently. This format/pattern is easily noticeable.

Oh, the bot also can't write personal experiences (memories) among other flaws. Perhaps you can instruct the bot to include phrases/things I mention so it will be harder to detect, but normal users won't be bothered to do that.

Try google "GPT Detector" and you'll find many websites. Just test which one you like the most. But you should be able to suspect/detect a post before using these tools. It is only for confirming your suspicions.

So there is no way to rig off this AI post because there are no accurate tools to use in detecting them right?
So perhaps it means human users that act as AI? --the result is low-quality posts. ^[laziness]

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So it means no one using it at the moment?
One last question, if you know there is someone using an AI bot --are they able to quote post too? ^{[like what I did?]}

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Is this bot what you mean by a chatGPT?
https://chat.openai.com/auth/login
It seems only use in a chatroom as a bot chat but not in a forum.

It should be against the Forum policy if some body is using Chat GPT to post replies and threads as if they were a real person behind the user.  Convenience is probably the only pro of using Chat GPT.  Cons are many.

Think about it.  Some body comes over to Bitcoin Talk and asks a very specific question about Bitcoin Wallets.  Ten users reply, out of which eight are posts generated by AI.  This will cause a lot of misinformation due to the imperfect accuracy of Chat GPT.  Or, you start a debate and five users are arguing through Chat GPT.  This would be an endless debate between nobody and therefore it is so unnecessary honestly.

Please, do not even bother trying to use it on the Forum unless there is something actually valuable you are bringing to it.  I think many of us are so sick of bots already.

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Low quality posts doesn't denote/connote that the post was written by an AI writing system, individuals can write low quality posts off their own head/knowledge. Out of ones own intuition, they could spot a post that looks like it was written by an AI bot, but it is somewhat difficult to be certain, even with the aid of detectors. The thing is, if you suspect a post was written through that means, report it.
It doesn't exist on the forum per se, people who don't want to be unique and post things out of their own knowledge use it to make posts on the forum, though it is against the rules.

Using AI to make posts on this forum will result into spamming, I don't want to know how clever you are, forum admins will know you use AI because it's easy to detect, and AI gives answers like service rendering, you will know that a BOT is at work, I don't know if you guys understand what I am trying to say, abstain from using AI, it doesn't help, not on this forum.

Yeah, I tried using several AI detection tools but the results are not the same, sometimes it's wrong to look at ChatGPT posts or from humans whether it's really AI or not and actually there is no accurate detector that is correct to prove that it's a post AI.
So I'm also still exploring this to see the differences between AI and human posts, this is still confusing for myself or others while other people's suggestions if the post is low then just report it to the moderator.

I am new to this.
Can you tell me how to spot them? Are you using tools to this determine the AI user?
Or it is simply because they are having low-quality posts means they are using AI bots on posting here in the forum.
I am using automated grammar and spelling correction ^[Grammarly] which is sometimes annoying too but it is fine to me since I am not fluent in writing English --but on this AI bot, I don't know if they exist on this forum.

Some of your questions were answered in the older topic: Good Initiative by Royse777!
I've also given there a link to a post I think that it's AI generated; but you may want to read my explanation before the AI post.

Another interesting (imho) point was discussed here: what if the user name tells that it's using AI for answers, is it still plagiarizing?

I reported some on Bitcointalk, and some on other forums. This ChatGPT post is actually pretty easy to catch.

It's considered low quality or plagiarism in my opinion, and it's surely annoying. Bots can't give opinions, they only present the theory/explanation/source.

For GPT users? Pros: just copy & paste. Cons: you still can't write, and you can't learn and be better this way.

The bottom line is, the bot-generated response is not for human discussion. So if you respect other (human) users on online forums, don't use bot chat responses.

It is against forum rules if you copy and paste an AI-generated answer to post here. It is plagiarism that is not allowed by rules.

I am sure posters who use AI-generated content to post here, only to get post count and mainly they do it for money. It is against forum rules, steal contents, plagiarize to get money.

I am more sure that those posters will not publicly note that their posts are from AIs.

I do not know how to use AI to post automatically on bitcointalk, but I know people do against the use of bots to post because it may not give the accurate information needed and some information from bots can be spam. The best is to write posts offhand from what you know and from the experience that you have.

I have been wanting to know the answer to a question in the forum for some time, the question seems simple to everyone, but to me the question is very important.

How to post on bitcoin forum using artificial intelligence system?

And is anyone on this forum using the AI ​​writing system?

What are the pros and cons of using AI writing systems?  

AI writing post against forum policy?

A popular campaign manager on this forum @Royse777 has a cautionary rule about this in his managed signature campaign policy.  So are we to assume that AI writing posts is against forum policy?