What's the best way make your Bitcoin anonymous right now? "Mixers"?

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Quote from: JoseJosayyyy on January 20, 2024, 05:15:20 PM

Quote from: DarknetMarkets on January 20, 2024, 05:03:10 PM

No!! Mixers don't work anymore, stay away from them. There is an easy way:

1 - get a Monero wallet (feather or mymonero)

2- get the tor browser

3- Swap your bitcoin for Monero (XMR). The best no-kyc exchange I think is xchange.me, they only charge 1%. They have a great tor website. Navigate here with your tor browser:

http://xmxmrjvjw3drvegm7m5gpqp3bsgp3x3bgc2x7jc76cacr74jhdwop7id.onion

4- Once you get the monero, movie it to a second monero address.

Because of how Monero works, your crypto is now fully anonymous. You can now swap it back for bitcoin or any other crypto, and your coins are untraceable.

This is the right answer. Use a good no-kyc exchange like xchange over tor, rinse and repeat.

The good old one two switcharu! Monero was banned for any approved ransomeware payments some years ago by OFAC - it’s funny because threat actors will still demand ransoms paid out in Monero but it’s actually illegal to pay a legal ransom that has been negotiated by Incident Response firms and threat actors simply because it is untraceable.

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Quote from: Synchronice on Today at 06:18:12 AM

Why should on earth any miner accept your dirty coins and give you their fresh mined coins? What's the benefit for the miner? Well, if you give them the double money, then they might think about it but otherwise, I think no miner will accept such an offer.

With a interest of a few percent, why would a miner not exchange his coins for others of the same value? After all, that's what mixers do. What do you think miners do with fresh coins, keep them forever for themselves?
Also, who is reliable enough to claim that some coins are 'dirty'? Whitebit AML checker?

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Quote from: franky1 on January 20, 2024, 06:31:28 PM

however if you know of a miner who is willing to trade your coin for his fresh mined coin. you obtaining fresh mined coin without the fluff of mixer rounded mount tagging is better for you

Why should on earth any miner accept your dirty coins and give you their fresh mined coins? What's the benefit for the miner? Well, if you give them the double money, then they might think about it but otherwise, I think no miner will accept such an offer.

Quote from: examplens on January 21, 2024, 05:57:40 PM

This thread is an obvious shilling for xchange.me.
A newbie who clumsily asks about a service is immediately followed by another newbie who suggests this service in almost every detail. Then, a user like JoseJosayyyy wakes up from a long period of inactivity to confirm that it was the right choice.

I thought I was the only one who was thinking that. Yes, sounds strange how OP got a long response immediately from DM.

Quote from: ArikeTobi on January 21, 2024, 08:26:58 PM

Use mixers, if you can't afford to do that, you can make use of the gambling organizations, lastly, try to engage the use of bitcoincore over Tor.

There is a chance that he might get some problems because his money comes from a casino but that depends on where he deposits his money. By the way, most importantly, casinos shouldn't be used for that because they are for gambling, not for hiding your financial activity.

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Quote from: Jon_Hodl on November 15, 2024, 01:18:26 PM

I would probably use CoinJoin with JoinMarket or by running your own BTCPay Server instance and using their CoinJoin tool.

I have a question about this, though.

This is non-custodial, obviously, so you will need to provide your own UTXO sets, right? And a lot of them if you want to make some serious anonymity.

I imagine this is why this method is not more popular

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I would probably use CoinJoin with JoinMarket or by running your own BTCPay Server instance and using their CoinJoin tool.

Kruw (a member on here) has posted some stuff about becoming your own CoinJoin coordinator but still waiting for a tutorial.

Here's some info I was able to find: https://stacker.news/items/582299

and another https://stacker.news/items/745364 where I asked him if he can write a tutorial on it but I don't know if he has yet.

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Quote from: DarknetMarkets on January 20, 2024, 06:01:14 PM

Nothing to do with that, it's just widely assumed now that Chainalysis and governments have technology that makes them obsolete, that they can track transactions through them.

Chain analysis can't do that yet. Governments were never able to do this on their own without enlisting the help of forensic firms.

Small coinjoins can be plotted using heuristics and enough compute power, but if you have thousands and thousands of UTXOs and coinjoin with that, then it is basically impossible to crunch all of that data currently.

Even if they could, there are mixers that hand you low AML score coins sold by other people. Like Jambler. There are others too, for more information, read my website.

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What a happy coincidence that one new user had a question and two other new users answered it by recommending an exchange.

It's as if they all arrived here with this in mind...

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Quote from: ? on November 14, 2024, 07:30:46 PM

How can swapping be a solution at all? Swapping in practice means just "swapping" transaction history with someone else. This create more problems than before, as the future trades can be attributed to you. In court, you would have to confess that you swapped.

Now we should discuss what a swap is. If you deposit BTC on Binance, buy XMR with it and withdraw it to your wallet. Isn't it a swap in some way? Or any order at all on any exchange?
In court, if it is necessary to prove the origin of money, it is quite irrelevant whether it is Bitcoin, XMR or Dollar. If you know that you will be in court for it at some point, then there is certainly no point in swapping anything, it is just a waste of money on various commissions.

Quote from: ? on November 14, 2024, 07:30:46 PM

Is there any way to go from BTC to XMR without swapping?

I guess a simple rename didn't work.

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How can swapping be a solution at all? Swapping in practice means just "swapping" transaction history with someone else. This create more problems than before, as the future trades can be attributed to you. In court, you would have to confess that you swapped. Is there any way to go from BTC to XMR without swapping?

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Quote from: DarknetMarkets on January 20, 2024, 05:03:10 PM

No!! Mixers don't work anymore, stay away from them. There is an easy way:

1 - get a Monero wallet (feather or mymonero)

2- get the tor browser

3- Swap your bitcoin for Monero (XMR). The best no-kyc exchange I think is xchange.me, they only charge 1%. They have a great tor website. Navigate here with your tor browser:

http://xmxmrjvjw3drvegm7m5gpqp3bsgp3x3bgc2x7jc76cacr74jhdwop7id.onion

4- Once you get the monero, movie it to a second monero address.

Because of how Monero works, your crypto is now fully anonymous. You can now swap it back for bitcoin or any other crypto, and your coins are untraceable.

This is a 100% way, since I watched an interview with a man in uniform and he talked about exactly such a money laundering scheme.

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Quote from: DNBible on January 29, 2024, 05:21:53 AM

I've written a guide that might answer some questions raised in this thread:

How to make Bitcoin or any other Crypto fully anonymous in 2024

Thank you very much for what you wrote but here it seems that your guide will not be needed.

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If you want BTC without having it tied to some sort of KYC then the right way to do it has always been to mine it to a fresh address. It’s built right into Bitcoin. You can use p2pool type mining pools or go ham and get enough hashrate to mine solo. Using mixers is like playing Russian Roulette with your money.

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just buy miners fresh coin rewards
end of story

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Quote from: aTriz on January 29, 2024, 06:32:07 AM

Quote from: DarknetMarkets on January 20, 2024, 05:03:10 PM

No!! Mixers don't work anymore, stay away from them. There is an easy way:

Mixers are only banned from this forum. Mixers themselves are still working.

Quote from: DarknetMarkets on January 20, 2024, 05:03:10 PM

Because of how Monero works, your crypto is now fully anonymous. You can now swap it back for bitcoin or any other crypto, and your coins are untraceable.

how should he swap them to keep them anonymous? using any centralized exchange would make them known to him again. which would kill the whole point.
I think A Good mixer is still better than all these hassles.

I just converted the bitcoins to Monero using Xchange over the tor browser:

http://xmxmrjvjw3drvegm7m5gpqp3bsgp3x3bgc2x7jc76cacr74jhdwop7id.onion

and then sent them to a second Monero address. No need to use a mixer anymore.

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Quote from: aTriz on January 29, 2024, 06:32:07 AM

how should he swap them to keep them anonymous? using any centralized exchange would make them known to him again. which would kill the whole point.
I think A Good mixer is still better than all these hassles.

He has to use a privacy focused exchange for the btc <-> xmr trades.

For instance exch.cx

1. no typical kyc/aml policies
2. has an onion version, works without JS, no cloudflare
3. does not use 3rd party liquidity provider

You get to choose from 2 pools of btc as well; one having less chances of getting flagged by custodians but less privacy or more privacy but higher chances of getting flagged.

But a reputable mixer is okay too if you don't want the extra hassle.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on January 29, 2024, 11:01:33 AM

Quote from: aTriz on January 29, 2024, 06:32:07 AM

Quote from: DarknetMarkets on January 20, 2024, 05:03:10 PM

Because of how Monero works, your crypto is now fully anonymous. You can now swap it back for bitcoin or any other crypto, and your coins are untraceable.

how should he swap them to keep them anonymous? using any centralized exchange would make them known to him again. which would kill the whole point.
I think A Good mixer is still better than all these hassles.

What he suggest works since Monero is fully privacy token which means it’s untraceable once you already sent it to other Monero wallet.

He suggest to use a DEX to purchase monero using his Bitcoin in able to have a fully privacy monero to begin the wash. There’s no problem anymore if you will send it on centralized exchange or something that will expose your identity because the token is already clean. The whole point of mixing or chasing privacy is to erase the source of that token that will lead to you.

Not all user is mixing just to hide their money. Some are mixing to getaway from whatever shit they did just to acquire that particular Bitcoin.

Yes, I understand that Monero itself is Good as long as it stays Monero. but I am not aware of any DEX which supports Monero to BTC swaps Monero and BTC both are Coins. Dexs are for tokens. so when it comes to converting monero into bitcoin again then we'll start loosing privacy.
The best we can do is use a manual centralized exchange such as BestChange or any similar site. but I am afraid that won't keep your privacy intact.

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Quote from: aTriz on January 29, 2024, 06:32:07 AM

Quote from: DarknetMarkets on January 20, 2024, 05:03:10 PM

Because of how Monero works, your crypto is now fully anonymous. You can now swap it back for bitcoin or any other crypto, and your coins are untraceable.

how should he swap them to keep them anonymous? using any centralized exchange would make them known to him again. which would kill the whole point.
I think A Good mixer is still better than all these hassles.

What he suggest works since Monero is fully privacy token which means it’s untraceable once you already sent it to other Monero wallet.

He suggest to use a DEX to purchase monero using his Bitcoin in able to have a fully privacy monero to begin the wash. There’s no problem anymore if you will send it on centralized exchange or something that will expose your identity because the token is already clean. The whole point of mixing or chasing privacy is to erase the source of that token that will lead to you.

Not all user is mixing just to hide their money. Some are mixing to getaway from whatever shit they did just to acquire that particular Bitcoin.

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Quote from: aTriz on January 29, 2024, 06:32:07 AM

Quote from: DarknetMarkets on January 20, 2024, 05:03:10 PM

No!! Mixers don't work anymore, stay away from them. There is an easy way:

Mixers are only banned from this forum. Mixers themselves are still working.

Quote from: DarknetMarkets on January 20, 2024, 05:03:10 PM

Because of how Monero works, your crypto is now fully anonymous. You can now swap it back for bitcoin or any other crypto, and your coins are untraceable.

how should he swap them to keep them anonymous? using any centralized exchange would make them known to him again. which would kill the whole point.
I think A Good mixer is still better than all these hassles.

Yes, right. Mixer is still open for service. In this forum, mixer promotions have indeed been banned due to several cases with the authorities for facilitating criminality in obscuring transactions which means that mixer promotions will not be displayed here. If the OP intends to use a mixer as a means of obscuring mixer transactions, perhaps one of the right alternatives is, to choose a good mixer, just check altcointalk and look at some of the reviews there.

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Quote from: DarknetMarkets on January 20, 2024, 05:03:10 PM

No!! Mixers don't work anymore, stay away from them. There is an easy way:

Mixers are only banned from this forum. Mixers themselves are still working.

Quote from: DarknetMarkets on January 20, 2024, 05:03:10 PM

Because of how Monero works, your crypto is now fully anonymous. You can now swap it back for bitcoin or any other crypto, and your coins are untraceable.

how should he swap them to keep them anonymous? using any centralized exchange would make them known to him again. which would kill the whole point.
I think A Good mixer is still better than all these hassles.

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I've written a guide that might answer some questions raised in this thread:

How to make Bitcoin or any other Crypto fully anonymous in 2024

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