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September 01, 2011, 02:25:19 PM
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what would the estimated hash rate level be?

I thought the general rule of thumb is (stream processors/4) = hash rate in MH/s, more or less.

So... 6000+/4 = 1500 mhashes for double GPU card, so 750 Mhase per GPU?  this seems too good to be true... can someone confirm?
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September 01, 2011, 02:22:19 PM
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what would the estimated hash rate level be?

I thought the general rule of thumb is (stream processors/4) = hash rate in MH/s, more or less.
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September 01, 2011, 02:16:54 PM
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So what's this I hear about the HD 7XXX series having at least double the number of stream processors as the 5XXX/6XXX series?  Anybody hear anything about this?

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2011/04/15/radeon-hd-7000-due-june-or-july/1

Though its older news, I don't know if the tech could have changed *that much* since then.  They report doubling of the stream processors is a 'conservative estimate'.  So thats ~1600 for a midlevel single-gpu card, and 6000+ for a high end double-gpu card.  I think.

what would the estimated hash rate level be?
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September 01, 2011, 01:41:34 PM
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So what's this I hear about the HD 7XXX series having at least double the number of stream processors as the 5XXX/6XXX series?  Anybody hear anything about this?

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2011/04/15/radeon-hd-7000-due-june-or-july/1

Though its older news, I don't know if the tech could have changed *that much* since then.  They report doubling of the stream processors is a 'conservative estimate'.  So thats ~1600 for a midlevel single-gpu card, and 6000+ for a high end double-gpu card.  I think.
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September 01, 2011, 01:25:08 PM
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So what's this I hear about the HD 7XXX series having at least double the number of stream processors as the 5XXX/6XXX series?  Anybody hear anything about this?
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? where's the nerd fight

Stop it, I'm tryin to get my troll on!

Bad potato!!! LOL
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? where's the nerd fight

Stop it, I'm tryin to get my troll on!
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NEEERRRRRRRRD FIIIIIIIIIIGHT!!!

? where's the nerd fight
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NEEERRRRRRRRD FIIIIIIIIIIGHT!!!
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VR-zone has a nice explanation I think of AMD's GCN architecture,the only real question is will it be present in the HD 7xxx series and what could this possibly increase the difficult for bitcoin and namecoins to absurd levels.
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Also, I didn't claim mobility chips release *first*, but since it seems you're really scrutinizing every word for some reason, here is the quote you posted, you can even go back and read it

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will be among the first

They came in after the low-end desktop variants and nearly a month before the 69xx cards.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-6550M.41143.0.html
I'm very sorry but now you're making yet another mistake.

Do you know what the HD 6550M is? It's a rebrand of the HD 5570. Codename is Redwood, UVD is 2.2.
It's from the HD 5xxx family, so it's no surprise that it was launched so fast.



Are you stalking my posts?
It's nothing personal, but I've just noticed that you are posting many, many errors.

I have probably become too autistic  for my own good.
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like claiming the HD6990 is a 5 gigaflop card
Are you stalking my posts?

It's quite obvious that's a mixup of terms, I was even linking to ASUS in that post which sources the processing power (which is indeed 5.2 teraFLOPS)
And yes, 6950 & above are VLIW4 and not 6850

Still, that has no bearing on 7xxx cards future so I don't know why you dug that up

Also, I didn't claim mobility chips release *first*, but since it seems you're really scrutinizing every word for some reason, here is the quote you posted, you can even go back and read it

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will be among the first

They came in after the low-end desktop variants and nearly a month before the 69xx cards.

http://vr-zone.com/articles/report-amd-radeon-hd-6970-priced-450-releasing-december-15th/10442.html#
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-6550M.41143.0.html

If you are done flaming or finding typos, maybe you have something interesting or relevant to the new cards to post
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It's also a good idea to clarify your position when shooting someone else's down.  Either counter with stats that invalidate the point, or you're also spreading misinformation.
Do I need to? Read what Jack actually said.

"Also, AMD and Nvidia account for nearly all of TSMC's business."
This is so blatantly wrong, it's like claiming the earth is flat.
If you don't understand where I'm coming from, Jack made many bullshit statements before, like claiming the HD6990 is a 5 gigaflop card. This one is really bad misinformation.
Or when he claimed Barts was VLIW4
Or like when he claimed that mobiles parts are the ones released first
All of that is pure misinformation, especially the first one, and just now he wanted us to believe AMD and nvidia are TSMC's only customers...  Huh



The only 'real' clients for 28nm high-k metal gate wafers are Nvidia and AMD
Okay so now you're backtracking, I'll accept that. Before, you claimed AMD and Nvidia accounted for all of TSMC's business, suddenly now you were only talking about the 28 nm processes all along.

Bad news, interview of TSMC CEO confirmed 28nm chips will be delayed because AMD/Nvidia have canceled their major orders for this year.
28nm chips will only account for some 1% of their revenues by end of Q4 this year
Here's where you went wrong. High end videocard chips are very low volume, and TSMC has many other customers, so a low number like 1% could even be natural. But you didn't know that.
So you erroneously assumed that 1% was "proof" that Nvida and AMD cancelled their orders. This was the big fallacy on your part all along.

You posted a link that stated "28nm chips will only account for some 1% of their revenues" then stated "AMD/Nvidia have canceled their major orders". A feather becomes a chicken.


I was saying that 1% could still mean a lot of wafers. The reason for this is that TSMC has a lot of other customers who utilize their older 55 and 65 nm processes.
Then you attempted to argue against this, by claiming that AMD and Nvidia were the only customers of TSMC anyway in order to give the misleading picture of that 1 percentage amounting to nothing. Which is blatantly wrong. They have many other customer, Which is EXACTLY the reason why that 1 percentage could still be a lot of wafers.



The 28nm delay is real and it's happening.
TSMC's projected 28 nm revenues going from 2.5% to 1% does not mean the world is going to end.

This is not proof that AMD has cancelled their orders.
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Quote from: KKatan
Why not post your own hardware news or info/links instead of claiming everything I posted is false?

The 28nm delay is real and it's happening.

I didn't see you posting any useful links or information.
Besides stupid shit about how everything here is wrong and you are right. Maybe I should report you for trolling.

Are you interested in adding facts & discussing future chips or feeding your petty little forum ego?

(btw I didn't post those quotes, they were from the interview of the TSMC CEO)
Also all of their financial data is publicly available in pdf form at http://www.tsmc.com/english/investorRelations/index.html

The only 'real' clients for 28nm high-k metal gate wafers are Nvidia and AMD (Elpida Corp. which makes RAM modules accounts for a minuscule portion),
companies like Texas Instruments, Apple and Qualcomm only buy 28nm LP wafers for field programmable gate arrays (smartphones, laptops)
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Either way, by the time I get enough bitcoin mined to buy a second gfx card, I bet the 7000 series will be out, works out in the long run Smiley.
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Also, AMD and Nvidia account for nearly all of TSMC's business.
Okay. You don't know what you're talking about. It's best to just step back instead of spreading more misinformation.

Your world may revolve around video cards, but the real world does not do that.

It's also a good idea to clarify your position when shooting someone else's down.  Either counter with stats that invalidate the point, or you're also spreading misinformation.
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Also, AMD and Nvidia account for nearly all of TSMC's business.
Okay. You don't know what you're talking about. It's best to just step back instead of spreading more misinformation.

Your world may revolve around video cards, but the real world does not do that.



Southern Islands taped out already back in February...

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expected to account for 2-3% of its total wafer sales in the last quarter of the year.

However, it now seems like this figure was exaggerated, and that chip sales based on this node will hardly go over 1%.
Going from 2.5% to 1%.
How can you be sure that 1 lost percentage didn't belong to nvidia?
As I said, everybody already knows nvidia sucks at new manufacturing processes.
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How can you be sure this has any relevance to AMD at all? Southern Islands taped out already back in February...

From what I read, in Q2

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20110422111145_AMD_Expects_Two_28nm_Tape_Outs_This_Quarter.html

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AMD Anticipates to Tape-Out First 28nm Chips in Q2 2011

"We expect several 28nm tape-outs during the current quarter. We balance our loading according to risk performance and price. But we also said that there is, of course, a natural incentive for us at this point to work closely with Globalfoundries, and that is, of course, something we continue to do," said Thomas Seifert, interim chief executive officer of AMD and chief financial officer.

Also, AMD and Nvidia account for nearly all of TSMC's business.

I'm just posting the news as they come because the delays are relevant for mining

http://uptonews.com/07/tsmc-admits-28nm-ramp-up-is-taking-longer-than-expected.html

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A little more than two weeks ago, the foundry stated their 28nm fabrication process is on track to enter mass production in the fourth quarter of 2011 and that it is expected to account for 2-3% of its total wafer sales in the last quarter of the year.

However, it now seems like this figure was exaggerated, and that chip sales based on this node will hardly go over 1%.

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TSMC hasn’t revealed any information regarding the customers that are expected to mass produce chips based on this advanced fabrication node in 2011, but both AMD and Nvidia rely on this process to build their next-generation graphics cards.
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TSMC CEO confirmed 28nm chips will be delayed because AMD/Nvidia have canceled their major orders for this year.

Where does it say this?  Huh


1% could still be a lot of wafers. Do you have any data of how many of their existing customers are still utilizing their 65 nm process for example?
It was never a big secret that high end videocards have always been low volume.


Quote from: TSMC
The delay of 28-nanometer is not due to their quality issue, actually we have regular tape out and it is unplanned. The July ramping is mainly because of softening economy for our customers, so customers delayed a tape out to us. So therefore, the 28-nanometer revenue contribution by the end of fourth quarter this year will be roughly above 1% of our total wafer revenue.
How can you be sure this has any relevance to AMD at all? Southern Islands taped out already back in February...
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