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Quote from: John Abraham on June 06, 2023, 12:05:11 AM

I don't know if he is a kind of developer/programmer or whatever. How did he help Bitcoin? Of course, he helped build a business with Bitcoin which Bitcoiners appreciate. When some of us call him a scammer, people argue. Roll Eyes

Instead, they call him a pure businessman who adopted Bitcoin for his benefit and is still vouching for a centralized Token with no supply limit and no proof of work!

It doesn't really matter what he may have done for bitcoin in the past if you ask me. What matters is the scam he pulled in the end.
I'm not going to make accusations and I don't really care enough to find out what he has done in early years but one wonders whether his intentions were always to scam people. After all this is not the first time, the most recent case was Elon Musk who gained some popularity in the cryptocurrency world by speaking positively about bitcoin, even accepting bitcoin in his companies right before he started scamming people with pump and dumping shitcoins, namely Doge.

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Who knows what goes on in the mysterious mind of Roger Ver? Maybe he's just keeping us all on our toes and enjoying the thrill.

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We are talking about the guy that was called, Bitcoin Jesus and then he turned into Bitcoin Judas. (traitor)

He dumped the real Bitcoin (BTC) for Bitcoin Cash like it was nothing, showing his real commitment to making profit and not committing to the cause to support Bitcoin (BTC) addoption.

Now, Bitcoin Cash is not making him the profits that he expected, so he is jumping onto the next thing that he thinks, will make him big profits. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: pooya87 on June 04, 2023, 01:16:50 PM

they clicked on "buy bitcoin" and ordered "bitcoin" and paid for "bitcoin" hoping to receive "bitcoin" but instead they received a garbage called bcash. If that is not called a scam, I don't know what is!

Yet some people still love to vouch for him just because he was one of the early adopters. I don't know if he is a kind of developer/programmer or whatever. How did he help Bitcoin? Of course, he helped build a business with Bitcoin which Bitcoiners appreciate. When some of us call him a scammer, people argue. Roll Eyes

Instead, they call him a pure businessman who adopted Bitcoin for his benefit and is still vouching for a centralized Token with no supply limit and no proof of work!

Laszlo is famous for his 10K Bitcoin pizzas. How many of us know that this guy wrote the code for GPU Mining? How many of us know that He was the first Bitcoin developer to release the Bitcoin code for Mac OS? I thought Ver also contributed to the Bitcoin development and network somehow. But I found nothing on the Internet.

Quote from: ChiBitCTy on June 05, 2023, 05:59:08 PM

Just look at how he touts freedom of speech, yet his own website moderates comments, and will delete comments as they see fit ( comments that don't fit their agenda, of course).

Did you check his forum in recent days? There have been no posts made in the last six months. Online Stats shows 993 Online users, and 991 of them are guests Cheesy

. Only two registered users are online, and both of them are bots.

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What's wrong with Roger Ver loo, where to begin? Honestly I haven't heard his name or seen him pop up in the "land of cryptocurrency" in quite some time, which I of course am not upset by. Ver is and has always been full of shit. Just look at how he touts freedom of speech, yet his own website moderates comments, and will delete comments as they see fit ( comments that don't fit their agenda, of course).

I have zero interest in what Ver says because he lost all credibility a long time ago.

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Quote from: John Abraham on May 31, 2023, 04:07:26 AM

What's wrong with Mr. Roger ver? Did Vuterin Start Paying him to vouch for ETH? What is your thought?

A time always comes when every man must be compelled to do something right for once after so many years of doing the wrong things, though in this case, I personally think Roger ver is completely wrong to have assumed that Ethereum is driving adoption much more than bitcoin.
But atleast, him not taking about his scam bitcoin cash being the real bitcoin this time is really commendable.

But right now, I can't help but wonder what exactly moved him to believe that Ethereum is the coin driving adoption, or maybe he just loaded some bag of Ethereum coins, and wants to start shilling eth to see if the price would pump.

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Quote from: Learn Bitcoin on June 04, 2023, 12:29:24 PM

Quote from: Myleschetty on June 04, 2023, 11:48:27 AM

He even once said " I can't believe some people still think BTC is Bitcoin."
People like him shouldn't be trusted because they will always want to manipulate the market for their selfish benefit.

Just say Fuck it and go on. I am speechless about how far people can go for their own benefit. I mean, seriously? He claimed BCH as Bitcoin and referred to the whitepaper. People are not dumb these days. Even newbies know that Bitcoin was invented in 2009, and BCH was a few years ago. So, How is BCH supposed to replace Bitcoin? The old one is fake, and the new one is a replica of the fake one? I can't stop laughing, man. He might be suffering from various mental issues. His friends and family should take care of him.

I'm happy to hear that the newbies are not dumb these days because most of the strategy used by people like Ver is that the Bitcoin mechanism and mode of operation is old and should to replace.
The sad thing is that most of these people are those that have already made some million bucks through Bitcoin.

Quote from: Learn Bitcoin on June 04, 2023, 12:29:24 PM

I understand that every business person wants to profit from everything. But, That should be in a legit way.

This is why I like the way the US SEC is charging some influencers these days for illegal marketing and hype.

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Quote from: Myleschetty on June 04, 2023, 11:48:27 AM

He even once said "I can’t believe some people still think BTC is Bitcoin."
People like him shouldn't be trusted because they will always want to manipulate the market for their selfish benefit.

This is what I am talking about. You and others simply don't understand the context, presumably because you weren't around at the time. What is interesting is that you even posted the pictures the pictures that justify his statement, but you still don't understand.

Let me explain quickly. In the pictures, he is showing that Bitcoin was originally intended to be a payment system, and that BCash (BCH) kept the idea of keeping transaction fees low so that it would make is a better payment system, as intended. In contrast, Bitcoin's (BTC) small blocks make it less useful as a payment system because the fees are too high. That is what he means when he says something like "BTC is not Bitcoin and BCash is the real Bitcoin". Saying that he is trying to manipulate a market or trick people into buying BCH is just being ignorant.

If you disagree with him, that's fine, but at least respect his opinion.

I do respect his opinion and if what you explain is actually what he means there are ways in doing a thing to avoid public misunderstanding because I am sure I am not the only one that has a negative impression of his statement.

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Quote from: Myleschetty on June 04, 2023, 11:48:27 AM

He even once said "I can’t believe some people still think BTC is Bitcoin."
People like him shouldn't be trusted because they will always want to manipulate the market for their selfish benefit.

This is what I am talking about. You and others simply don't understand the context, presumably because you weren't around at the time. What is interesting is that you even posted the pictures the pictures that justify his statement, but you still don't understand.

Let me explain quickly. In the pictures, he is showing that Bitcoin was originally intended to be a payment system, and that BCash (BCH) kept the idea of keeping transaction fees low so that it would make is a better payment system, as intended. In contrast, Bitcoin's (BTC) small blocks make it less useful as a payment system because the fees are too high. That is what he means when he says something like "BTC is not Bitcoin and BCash is the real Bitcoin". Saying that he is trying to manipulate a market or trick people into buying BCH is just being ignorant.

If you disagree with him, that's fine, but at least respect his opinion.

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in these cases it is natural for me to ask myself.. what do I care about what Roger Ver says? Is he the CEO of bitcoin Roll Eyes

? Does he have any "power" about it ?
obviously not to all questions, so ok I appreciate and respect his thinking and his past on this technology and spreading adoption but according his support to bitcoin cash and many many many other controversies I don't care too much about his opinion.

personally in this area there are few opinions that should be "followed".
at least they must be supported by numbers, otherwise they have no meaning

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Why are you so concerned about Roger's comment? I don't even follow Elon anymore because it seems like everyone is solely focused on making money. Roger amassed a significant amount of Bitcoins, which is why he decided to fork Bitcoin and gain Bitcoin Cash. It's all just a game for making money. Just because he's the founder of Bitcoin Cash doesn't mean he can't discuss other cryptocurrencies. And why should we care about what he says? It's the same with Elon tweeting about Doge to pump up its value and make money. It's a straightforward strategy for these influential individuals, often referred to as whales.

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Quote from: odolvlobo on June 03, 2023, 07:32:24 PM

I feel that there is a lot of undeserved scorn for Roger Ver.

I would bet that none of the persons responding in this thread has ever met him. I would also bet that most of the people responding to this thread were not even aware of Bitcoin when he was around. I would also bet that most people have not even bothered to read what he has written or listened to what he has said. Everything you know about him is second-hand, at best. It is said that it is the victors who write the history. Roger Ver was a big-blocker and he had very good reasons for his opinion, but the big-blockers lost the debate, and so now everything you hear about him is from people who were against him.

The fact is that Roger Ver has done more for Bitcoin than any person stating any opinion here.

Like everyone else, he has made mistakes and said stupid things. The biggest one was believing his friend Mark Karpeles, when it was pretty clear that Mt Gox was failing. But, he is not a scammer and he is not a con man, as people like to claim.

Yes, I certainly don't know Roger Ver personally.

I agree with you that Roger Ver showed great wisdom and foresight in his time when he became one of the first bitcoin holders.

However, his attack on Bitcoin is a very ignoble act. You should not try to destroy what has made you rich and powerful. This is a very thankless act. Roger Ver tried to destroy Bitcoin (a decentralized financial asset, the property of all mankind). He did this because of his exorbitant greed and exorbitant ambitions.

Not to mention that as a result of his actions, thousands of people could have suffered - holders of bitcoins, including those who invested in the first cryptocurrency under the influence of Roger Ver himself.

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Quote from: Lucius on June 03, 2023, 06:15:33 AM

In order for you to care about something, you must first understand the difference between Bitcoin and everything else, and most people don't even understand the most important basics. As for the list (if you are referring to the marketcap), it is of course completely misleading in the sense that it leads people to think in a completely wrong way.

The markepcap list affect people's investment decisions though. Not everybody has the critical thinking skills. In fact most people don't think at all. When they see eth at #2, they think it must be a good project.

Quote from: Lucius on June 03, 2023, 06:15:33 AM

As far as I'm concerned, the president of the US and the Pope of Rome can thank him, but that doesn't erase the fact that he's a devious, hypocritical and greedy bastard. Regardless of all the good you may have done in life, people will always remember the bad.

Dunno, I wouldn't accept any help from a person like that or thank him If I were Andreas but that's just me. I always prefer to keep my distance with these people. Because in the long run their favors do more harm than good in my experience.

It is like accepting a donation from a guy that's sending dangerous vibes, what happens when this guy blows up a school few months later? Everybody will be looking at the huge donation you got from that person.

Quote from: Lucius on June 03, 2023, 06:15:33 AM

Maybe it means something to someone that he is rich, it means nothing to me personally. Even if he has ten times more money than now, does that make him a better person?

That's the point, he don't give a flying shit about what you or anyone else thinks about him. Being a better person? I don't think he cares about that either. He cares about making money and he is good at it.

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Quote from: odolvlobo on June 03, 2023, 07:32:24 PM

But, he is not a scammer and he is not a con man, as people like to claim.

It is not a claim, it is a fact.
If you pay for a bar of gold but in return they hand you a piece of wood painted yellow, what would you call that?

In case of Ver, newbies went on google and searched for "how to buy bitcoin". Then they found a website that ended with ".com" and was called "bitcoin" so they went there thinking they have found the "official" bitcoin website. Then they clicked on "buy bitcoin" and ordered "bitcoin" and paid for "bitcoin" hoping to receive "bitcoin" but instead they received a garbage called bcash.
If that is not called a scam, I don't know what is!

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Quote from: Myleschetty on June 04, 2023, 11:48:27 AM

He even once said " I can't believe some people still think BTC is Bitcoin."
People like him shouldn't be trusted because they will always want to manipulate the market for their selfish benefit.

Just say Fuck it and go on. I am speechless about how far people can go for their own benefit. I mean, seriously? He claimed BCH as Bitcoin and referred to the whitepaper. People are not dumb these days. Even newbies know that Bitcoin was invented in 2009, and BCH was a few years ago. So, How is BCH supposed to replace Bitcoin? The old one is fake, and the new one is a replica of the fake one? I can't stop laughing, man. He might be suffering from various mental issues. His friends and family should take care of him.

I understand that every business person wants to profit from everything. But, That should be in a legit way. Doing scams and making a profit is the most hated way to make money. Many Indians are living in the US; sometimes, when someone asks them where they are from, when they say they are Indian, Other people think of Tech Support Scam.

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He's an investor and looking for ways to maximize his profits. Maybe he was unable to buy bitcoin some days back when it was at under $15k LOL. Now spreading this kind of words to make the market struggle, so he can fill up his bags again. Just saying tho. But the main reason could be to manipulate the market. The fact is still unsure.
But the thing is, it's his own personal choice, and he can say or do whatever he likes. Bitcoin is here to stay and it will. Influences makes so many comments like this, and we see a market movement. But the effect is temporary. I think there's no need to worry about it. We have seen a lot in the past and here we are. Bitcoin is still at the top, doing just fine.

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Quote from: John Abraham on May 31, 2023, 04:07:26 AM

What's wrong with Mr. Roger ver? Did Vuterin Start Paying him to vouch for ETH? What is your thought?

[1] https://www.investopedia.com/tech/who-roger-ver-bitcoin-jesus/
[2] https://cryptoslate.com/ethereum-will-drive-global-cryptocurrency-adoption-not-bitcoin-roger-ver/

I don't think Vitalik Buterin paid him to vouch for ETH. You may not know that Roger Ver is the same breed as Craig Steven Wright the only difference is that Ver did not claim to be Satoshi as CSW.
He even once said "I can’t believe some people still think BTC is Bitcoin."
People like him shouldn't be trusted because they will always want to manipulate the market for their selfish benefit.

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The CryptoSlate article you cite is based on a YouTube interview Ver did. This YouTube video only has 1.4k views. It goes to show you how relevant Roger Ver is in 2023. Nobody cares what he has to say. He is bitter that Bitcoin did not go in the direction he wanted it to go so so he will say whatever to tear it down and will hype up any random altcoin. Remember when he was shilling Dash and Zcash? Neither of those coins have really gotten any kind of adoption. It is really sad to go from being one of the most prominent bitcoiners to becoming a laughingstock.

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Quote from: odolvlobo on June 03, 2023, 07:32:24 PM

~snip~
The fact is that Roger Ver has done more for Bitcoin than any person stating any opinion here.

It's good to know that there are still people who consider him a kind of messiah, without whom Bitcoin would not be what it is today. I will say that I absolutely do not agree that he should be given so much credibility, regardless of the fact that he was one of the early adopters, but so was Gavin and many others who later turned out to be very naive people, to say the least.

Quote from: nutildah on June 04, 2023, 12:41:21 AM

None of us has done as much damage to Bitcoin as he has, either.
~snip~

Obviously, some don't think he has done significant damage when it comes to Bitcoin, but everyone is entitled to an opinion and it's good to share it publicly so others know how "worthless" they really are compared to people like Roger Ver.

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Yeah been a few years since I heard his name. I remember he was selling memory chips and accepted Bitcoin at his store and basically held the Bitcoin until it became worth millions.

He was crazy during that Bitcoin cash and Bitcoin debate. No idea why he acted that way. He lost it on some of those interviews and then didn’t hear from him for years.

Very strange that he now is talking about ethereum however. Who knows maybe he knows deep down that Bitcoin cash was never going to replace Bitcoin.

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Quote from: odolvlobo on June 03, 2023, 07:32:24 PM

The fact is that Roger Ver has done more for Bitcoin than any person stating any opinion here.

None of us has done as much damage to Bitcoin as he has, either.

Quote from: odolvlobo on June 03, 2023, 07:32:24 PM

Like everyone else, he has made mistakes and said stupid things. The biggest one was believing his friend Mark Karpeles when it was pretty clear to everyone that Mt Gox was failing. But, he is not a scammer and he is not a con man, as people like to claim.

He's greed-driven to the point of being a sociopath -- I thought this was pretty well established. He's the kind of person who will do or say anything to accumulate more money, at the expense of anyone else around him. It's simply not part of his brain to experience empathy, sympathy and shame the way most human beings do, which is part of what allowed him to become so "successful."

https://bitcoinist.com/roger-ver-antonopoulos-millionaire/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/8h4dit/roger_ver_is_a_wellknown_scammer/
https://cryptoslate.com/coinflex-co-founder-accuses-roger-ver-of-betrayal-in-near-bankruptcy-saga/

The irony is Bitcoin Cash would probably be doing much better today if it had any other name without the word "Bitcoin" in it.

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