I feel that there is a lot of undeserved scorn for Roger Ver.
I would bet that none of the persons responding in this thread has ever met him. I would also bet that most of the people responding to this thread were not even aware of Bitcoin when he was around. I would also bet that most people have not even bothered to read what he has written or listened to what he has said. Everything you know about him is second-hand, at best. It is said that it is the victors who write the history. Roger Ver was a big-blocker and he had very good reasons for his opinion, but the big-blockers lost the debate, and so now everything you hear about him is from people who were against him.
The fact is that Roger Ver has done more for Bitcoin than any person stating any opinion here.
Like everyone else, he has made mistakes and said stupid things. The biggest one was believing his friend Mark Karpeles, when it was pretty clear that Mt Gox was failing. But, he is not a scammer and he is not a con man, as people like to claim.
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He likes attention, he’s potentially autistic or on some sort of spectrum. He tried to emancipate from his parents when he was a very young boy because he bought a car & they made him return it. He’s just a very odd guy, a classic narcissist. He probably still has lots of bitcoin but he has no power in a decentralised coin which is why he set up BCH & was part of the block size wars.
For those who don’t know, his account on this forum is:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/memorydealers-10310
For those who don’t know, his account on this forum is:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/memorydealers-10310
Maybe the small sect of fanatic Bitcoin Cash supporters would still trust Ver, but I'm not sure how many people still support BCH. 
I don't think anybody ever really "supported" bcash. Just like Ver, as you pointed out, it was an opportunity that many people took advantage of to make some money. For example when the miners switched to bcash was because they had manipulated the difficulty adjustment rules and over a thousand blocks were being mined per day (instead of the normal ~144 blocks/day). 
That's the thing with this new shenanigan. Nobody gives a crap about Ver but if some opportunists see a potential in his bullshit advertisement, it could suddenly become a pumping opportunity. Although so far ETH is dumping more than it can pump... despite the desperate pumping attempts...
Nobody cares about these stuff anymore. Ripple, which is a premined shitcoin and a security, has no right be in the list but it has been there for years anyway.
In order for you to care about something, you must first understand the difference between Bitcoin and everything else, and most people don't even understand the most important basics. As for the list (if you are referring to the marketcap), it is of course completely misleading in the sense that it leads people to think in a completely wrong way.
It is not always black and white. He surely has an interesting story. Andreas thanked him in his book and that surprised me when I saw it and he is one of the most hard core bitcoiners. Maybe RV was always like that but the community couldn't see through him or maybe he changed after some stuff happened.
As far as I'm concerned, the president of the US and the Pope of Rome can thank him, but that doesn't erase the fact that he's a devious, hypocritical and greedy bastard. Regardless of all the good you may have done in life, people will always remember the bad.
Whatever it is, the guy is still rich af and that's what counts at the end of the day I guess.
Maybe it means something to someone that he is rich, it means nothing to me personally. Even if he has ten times more money than now, does that make him a better person?
Only for those who do not understand the manipulation they use to be the second largest, which is the fact that this shitcoin has a current circulating supply of 120 million tokens, with the fact that it is not even known what the max supply is. Even if they increase the max supply by 100% at this moment, at the current price, they would still be second.
Nobody cares about these stuff anymore. Ripple, which is a premined shitcoin and a security, has no right be in the list but it has been there for years anyway.
How did they manage this? Probably bribing the right people...
Where do they get the money? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Why don't anybody talk about it? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
He has no motivation to destroy Bitcoin, he is simply an ordinary leech that goes from one host to another and exploits it until it passes to another. Even if he wants to destroy Bitcoin, do you think such a slob has even a 1% chance of doing it?
It is not always black and white. He surely has an interesting story. Andreas thanked him in his book and that surprised me when I saw it and he is one of the most hard core bitcoiners. Maybe RV was always like that but the community couldn't see through him or maybe he changed after some stuff happened.
Whatever it is, the guy is still rich af and that's what counts at the end of the day I guess.
I feel bad for Roger Ver....
Why? He is not living in poverty. He probably lived a life most of us won't in a 1000 years.
Shame he left the forum, would have liked that extra plurality (where's the sarcasm emoji?).
Still not sure what Ver refers to when he says Bitcoin these days, because according to him, he's following the "real Bitcoin" (BCH), which keeps losing market share. He always thought this was an important indicator, and why Bitcoin was ded... he proved to be prophetic though, as his version of Bitcoin actually is (dead).
Still not sure what Ver refers to when he says Bitcoin these days, because according to him, he's following the "real Bitcoin" (BCH), which keeps losing market share. He always thought this was an important indicator, and why Bitcoin was ded... he proved to be prophetic though, as his version of Bitcoin actually is (dead).
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Right now Eth is the second biggest crypto in terms of marketcap and if eth somehow takes over btc, RV will celebrate it as if his own failed project accomplished it.
Right now Eth is the second biggest crypto in terms of marketcap and if eth somehow takes over btc, RV will celebrate it as if his own failed project accomplished it.
Only for those who do not understand the manipulation they use to be the second largest, which is the fact that this shitcoin has a current circulating supply of 120 million tokens, with the fact that it is not even known what the max supply is. Even if they increase the max supply by 100% at this moment, at the current price, they would still be second.
That's pretty much about him. A bitcoin Judas. His only motivation is to destroy bitcoin.
He has no motivation to destroy Bitcoin, he is simply an ordinary leech that goes from one host to another and exploits it until it passes to another. Even if he wants to destroy Bitcoin, do you think such a slob has even a 1% chance of doing it?
He is anti-bitcoin, pro-shitcoin since 2017. He isn't really into ethereum imo because his own failed project is also copying many of eth's features like token creation. He is favoring eth or any other altcoin just so he can badmouth bitcoin. Right now Eth is the second biggest crypto in terms of marketcap and if eth somehow takes over btc, RV will celebrate it as if his own failed project accomplished it. That's pretty much about him. A bitcoin Judas. His only motivation is to destroy bitcoin.
Mate, easy does it! Let's not ruffle our feathers just because the Bitcoin bigwig lobbed a compliment Ethereum's way. Merely because Roger Ver tipped his hat to Ethereum doesn't imply he's buckled into the Vitalik rollercoaster. He might just be conceding that Ethereum isn't merely living in Bitcoin's shadow anymore.
Think of Ethereum as the plucky, once-overlooked kin who's now stepping into the spotlight. It's loaded with brainy contracts and a sturdy playground for dapps - scoff not at this!
Bear in mind, in the wild frontier of crypto, diversity is a boon. Let's steer clear of a digital duel. Every cryptocurrency brings its charm to the crypto cocktail! Thus, be it Bitcoin or Ethereum you're betting on, safeguard those cyber golden geese!
Think of Ethereum as the plucky, once-overlooked kin who's now stepping into the spotlight. It's loaded with brainy contracts and a sturdy playground for dapps - scoff not at this!
Bear in mind, in the wild frontier of crypto, diversity is a boon. Let's steer clear of a digital duel. Every cryptocurrency brings its charm to the crypto cocktail! Thus, be it Bitcoin or Ethereum you're betting on, safeguard those cyber golden geese!
Well that's an understatement!
He didn't "turn into bcash" he became the biggest scammer of 2017 onward. As you may know he owns and controls bitcoin.com website, something that many newbies find in their google search about bitcoin. In this site he not only promoted this shitcoin but he scammed numerous newbies by selling them bcash when they tried buying bitcoin.
In fact you can find many confused newbies on bitcointalk from those days asking why they never received bitcoin when they bought it from Roger Ver!
He chose to shill Bitcoin Cash and tried to mislead people by using the name Bitcoin Core for Bitcoin. He claimed Bitcoin Cash is Bitcoin, a big scammer. There are assumptions that Bitcoin Cash team stood behind the attack on Bitcoin network in 2017 and caused transaction fees rose to very expensive levels.He didn't "turn into bcash" he became the biggest scammer of 2017 onward. As you may know he owns and controls bitcoin.com website, something that many newbies find in their google search about bitcoin. In this site he not only promoted this shitcoin but he scammed numerous newbies by selling them bcash when they tried buying bitcoin.
In fact you can find many confused newbies on bitcointalk from those days asking why they never received bitcoin when they bought it from Roger Ver!
The website domain was chosen to help their scam too. Bitcoin [dot] com as if they call their coin is BitcoinCash, the website should be bitcoincash[dot]com.
Roger Ver did not stop with Bitcoin Cash and he continued with Azbit project with its bounty
You can see Roger Ver as an Azbit advisor at its azbit.com main page
Why do we care about what he say when he has nothing to do with bitcoin at all? He has tried people to support his coin but the word is simply make them fool for personal profits and let him speak what he says about ETH.He has also used his cheap tactics to promote some fake articles on his site about btc misrepresenting information about it but what happened to Bitcoin Cash ? Did it surpass btc or solve the problems he tried to do so? So according to me we should also not make these people talks a matter of discussion.
Roger Ver helped in the early days of Bitcoin adoption, but later on, he believed that scaling is the biggest problem of Bitcoin and tried to create his own version of Bitcoin, that would solve the scaling issue(and failed miserably). He's more like an opportunist rather than a believer.
Like many forum members have already stated, Ver is more like a businessman and investor, rather than a Bitcoin developer.
I highly doubt that Vitalik Buterin would pay Roger Ver for vouching crypto projects. Ver has little to no authority in the crypto world, after he lost the scaling war in 2017. Maybe the small sect of fanatic Bitcoin Cash supporters would still trust Ver, but I'm not sure how many people still support BCH.
Like many forum members have already stated, Ver is more like a businessman and investor, rather than a Bitcoin developer.
I highly doubt that Vitalik Buterin would pay Roger Ver for vouching crypto projects. Ver has little to no authority in the crypto world, after he lost the scaling war in 2017. Maybe the small sect of fanatic Bitcoin Cash supporters would still trust Ver, but I'm not sure how many people still support BCH.
What's wrong with Mr. Roger ver? Did Vuterin Start Paying him to vouch for ETH? What is your thought?
I feel bad for Roger Ver....
I don't because I remember him from the time when I registered on the forum (with my main account) and before that I was interested in bitcoin. The reasons have already been stated, not only did he raise and lose a war, worst of all he tricked people into thinking they were buying bitcoin when they were actually buying shitcoin.
I feel bad for people who have bad luck or things like that, not for those who dig their own grave. And anyway, rest assured he's not going to starve, I just looked it up and he has a net worth of $550 million.
In 2017, Roger Ver Turned Into Bitcoin Cash.
Well that's an understatement!He didn't "turn into bcash" he became the biggest scammer of 2017 onward. As you may know he owns and controls bitcoin.com website, something that many newbies find in their google search about bitcoin. In this site he not only promoted this shitcoin but he scammed numerous newbies by selling them bcash when they tried buying bitcoin.
In fact you can find many confused newbies on bitcointalk from those days asking why they never received bitcoin when they bought it from Roger Ver!
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What's wrong with Mr. Roger ver? Did Vuterin Start Paying him to vouch for ETH? What is your thought?
We have to wait and see but considering his history, he may be brewing another scam to rip many newbies off.Specially since to this day nobody has said anything remotely positive about the biggest scam of cryptocurrency market without having a personal benefit in it.
Ver will say hust about anything to make the BTC developer feel regretful as if he is telling 'I told you so'.
Hence the creation of BTC Cash was because of that scaling and sizing. Ver is making noise since, he owns a BTC forum once which wasn't very active and lost the competition with bitcointalk.
ETH is widely adopted than BTC alright but BTC is still the safest and most priced cryptocurrency that is not deem security by the regulators.
What's wrong with his statement? It seems perfectly reasonable to me. He might be right. He might be wrong. We will see.
You seem to want to vouch for Roger Ver. no? It's not reasonable at all. Yeah. We will find out. Quote
BTW, have you noticed how more and more people are referring to Bitcoin transaction fees as "gas"? That should tell you something.
If someone is stupid enough not to understand what Gwei and Satoshi are, That's their problem. It's not mine. By the way, Do you have the statistics on how many people refer to Bitcoin transaction fees as "gas"? I did not find it harmful. They are basically ETH people trying to learn Bitcoin and referring to it as "gas". Or maybe not. Who knows?Quote
Anyway, loyalty to a cryptocurrency is stupid.
I don't expect anyone to be loyal to a specific cryptocurrency. But I love to see people use the right coin. Why would I vouch for a centralized coin with no proof of work? They can create an infinite amount of coins out of thin air. Did you forget what happened during the Terra Luna Crash? They Increased their supply until it became zero. Why would I trust Vitalik? The Fun Fact is, His forum.bitcoin.com has no post in 2023. The last post was made in 2022.
Another Fun Fact; I have never seen a active flag which theymos opposed which Roger Ver has ; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=10310
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Mr. Roger Ver has the freedom to express his views about cryptocurrency. He might have been a strong supporter of bitcoin in the past but he has changed his beliefs. Maybe he knows what we don't know and vice versa. It could also be that he has been influenced to promote ETH because of some financial benefits. Even Bible Judas betrayed Jesus he called his Lord and Messiah, therefore what Ver did is not new. From his history, Roger is driven by greed and selfishness which was why he lost the wealth he acquired. I am sure that if he still owns the 400,000 bitcoin he lost, he wouldn't have made these comments. He is broke and looking for where to earn some money. Only time will justify if his position is true or false.
We have the freedom too to call him shit. We don't care if someone is loyal to Bitcoin or not. Let's say Roger talks about a coin that has a supply limit and proof of work where they cannot create a coin out of thin air. It's not like there are no coins like Bitcoin. Take Litecoin for example; he could have vouch for that. But, No. He is not holding any Litecoin. So there is no profit touching for Litecoin. The same thing goes for Bitcoin as well. I don't think he owns more than a few Satoshi since 2016. Now he started talking shit and the media covers his shit talk.
Yesterday, This guy did not talk about Bitcoin Cash But about Ethereum. He said, “Even though Ethereum doesn’t have the biggest market cap compared to Bitcoin, I think Ethereum is the front-runner in terms of driving worldwide adoption.” [2]
What's wrong with Mr. Roger ver? Did Vuterin Start Paying him to vouch for ETH? What is your thought?
Mr. Roger Ver has the freedom to express his views about cryptocurrency. He might have been a strong supporter of bitcoin in the past but he has changed his beliefs. Maybe he knows what we don't know and vice versa. It could also be that he has been influenced to promote ETH because of some financial benefits. Even Bible Judas betrayed Jesus he called his Lord and Messiah, therefore what Ver did is not new. From his history, Roger is driven by greed and selfishness which was why he lost the wealth he acquired. I am sure that if he still owns the 400,000 bitcoin he lost, he wouldn't have made these comments. He is broke and looking for where to earn some money. Only time will justify if his position is true or false. What's wrong with Mr. Roger ver? Did Vuterin Start Paying him to vouch for ETH? What is your thought?
What's wrong with Mr. Roger ver? Did Vuterin Start Paying him to vouch for ETH? What is your thought?
Ver is cearly a businessman and a business doesn't care about bitcoin. There is nothing wrong with him. Bitcoin is established so he doesn't need to vouch for bitcoin. He is a investor and it is common that a investor and businessman of his caliber will only talk about where he gets benifited from. Roger ver is now invested hi money into ETH and that is why he is vouching for Vuterin or ETH.
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