Dissipate 3.3KW in a single tube is insane.
This miner will be loud beyond reason.
Topic: Whatsminer M20 is announced and available for pre-order - page 12. (Read 4298 times)
Curious if the same promo code works on these as well? Maybe save us $50 a miner or something. If we have to pay the tariff on these, all depending when ship date is.. anything helps
Well if that's the case than pangolin is sacrificing their reputation. It's where we source, no matter who we email or wechat with on mircobt's end. So far.
So, the M20 miner that is listed on the pango website is a pre-order, but the MicroBT factory has not even set a price yet, nor have they officially announced the product. I highly doubt the miner will be available for mass production until end of May or beginning of June. People will receive "demo" or "review" miners, sure, but any company right now pre-selling the M20 is doing so outside of MicroBT's knowledge or approval.
The expiry for current talks with China will end this month I believe. So it will either have resolution, current 10% tariff rates don't increase to 25%, or 25% added tariff on all Chinese imports.
Regardless this batch is priced well. The only issue buyers might face would be MicroBT wanting pull move like they did with the D1 late last year. I wouldn't gamble on COGs and prep for the worst. We're hoping for a good bulk pricing then if tariffs drop that only enhances our buyers positions and savings. Still the skeptic in me doesn't think much will come out of current political powers.
Regardless this batch is priced well. The only issue buyers might face would be MicroBT wanting pull move like they did with the D1 late last year. I wouldn't gamble on COGs and prep for the worst. We're hoping for a good bulk pricing then if tariffs drop that only enhances our buyers positions and savings. Still the skeptic in me doesn't think much will come out of current political powers.
The tax is based on the import date, not the purchase date. So perhaps this could be a gamble that the trade issues will be resolved by then. 
I have heard some rumors it may end April 1 who knows.
I'll have more details posted online soon.
But I'm sure someone will delete my posts.
But I'm sure someone will delete my posts.
Note these will be subject to the trump tax if USA based.
The tax is based on the import date, not the purchase date. So perhaps this could be a gamble that the trade issues will be resolved by then.
Yea, then hoping for efficiency modes then the 58T is probably the stronger buy, though both look good.
on paper the m20 at 48th looks very good for those with higher power cost.
the m20 58th is a question mark? as to whom it fits.
I guess the bull miner. If it costs 50 usd more and coins go up in price it is a lot of hash for 50 usd.
the m20 58th is a question mark? as to whom it fits.
I guess the bull miner. If it costs 50 usd more and coins go up in price it is a lot of hash for 50 usd.
Exciting but interesting. I think I'm in fanactic's camp with the model numbering and spec seems like a m10s. Odd to have a 10th difference for 50USD. Maybe they don't want to pay my consulting fee for marketing, then they can get here free along with some import/export advice. Then I still hope the 48th unit has a efficiency mode nice though to have some product coming and put pressure on for competition. I'll probably always favor the bold.
Edit: looking at pricing it'll still be far under Innosilicon T3 with duties/tariffs.
Edit: looking at pricing it'll still be far under Innosilicon T3 with duties/tariffs.
yeah they are rocking the 12nm at 48th and 2300 watts which will be full speed
if they can do efficiency setting on the m20 like the m10
21th 1265 watts
31th 2300 watts
21/31 = .677 x 48th = 32.5th
32.5th at 1265 watts = 39 watts a th on efficient speed
48th at 2300 watts = 48 watts a th
on the 12nm
what this means is very good for the 48th model
who know what the 58th model will do on lower setting
and still the 7nm in 6-8 months
I am liking these builders.
if they can do efficiency setting on the m20 like the m10
21th 1265 watts
31th 2300 watts
21/31 = .677 x 48th = 32.5th
32.5th at 1265 watts = 39 watts a th on efficient speed
48th at 2300 watts = 48 watts a th
on the 12nm
what this means is very good for the 48th model
who know what the 58th model will do on lower setting
and still the 7nm in 6-8 months
I am liking these builders.
It's funny that comment about a jump to 7nm has me wondering what they can do next considering how they're killing it with these older chips. I wonder if they skip 10 and go right to 7nm.
I would not call them 'older chips', it is just that the 16/14nm node process is fully mature and well characterized which means fully developed design rules leading to more predictable specs and much better & repeatable yields. The 12/10nm node has been in use long enough with enough chip production under its belt to be called a nearly-mature process. On top of that, the work being done on the 7nm node also pays huge dividends to advance the higher node production methods.
The 7nm node is still very much a work-in-progress for all Foundries. Even Intel has (again) pushed back on marketing the 7nm node.
Nice well I look forward to seeing reviews and videos of the gear. I only mentioned that it was only on the Pangolin site, so people knew where to look, I'll have to link it later not sure why I didn't. I definitely believe in the gear and will probably break my rule of ordering first batch gear.
The other bonus that I forgot to mention is there PSU is still rated up to 264 V. I probably would have been crushed if they had gone to 240 V max.
It's funny that comment about a jump to 7nm has me wondering what they can do next considering how they're killing it with these older chips. I wonder if they skip 10 and go right to 7nm.
I agree I kept thinking I was reading it wrong or that maybe it was a typo in the fresh numbers they posted.
The other bonus that I forgot to mention is there PSU is still rated up to 264 V. I probably would have been crushed if they had gone to 240 V max.
It's funny that comment about a jump to 7nm has me wondering what they can do next considering how they're killing it with these older chips. I wonder if they skip 10 and go right to 7nm.
Personally I think they shouldnt even sell the higher speed version with the last 10TH costing 1000w.
I agree I kept thinking I was reading it wrong or that maybe it was a typo in the fresh numbers they posted.
I asked for both models to compare.
I think we will be going with 10-30 m20 48th short term
and maybe 50-100 m20's long term.
I think we will be going with 10-30 m20 48th short term
and maybe 50-100 m20's long term.
That's why I mentioned the S model, which doesnt have a low power mode to compare.
Personally I think they shouldnt even sell the higher speed version with the last 10TH costing 1000w.
Personally I think they shouldnt even sell the higher speed version with the last 10TH costing 1000w.
To me @ the 58THs mark it rather depends on how many chips are used in it vs the M10S.
Compared to the M10-31 or 33 the M20-48 is a substantial improvement in speed/power.
Compared to the M10-31 or 33 the M20-48 is a substantial improvement in speed/power.
I am a bit surprised at how much of an incremental upgrade this is.
M10S = 55TH @ 3400w
M20 = 58TH @ 3300w
Considering its a new chip the upgrade seems rather marginal
M10S = 55TH @ 3400w
M20 = 58TH @ 3300w
Considering its a new chip the upgrade seems rather marginal
the m10 to m20 is huge
m10 31th 2300watts
m20 48th 2300watts
but the
m10s 55th 3400watts
m20? 58th 3300watts
is not much
I am a bit surprised at how much of an incremental upgrade this is.
M10S = 55TH @ 3400w
M20 = 58TH @ 3300w
Considering its a new chip the upgrade seems rather marginal
M10S = 55TH @ 3400w
M20 = 58TH @ 3300w
Considering its a new chip the upgrade seems rather marginal
This is cool news.
As I mentioned in the M10 thread,
I might be able to get a demo and write a review for the M20.
I will keep you guys posted!
As I mentioned in the M10 thread,
I might be able to get a demo and write a review for the M20.
I will keep you guys posted!
Jump to: