Topic: When A Super Rich Person Buys A Yacht Do More Africans Suffer? - page 2. (Read 1772 times)
February 08, 2016, 03:45:14 AM
If we don't buy products that will not help those who develops and improve the products they are selling which also leads to lay offs. So nothing to worry if you buy a product regardless of where they are from because you are helping those who makes a living by developing products and the labor industry.
February 08, 2016, 02:30:13 AM
of course it does. where do you think are the ressources coming from...
not always, maybe it come from other rich people that are less rich than the richer, a very poor guy after all don't have the money anymore to "pay anyone indirectly" minus himself
we are at the point for some people, where the money they have are all used to no die..
February 08, 2016, 12:00:15 AM
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WhatTheGox
Bigger problems? I can only offer opinions:
1) Creeping government (authoritarian) takeover of our liberties and money. .govs are broke and hungry. Worst risk IMO.
2) Risk of stupidly getting into more wars. It has taken me a long time to turn libertarian (from conservative).
3) Moral bankruptcy / societal disintegration. Wealth concentration and declining standards of behavior ignite equivalent of civil war.
4) "Black Swans" -- low-probability, unpredictable but heavy impact events like an EMP, mass terrorism, sudden economic collapse.
WhatTheGox
Bigger problems? I can only offer opinions:
1) Creeping government (authoritarian) takeover of our liberties and money. .govs are broke and hungry. Worst risk IMO.
2) Risk of stupidly getting into more wars. It has taken me a long time to turn libertarian (from conservative).
3) Moral bankruptcy / societal disintegration. Wealth concentration and declining standards of behavior ignite equivalent of civil war.
4) "Black Swans" -- low-probability, unpredictable but heavy impact events like an EMP, mass terrorism, sudden economic collapse.
February 07, 2016, 07:04:22 AM
You are personally responsible for your own deeds. You buy your luxury things, it is your effort and does not affect anybody who is not directly linked to you.
The important part of this thread is the "not direct" part. You'll always take care of those directly linked to you. But Op tries to suggest that you maybe are also responsible for the not direct consequences.
February 07, 2016, 06:33:33 AM
Economy is a zero-sum game. So it definitely shows why Africans are poor.
February 07, 2016, 06:32:48 AM
OP writes:
"How do we know what products are moral to buy?"
That is a problem. But, as it so complex, don't spend your time worrying about every Made in China T-Shirt, electronic widget, etc. There are bigger problems to worry about.
Im not saying there are not bigger problems to worry about but what do you think they are?
So to whom is directed the OP?
Well its directed at everyone i guess but do you think the richer you are the more moral responsibility you have when buying things? or everyone is equal?
February 07, 2016, 06:27:31 AM
of course it does. where do you think are the ressources coming from...
February 07, 2016, 06:13:17 AM
there is always a link between human so when a rish man buy someting that he don't need it will affect someone else if he donate the money he spend it will be a help for the humankind 
February 07, 2016, 06:00:39 AM
You are personally responsible for your own deeds. You buy your luxury things, it is your effort and does not affect anybody who is not directly linked to you.
February 07, 2016, 05:57:53 AM
...does that imprison other people or does it depend on the product? How do we know what products are moral to buy?
Imprison them in what way? Are you implying that employees producing a certain product are prisoners because they voluntarily contracted with an employer to exchange their labor for wages?
In the way of buying things shapes the world more than voting does. If people buy meat the producers will provide more meat, if you buy vegetarian food more of it gets produced - for example, im not saying either is more moral than the other atm.
Well, you have to work right? how many people would like to live almost or totally self sufficient i wonder? but cant because all the reasonable land has been taken.
February 07, 2016, 02:41:42 AM
The only way Africans suffer from a super rich guy buying a yacht, is if the money used for buying that yacht in particular was somehow stolen from those African people that you mentioned, other than that there's no negative impact at all plus if a rich guy buys something, more works would be created to further make those things again and if someone doesn't buy, the opposite happens since that's it's cycle.
February 07, 2016, 01:17:11 AM
stop buying chocolate.
most of it comes from african child slave labors.
high tech stuff mostly incorporates exploitation of valuable ressources which usually are located in 3rd world countries.
companies working there give a shit about people and enviroment - all in the name of the holy profit.
hail capitalism.
most of it comes from african child slave labors.
high tech stuff mostly incorporates exploitation of valuable ressources which usually are located in 3rd world countries.
companies working there give a shit about people and enviroment - all in the name of the holy profit.
hail capitalism.
Then perhaps you should get off of your computer, and especially your cellphone.
Tantalum, most of which comes from Zaire (Democratic Republic of the Congo, whichever name is more current), is used in capacitors. No tantalum, no hi-tech.
World commerce IS sometimes very dirty. Prove any allegations, and try to make things better (as Apple is trying to re Tantalum).
Or stand by your convictions to not participate... <=== You will find that very hard.
im not eating chocolate, please let me the other stuff^^
February 06, 2016, 11:59:34 PM
stop buying chocolate.
most of it comes from african child slave labors.
high tech stuff mostly incorporates exploitation of valuable ressources which usually are located in 3rd world countries.
companies working there give a shit about people and enviroment - all in the name of the holy profit.
hail capitalism.
most of it comes from african child slave labors.
high tech stuff mostly incorporates exploitation of valuable ressources which usually are located in 3rd world countries.
companies working there give a shit about people and enviroment - all in the name of the holy profit.
hail capitalism.
Then perhaps you should get off of your computer, and especially your cellphone.
Tantalum, most of which comes from Zaire (Democratic Republic of the Congo, whichever name is more current), is used in capacitors. No tantalum, no hi-tech.
World commerce IS sometimes very dirty. Prove any allegations, and try to make things better (as Apple is trying to re Tantalum).
Or stand by your convictions to not participate... <=== You will find that very hard.
February 06, 2016, 09:47:36 PM
stop buying chocolate.
most of it comes from african child slave labors.
high tech stuff mostly incorporates exploitation of valuable ressources which usually are located in 3rd world countries.
companies working there give a shit about people and enviroment - all in the name of the holy profit.
hail capitalism.
most of it comes from african child slave labors.
high tech stuff mostly incorporates exploitation of valuable ressources which usually are located in 3rd world countries.
companies working there give a shit about people and enviroment - all in the name of the holy profit.
hail capitalism.
February 06, 2016, 07:45:41 PM
Basically.....Do You Have A Moral Responsibility When Buying Things?
On a smaller scale if you buy a certain product more of that product will get produced as a result, does that imprison other people or does it depend on the product? How do we know what products are moral to buy?
On a smaller scale if you buy a certain product more of that product will get produced as a result, does that imprison other people or does it depend on the product? How do we know what products are moral to buy?
In general, people ought to buy things that ADD VALUE to their lives, as long as they do not impinge on others. If the guy BOUGHT the yacht, there were workers who were PAID to build it.
Products made by slave labor? I wouldn't buy.
Buy cigarettes or tobacco company stock? Ah, no., profits off the addicted...
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OP writes:
"How do we know what products are moral to buy?"
That is a problem. But, as it so complex, don't spend your time worrying about every Made in China T-Shirt, electronic widget, etc. There are bigger problems to worry about.
February 06, 2016, 03:13:11 PM
Basically.....Do You Have A Moral Responsibility When Buying Things?
On a smaller scale if you buy a certain product more of that product will get produced as a result, does that imprison other people or does it depend on the product? How do we know what products are moral to buy?
On a smaller scale if you buy a certain product more of that product will get produced as a result, does that imprison other people or does it depend on the product? How do we know what products are moral to buy?
The aim that OP have in creating this thread is to be applauded. Especially in today's world when the moral can be bought from almost everyone. It is only matter of price and not of yes or not. The minority who resist to such temptations is made every day fewer and fewer.
Anyhow I think that the put of everyone in a sack is not the right way to propose such problem. Have I moral when buy something? For me personally this question have no meaning. What does it mean for me to have moral when buy something. I buy everything I can with the money earned with my work. What have to do my bought with my moral? I have not stolen to anyone my money. In this case maybe may have meaning the question. But must be created only for them who steal not for everyone. Or lets take Bill Gates. He have make all his money with his work. Have not stolen a dime to no one. He can have everything is offered in this world. Have meaning to speak about moral in this case. He spent the money have from his work. Honestly earned. I think not.
So to whom is directed the OP?
February 06, 2016, 02:29:04 PM
Truth to be told, most people here shouldn't care. To be able to afford a computer and and internet connection in the first place means that we're at a better position than people in Africa in countries with close to zero infrastructures and no economy. And I don't think that the other side cares either. If you were growing up in an environment like that, would you care more about everyday survival or class initiating warfare?
Well you could (should? I don't know... Maybe...) care because we're exploiting them and their resources as hell.
So we are responsible whatever liberalists say.
But is it bad? Probably. Should we change things? Certainly. Will we? Well you already know the answer...
February 06, 2016, 01:31:44 PM
Truth to be told, most people here shouldn't care. To be able to afford a computer and and internet connection in the first place means that we're at a better position than people in Africa in countries with close to zero infrastructures and no economy. And I don't think that the other side cares either. If you were growing up in an environment like that, would you care more about everyday survival or class initiating warfare?
February 06, 2016, 01:27:01 PM
I don't see any connection between these two things. African suffer or many people in underdeveloped country are made to suffer because some of the so called richest and powerful country like to grab all of the valuable resource of those countries.
Well you know what happen to old yacht?
They go wreck on African ground. Africa is cleary the world trashcan. We put everything here, every old electronic device you throw is probably finishing in Africa.
February 06, 2016, 12:41:33 PM
I don't see any connection between these two things. African suffer or many people in underdeveloped country are made to suffer because some of the so called richest and powerful country like to grab all of the valuable resource of those countries.
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