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legendary
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February 27, 2015, 05:34:34 PM
#33
As for speaking about USA as an aggressor. It is well-founded, though Russia was very moderate at expression its displeasure. Until very recently Putin was still referring to USA and NATO as "partners"...

Also, turnabout is a fair play, so let's look at the following simple thought experiment: Imagine that Russia facilitates a violent coup d'etat in Mexico, then basically appoints a new government there and instigates a military operation on the Mexican/US border. Then Russia talks about supplying the Mexicans with weapons, while de facto doing it, and hampers any attempt at peace. In addition is spreads slander about Omaba in particular and USA in general and hits Microsoft, as well as some prominent political and cultural figures, like Madonna, with sanctions. Question: How would USA behave in such a scenario?

You don't even have to raise a hypothetical. Look at how the US reacted to the Cuban Missile Crisis (I know the Russian refer to it differently). Or how the US responded to the Zimmerman Telegram with Germany in WWI. That will tell you how the US responds to threats to it. As an American, I agree, the US historically is an aggressor. But that doesn't render your depiction of the events accurate in Ukraine.

Each side arguing for their subjective version of the truth of what is going on in Ukraine just seems so pointlessly futile. Neither side is going to convince the other that they're not buying into propaganda, so what's the point in citing news sources that the other side will just dismiss outright as lies? As much as you know that the US is orchestrating this whole thing, the West knows with the same confidence that Russia is instigating the rebellion. As much as the West knows that Russian media is full of garbage, I'm sure you know with the same level of confidence the western media reports are wrong. Each side believes their knowledge is unassailable. You can't counter that level of dogma.
legendary
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February 27, 2015, 02:34:30 PM
#32

So much fail in one statement. First, you'll discover that there are quite a lot of people here interested in a multi-polar view on events. Second, you are obviously NOT watching Russian TV. If you did, you'd know that USA gets a rather small share of air time, on par with Finland or Italy.

I watch Russian TV ( 1Channel, not RussianTV on USA network) and you are lying. USA is constantly in the news and is shown as aggressor and the cause of everything that is wrong in the world and Russia.

And it's not just TV, visit any Russian new site and see for yourself.
Here is current http://www.gazeta.ru/ 10 "news of the day":

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03:46 B Дaнии apecтoвaли дecять пoдoзpeвaeмыx в тopгoвлe людьми


3 oil related, 2 Ukraine related, one Denmark, one Russia and THREE that has to do with USA, out of which TWO has nothing to do with internal affairs ( a school/weapon and train crush in California)...


Actually, you are supporting my claim. Wink Two of those article about USA is just normal reporting. That kind of news would be retorted the same way if the shooting happened in Finland or the train crash happened in India. As for Psaki - she's viewed in Russia more of a comic relief, like Zhirinovskij domestically.
I took a look at gaseta.ru - they seem to favour international news. Other sources which I prefer: aif.ru (a somewhat liberal newspaper), itar-tass.com, ria.ru are more balanced, as well as they give you the option of looking at sub-topics.

As for speaking about USA as an aggressor. It is well-founded, though Russia was very moderate at expression its displeasure. Until very recently Putin was still referring to USA and NATO as "partners"...

Also, turnabout is a fair play, so let's look at the following simple thought experiment: Imagine that Russia facilitates a violent coup d'etat in Mexico, then basically appoints a new government there and instigates a military operation on the Mexican/US border. Then Russia talks about supplying the Mexicans with weapons, while de facto doing it, and hampers any attempt at peace. In addition is spreads slander about Omaba in particular and USA in general and hits Microsoft, as well as some prominent political and cultural figures, like Madonna, with sanctions. Question: How would USA behave in such a scenario?
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February 27, 2015, 10:52:36 AM
#31
I've been told by many legitimate sources that west (Especially USA) is planning to attack russia  Huh When it's going to happen and how?? Smiley I want to know usa doctrine
USA has many bases around the globe and is planning to take over everything!
Now your "many legitimate sources" are going to cut you off, since you just relayed their inside information on Bitcointalk-- THE go to site for up-to-date, accurate, breaking news...
legendary
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February 27, 2015, 10:12:07 AM
#30
I've been told by many legitimate sources that west (Especially USA) is planning to attack russia  Huh When it's going to happen and how?? Smiley I want to know usa doctrine
USA has many bases around the globe and is planning to take over everything!

Quoted for the history books. In some future era, this will be used as an example of "Stupidest Things said in 2015."

That said, I wish we could give Putin a taste of his own medicine and maybe start a revolution in Russia. We could say "It's just the American separatists. We aren't involved. What a ridiculous charge."

Last I checked it was USA that started the "revolution", or more correctly a coup d'etat, in Ukraine. Btw, USA/Great Britain already tried with a revolution in Russia - once successfully in 1917, and the other time less so - Bolotnaja revolt in Moscow. And they are trying now with the economic warfare, which aim is to create a social unrest in Russia.

Did you mean to write: But Putin should probably give Obama a taste of his own medicine and maybe start a revolution in USA. Russians could say "It's just the Texan separatists. We aren't involved. What a ridiculous charge."  Tongue

What I am referring to is Putin's provisions of troops and heavy weapons to the separatists. I'm not sure what you are referring to as far as the US starting the current revolution goes...
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February 27, 2015, 10:03:34 AM
#29
I've been told by many legitimate sources that west (Especially USA) is planning to attack russia  Huh When it's going to happen and how?? Smiley I want to know usa doctrine
USA has many bases around the globe and is planning to take over everything!

Are your legitimate sources youtube? In a way you are right they have already started to attack russia with sanctions on the country but i do not believe they will attack russia by force unless forced to. USA does have HQ's all over the world and it does look like they are attempting to takeover most of the world but what happens when they get to China/Russia etc there will be big problems for the world if they try this as these countrys will not bow down to them and they are not weak like many others they have taken control of. Lets hope eveyone can just be friends  Smiley
Having a forward base in another country doesn't mean you want to take over. How would you plan to take a country that has for instance 500k troops, by having an airfield there, managed by 200 people? Cheesy

Oh right i see what you mean silly me thinking they would take a country with as you say 200 people, i guess they only have 200 people in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, South Korea , Kuwait, Bahrain, Japan, Germany, Italy, UK with many many other deployments around the globe that are bases all with thousands of troops stationed and that is just so 'if' the time comes they already have the foothold to deploy thousands more. It is a game of chess and the pieces are in place and have been for years.   
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February 27, 2015, 08:37:35 AM
#28
I've been told by many legitimate sources that west (Especially USA) is planning to attack russia  Huh When it's going to happen and how?? Smiley I want to know usa doctrine
USA has many bases around the globe and is planning to take over everything!

Are your legitimate sources youtube? In a way you are right they have already started to attack russia with sanctions on the country but i do not believe they will attack russia by force unless forced to. USA does have HQ's all over the world and it does look like they are attempting to takeover most of the world but what happens when they get to China/Russia etc there will be big problems for the world if they try this as these countrys will not bow down to them and they are not weak like many others they have taken control of. Lets hope eveyone can just be friends  Smiley
legendary
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February 27, 2015, 08:04:28 AM
#27
A US attack on Russia would be a quickie one really. We'd be all home by Easter Smiley.

No you wouldn't. Not if nuclear weapons are involved. Not much of a home to return to.

Back then the worst you could do was to take warship and shell the coast line of a country or send a cloud of mustard gas towards their troops. There were no nuclear weapons spy satellites and military drones.
Both Russians and Americans should realize the real threat is in the Middle East and these people are not playing by the rules. If they had nuclear weapons they would be already launching them in our direction.

The middle east has been under control of the west for over 100 years. If extremists get nuclear weapons they would use them. But until then they are doing what they were created to do.

I've tried to be sarcastic Smiley. What I wanted to point out: in such a scenario we wouldn't have the time to deploy to the frontlines but we'd be nuked while still at home.
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February 27, 2015, 03:04:38 AM
#26

Its funny how you say that there is no way there is going to be a major war. Last time i checked WW1 for example nobody thought that it was going to be a major war. Home by Christmas they were saying. Noone even attacked a major power Wink


A US attack on Russia would be a quickie one really. We'd be all home by Easter Smiley.

No you wouldn't. Not if nuclear weapons are involved. Not much of a home to return to.

Its funny how you say that there is no way there is going to be a major war. Last time i checked WW1 for example nobody thought that it was going to be a major war. Home by Christmas they were saying. Noone even attacked a major power Wink

Back then the worst you could do was to take warship and shell the coast line of a country or send a cloud of mustard gas towards their troops. There were no nuclear weapons spy satellites and military drones.
Both Russians and Americans should realize the real threat is in the Middle East and these people are not playing by the rules. If they had nuclear weapons they would be already launching them in our direction.

The middle east has been under control of the west for over 100 years. If extremists get nuclear weapons they would use them. But until then they are doing what they were created to do.
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February 26, 2015, 03:13:39 PM
#25
How USA is going to destabilize russia?
legendary
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February 26, 2015, 04:39:53 AM
#24

Its funny how you say that there is no way there is going to be a major war. Last time i checked WW1 for example nobody thought that it was going to be a major war. Home by Christmas they were saying. Noone even attacked a major power Wink


A US attack on Russia would be a quickie one really. We'd be all home by Easter Smiley.
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February 26, 2015, 02:30:07 AM
#23
I've been told by many legitimate sources that west (Especially USA) is planning to attack russia  Huh When it's going to happen and how?? Smiley I want to know usa doctrine
USA has many bases around the globe and is planning to take over everything!
Why US gonna to attack russia?
US can't get nothing.
The two biggest nuclear weapon country's war is nothing good for any one.
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February 25, 2015, 11:33:38 PM
#22
Russia is a threat and must be eliminated!



Its funny how you say that there is no way there is going to be a major war. Last time i checked WW1 for example nobody thought that it was going to be a major war. Home by Christmas they were saying. Noone even attacked a major power Wink
It is also admirable how you bet that obvious warmongling, corrupt and totally incomeptent politicians will never do such a thing. After all, did they ever did so in history?

Amassing armies in borders and making trade difficult always help bring down the tensions. Am i right?

Oh, and there is never a small or justified war.  Ask the dead or their relatives. Maybe ask the survivors too. I will give you a hint, its not like in the movies. But what do you expect from a international culture of glorifying wars.


 
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February 25, 2015, 11:09:27 PM
#21
The USA hasn't declared war in decades. (Since Vietnam I believe.) Yet, they are at war with everyone (including their own citizens) covertly. While the USA is constantly planning covert missions against Russia, I won't be surprised when Putin has had enough of it and (with China backing him) he overtly declares war on the true global terrorists and invades the USA.  Roll Eyes
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February 25, 2015, 10:55:09 PM
#20

So much fail in one statement. First, you'll discover that there are quite a lot of people here interested in a multi-polar view on events. Second, you are obviously NOT watching Russian TV. If you did, you'd know that USA gets a rather small share of air time, on par with Finland or Italy.

I watch Russian TV ( 1Channel, not RussianTV on USA network) and you are lying. USA is constantly in the news and is shown as aggressor and the cause of everything that is wrong in the world and Russia.

And it's not just TV, visit any Russian new site and see for yourself.
Here is current http://www.gazeta.ru/ 10 "news of the day":

05:40 Цена фьючерсов на нефть в Лондоне уменьшилась до $61,55
05:32 Камеры зафиксировали крушение поезда в Калифорнии
05:20 Совбез ООН может провести встречу по Украине 27 февраля
05:08 Цена фьючерсов на нефть в Нью-Йорке опустилась до $50,72
05:00 В США задержали проникшую в школу с оружием женщину
04:42 «Аль-Каида» планировала теракты в России
04:28 Псаки обеспокоена решением суда не освобождать Савченко
04:12 «Нафтогаз» возьмет в кредит у Китая $3,6 млрд
04:00 Глава МИД Сербии: предварительные договоренности о продлении миссии ОБСЕ в Донбассе достигнуты
03:46 В Дании арестовали десять подозреваемых в торговле людьми


3 oil related, 2 Ukraine related, one Denmark, one Russia and THREE that has to do with USA, out of which TWO has nothing to do with internal affairs ( a school/weapon and train crush in California)...




legendary
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February 25, 2015, 10:13:36 PM
#19
I think it started several years ago in ways Russians don't like to admit and are actually staunchly against.  The hard party line is anti-Western.  They want everything "Russian" even though they love our rock music and painted on jeans. 
legendary
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February 25, 2015, 07:08:26 PM
#18
I've been told by many legitimate sources that west (Especially USA) is planning to attack russia  Huh When it's going to happen and how?? Smiley I want to know usa doctrine
USA has many bases around the globe and is planning to take over everything!

Quoted for the history books. In some future era, this will be used as an example of "Stupidest Things said in 2015."

That said, I wish we could give Putin a taste of his own medicine and maybe start a revolution in Russia. We could say "It's just the American separatists. We aren't involved. What a ridiculous charge."

Last I checked it was USA that started the "revolution", or more correctly a coup d'etat, in Ukraine. Btw, USA/Great Britain already tried with a revolution in Russia - once successfully in 1917, and the other time less so - Bolotnaja revolt in Moscow. And they are trying now with the economic warfare, which aim is to create a social unrest in Russia.

Did you mean to write: But Putin should probably give Obama a taste of his own medicine and maybe start a revolution in USA. Russians could say "It's just the Texan separatists. We aren't involved. What a ridiculous charge."  Tongue
legendary
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February 25, 2015, 06:41:09 PM
#17
I've been told by many legitimate sources that west (Especially USA) is planning to attack russia  Huh When it's going to happen and how?? Smiley I want to know usa doctrine
USA has many bases around the globe and is planning to take over everything!

Quoted for the history books. In some future era, this will be used as an example of "Stupidest Things said in 2015."

That said, I wish we could give Putin a taste of his own medicine and maybe start a revolution in Russia. We could say "It's just the American separatists. We aren't involved. What a ridiculous charge."
legendary
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February 25, 2015, 06:29:44 PM
#16
You must be watching Russian TV. lol  Nobody here gives a crap about Russia. Despite the way it is being covered in Moscow it's a non-story here.

So much fail in one statement. First, you'll discover that there are quite a lot of people here interested in a multi-polar view on events. Second, you are obviously NOT watching Russian TV. If you did, you'd know that USA gets a rather small share of air time, on par with Finland or Italy. It is rather arrogant and self-centered of you to think that they in Russia have nothing better to talk about than USA. The fact that Russian TV does pay some attention to Novorossia is easy to explain - it's a hotspot right on the Russian border, populated by Russians and having belonged to Russia for many centuries. It would have been strange if Russia didn't cover the events there.

Now, to the OP question. The chance that USA would attack Russia militarily is minuscule. USA is much more comfortable waging a proxy war in Ukraine. The only problem for it is that Russia refused to come to that war, so USA are left with fighting against civilians there, and losing to them. Well, an expected outcome of Vietnam 2.0

On the other hand USA has long ago started another war against Russia - an rather vicious economic one, with all the sanctions, ratings and oil prices.
legendary
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February 25, 2015, 06:21:26 PM
#15
I've been told by many legitimate sources that west (Especially USA) is planning to attack russia  Huh When it's going to happen and how?? Smiley I want to know usa doctrine
USA has many bases around the globe and is planning to take over everything!

Let's ask Germany how well the last Russian invasion went...
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February 25, 2015, 06:03:26 PM
#14
Why would anybody want to invade Russia?
-big army, that would take a lot of time and resources to defeat
-a lot of terrain, low temperatures and harsh conditions, a perfect place for guerilla forces to hide and fight.
-a lot of nuclear weapons and I bet if Russians started losing the conventional war they wouldn't hesitate to use their whole arsenal even on their own soil.
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