Where are all the Bitcoin naysayers?

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Quote from: EluguHcman on October 03, 2023, 09:08:19 AM

Never heard of this neither have I come across one. So was it as a goal of marketing domination tussles against Bitcoin and AltCoins? Or could they just be an AI spammed accounts maybe to get the doubt rates of investors on BTC?
I am just curious because I don't find other necessity reason for that .

I doubt it they were AI accounts as most of them showed up way earlier than AI became popular or even existed at all. And no, these guys were not a part of Bitcoin vs shitcoins discussions as they were normally against all types of crypto, including both Bitcoin and shitcoins.

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Bitcoin has faced loads of naysayers issues and has always surfaced stronger, the likes of institutions and government agencies has always come after bitcoin and blockchain technology but it has always emerged successful.

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Majority of those guys are here in this thread Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion they are still actively discussing good points about bitcoin.

We can rarely see them posting about something or random insights since maybe they don't like what they are reading on global boards. If you like to check this thread from time to time you can see a lot of interesting post and price insight coming from real traders or people who always follow the price track of bitcoin. on other side I don't see an anti bitcoin guy and maybe they are totally disappear or just realize that bitcoin is a good coin to have.

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Opponents of Bitcoin may still roam the forums, they just monitor it and then leave. They can't show their nose at least when Bitcoin prices are fine because they will be heavily attacked by users who are pro Bitcoin. Forum users will not fall for the talk of Bitcoin opponents, they will look like fools if their mission is not successful. They always wait for the right time to applaud when a collapse occurs in the Bitcoin market. If they think positively about Bitcoin's performance, their efforts are always in vain because Bitcoin can always return to a better price even without their support.

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Never heard of this neither have I come across one. So was it as a goal of marketing domination tussles against Bitcoin and AltCoins? Or could they just be an AI spammed accounts maybe to get the doubt rates of investors on BTC?
I am just curious because I don't find other necessity reason for that .

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Quote from: serveria.com on September 30, 2023, 04:37:00 PM

I remember in good old days there was a bunch of notorious Bitcoin naysayers visiting this forum frequently. In particular, I can mention such accounts as Stolfi, Proudhon the llama and Roach (this nazi guy was hilarious actually). I'm sure many forum regulars remember them. There were many others as well, appearing from time to time, posting anti-bitcoin bs and FUD.

We appreciate the fact that things like this have turned a thing of the past, the way they go being aggressive now has reduced and they are not flooding or spamming with their anti bitcoin agitations, the funny things to write about them is how they can argue their way out on a discussion blindly and the level of words content in their post, they can post more than 2 full pages and never get tired of arguing blindly.

Quote from: serveria.com on September 30, 2023, 04:37:00 PM

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us? Grin

They are tired as well, some of them have been retired of doing such, while some are not paid any longer by their sponsors to receive the fuel needed to drive for more arguments and stir on the forum, they can be always active and restless in making replies, they are smart enough by not breaking the forum's rules in other not to get banned, they are now tired and i believe some of them would have realized bitcoin is not the problem, some of them might have invested as well in same bitcoin they preached against in the past.

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Quote from: serveria.com on September 30, 2023, 04:37:00 PM

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I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us? Grin

I guess they now changed sides knowing how Bitcoin's price moves in the long run.

Like you, I don't see any of them anymore. Maybe it's because they aren't here in the forum anymore, or it's just we don't give any attention to them anymore. Whatever the case is, I guess the phrase "Bitcoin is dead" is rarely being used compare to how often it has been used last 2017 where many articles, many posters here, and many people saying that Bitcoin is dead or the like.

I'm not saying though that they're gone already because I still believe that there will always be people who are anti-Bitcoin (like Peter Schiff), but as Bitcoin goes more, and more popular, more and more anti-Bitcoin will slowly change sides, and will start to support Bitcoin because what they think about it will just lead to nothing.

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Quote from: serveria.com on September 30, 2023, 04:37:00 PM

I remember in good old days there was a bunch of notorious Bitcoin naysayers visiting this forum frequently. In particular, I can mention such accounts as Stolfi, Proudhon the llama and Roach (this nazi guy was hilarious actually). I'm sure many forum regulars remember them. There were many others as well, appearing from time to time, posting anti-bitcoin bs and FUD.

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us? Grin

I imagine there was a very heated discussion back then, that should be fun and interesting actually compared to many spammers all praising Bitcoins with such useless and ridiculous topic. Other than that, I think it's common for any breakthrough and quite radical stuff to have a group of skeptics and even haters especially at the earlier era.

But I guess Bitcoin has proven them wrong and they finally realize that there is no point spreading FUD about Bitcoin anymore, even if they are still here they will be bullied by millions of users in this forum because almost all of the users in here is pro Bitcoin.

I think many of these accounts were trolls and perhaps they even had another pro-Bitcoin accounts on this forum. As to the Bitcoin haters, their narrative has changed from "Bitcoin iz a ponzi" to "dollar is the king". FIAT fans and USD supremacists are the last form of Bitcoin haters on this forum.

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Quote from: serveria.com on September 30, 2023, 04:37:00 PM

I remember in good old days there was a bunch of notorious Bitcoin naysayers visiting this forum frequently. In particular, I can mention such accounts as Stolfi, Proudhon the llama and Roach (this nazi guy was hilarious actually). I'm sure many forum regulars remember them. There were many others as well, appearing from time to time, posting anti-bitcoin bs and FUD.

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us? Grin

Welp. They died down through time.

They had good reasons to be angry about bitcoin too, I can remember the utter shitshow that was bitcointalk 2016-2018. Everyone for themselves equally hating on bitcoin and fanaticizing it at the same time. Every post talking about if whether bitcoin was a ponzi scheme or not. It was a chaos fest and yet as time passed by the simmered down. Either they started believing in bitcoin, as most of the people in here, or they just gave up and diverted their energy to something else more worthwhile.

Should they come back, and they will, we have even more constructive forum members here who would be able to lecture them a good thing or two about bitcoin no doubt. After all this time we didn't just gather more supporters, we literally became smarter too.

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Quote from: icalical on October 01, 2023, 05:35:02 PM

Quote from: serveria.com on September 30, 2023, 04:37:00 PM

I remember in good old days there was a bunch of notorious Bitcoin naysayers visiting this forum frequently. In particular, I can mention such accounts as Stolfi, Proudhon the llama and Roach (this nazi guy was hilarious actually). I'm sure many forum regulars remember them. There were many others as well, appearing from time to time, posting anti-bitcoin bs and FUD.

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us? Grin

I imagine there was a very heated discussion back then, that should be fun and interesting actually compared to many spammers all praising Bitcoins with such useless and ridiculous topic. Other than that, I think it's common for any breakthrough and quite radical stuff to have a group of skeptics and even haters especially at the earlier era.

It was quite fun to read topics in those days. The heated arguments of pros and cons about Bitcoin and giving their own insights which boosted one's understanding about the topic being discusses. At least it was way better than the current trends of creating fake stories about how they engaged in Bitcoin activity.

Quote from: icalical on October 01, 2023, 05:35:02 PM

But I guess Bitcoin has proven them wrong and they finally realize that there is no point spreading FUD about Bitcoin anymore, even if they are still here they will be bullied by millions of users in this forum because almost all of the users in here is pro Bitcoin.

Well, bitcoin indeed proves them wrong because they might have been actively creating Bitcoin-hate topics if they are right. The current trend and popularity of Bitcoin put a seal on their keyboard and keep them away from typing their proven wrong thoughts. But I think once Bitcoin shows some failure, naysayers will start creating topic again.

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Quote from: serveria.com on September 30, 2023, 04:37:00 PM

I remember in good old days there was a bunch of notorious Bitcoin naysayers visiting this forum frequently. In particular, I can mention such accounts as Stolfi, Proudhon the llama and Roach (this nazi guy was hilarious actually). I'm sure many forum regulars remember them. There were many others as well, appearing from time to time, posting anti-bitcoin bs and FUD.

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us? Grin

I imagine there was a very heated discussion back then, that should be fun and interesting actually compared to many spammers all praising Bitcoins with such useless and ridiculous topic. Other than that, I think it's common for any breakthrough and quite radical stuff to have a group of skeptics and even haters especially at the earlier era.

But I guess Bitcoin has proven them wrong and they finally realize that there is no point spreading FUD about Bitcoin anymore, even if they are still here they will be bullied by millions of users in this forum because almost all of the users in here is pro Bitcoin.

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Quote from: serveria.com on September 30, 2023, 04:37:00 PM

I remember in good old days there was a bunch of notorious Bitcoin naysayers visiting this forum frequently. In particular, I can mention such accounts as Stolfi, Proudhon the llama and Roach (this nazi guy was hilarious actually). I'm sure many forum regulars remember them. There were many others as well, appearing from time to time, posting anti-bitcoin bs and FUD.

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us? Grin

This forum, Facebook, Twitter, no matter the platform, usually these people only show up during bear markets to remember others that bitcoin lost, for example, 50% of its value, of course without mentioning that it's still worth way more than 3-4 years ago otherwise they know hat what they are saying makes no sense. Probably many of them missed out big time and now they see other people making money and they can't accept it, so they hope other people will fail just like them.

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Quote from: serveria.com on September 30, 2023, 04:37:00 PM

I remember in good old days there was a bunch of notorious Bitcoin naysayers visiting this forum frequently. In particular, I can mention such accounts as Stolfi, Proudhon the llama and Roach (this nazi guy was hilarious actually). I'm sure many forum regulars remember them. There were many others as well, appearing from time to time, posting anti-bitcoin bs and FUD.

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us? Grin

They’re still here but maybe as silent readers or observers. But I think they would come out and making noise if BTC crashes very hard like what we have experienced after reaching almost $70k, Terra Luna and FTX issue, etc.

You can’t expect everyone to appreciate Bitcoin. Like my uncle from my father’s side, he still do not want to get involved into Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies as he doesn’t believe in that. However, the good thing is that he didn’t criticize me for going into this route as he just mind his own business.

His daughter however is interested to get into Bitcoin, but her dad told her not to because of “high risk”. He was having a traditional mindset due to his position in the government. I didn’t shill them about Bitcoin lol, it’s just that they only see my activities in Facebook, etc.

I am certain that Proudhon is reading as I type. On topic no one mentions mindrust. He is kind of negative but he is active . He posted today :

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mindrust-176777

Yeah, mindrust was epic. But I have to admit the guy was never anti-Bitcoin, he just panic sold all his stash at the bottom. Poor soul. I've read a couple of his posts recently and well, he sounds reasonable, totally makes sense. And he certainly isn't one of the assholes I mentioned above. Cool

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Quote from: serveria.com on October 01, 2023, 06:08:27 AM

Oh yeah I remember them all (except for the RawDog guy). jonoiv was a real douchebag he appeared during dumps and mocked hodlers. Every single time. I can see his last activity on this forum was back in 2021. I guess he just accepted that Bitcoin is great and it's not going anywhere or just got tired of his own bs and people ignoring this delusional prick. Grin

RawDog used to rant on youtube a lot.
Couldn't find any of his videos now.

I saw him mentioned in another video here and comments say he deleted his channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiPqpE775J4
IMO he had some mental issues.

If you're looking for people with similar mindset, here's one:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/exphorizon-2860144

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Quote from: serveria.com on September 30, 2023, 04:37:00 PM

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us? Grin

A group of anti-bitcoins must exist but they don't want to talk much here because it's clear they will be scorned because here is the majority of bitcoin users, even if they have an anti-bitcoin discussion then their arguments will not be strong maybe they will just shut up and see how we prove ourselves with bitcoin.

Or who used to be anti bitcoin has now become a holder because of halving preparations? Hahaha
I don't see that person coming to the forum again with anti bitcoin and spreading FUD, maybe they already know that bitcoin has grown rapidly until now even though there has been a decline since the ATH in 2021.
Maybe they are not doing in this forum but other forum.

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Quote from: cheezcarls on October 01, 2023, 08:35:20 AM

Quote from: serveria.com on September 30, 2023, 04:37:00 PM

I remember in good old days there was a bunch of notorious Bitcoin naysayers visiting this forum frequently. In particular, I can mention such accounts as Stolfi, Proudhon the llama and Roach (this nazi guy was hilarious actually). I'm sure many forum regulars remember them. There were many others as well, appearing from time to time, posting anti-bitcoin bs and FUD.

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us? Grin

They’re still here but maybe as silent readers or observers. But I think they would come out and making noise if BTC crashes very hard like what we have experienced after reaching almost $70k, Terra Luna and FTX issue, etc.

You can’t expect everyone to appreciate Bitcoin. Like my uncle from my father’s side, he still do not want to get involved into Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies as he doesn’t believe in that. However, the good thing is that he didn’t criticize me for going into this route as he just mind his own business.

His daughter however is interested to get into Bitcoin, but her dad told her not to because of “high risk”. He was having a traditional mindset due to his position in the government. I didn’t shill them about Bitcoin lol, it’s just that they only see my activities in Facebook, etc.

I also think so, those who are against bitcoin are still hanging around here and maybe they are disguised and so on, it could be?
But the question is whether they are really against bitcoin specifically, or they are just taking advantage of the situation. We know in the bitcoin space there are still many people who enter but they are hesitant, so it could be that the opponents are just making noise and ultimately creating panic to people who are affected.
Like for example, many governments are against bitcoin, but are we sure among them really no one has bitcoin?

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Quote from: serveria.com on September 30, 2023, 04:37:00 PM

I remember in good old days there was a bunch of notorious Bitcoin naysayers visiting this forum frequently. In particular, I can mention such accounts as Stolfi, Proudhon the llama and Roach (this nazi guy was hilarious actually). I'm sure many forum regulars remember them. There were many others as well, appearing from time to time, posting anti-bitcoin bs and FUD.

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us? Grin

I've never encountered them in the past or so far, so I don't know them at all. Maybe they are starting to get sick of visiting this forum so they are no longer visible, but it's strange why they want to enter this forum if they are really anti-Bitcoin? If we take the example of someone who hates lions, but he himself is in the lion's cage, then obviously that is very funny. But if they are all still active in creating FUD for Bitcoin, it could be that they have been using other platforms to write that useless stuff until now.

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Quote from: serveria.com on September 30, 2023, 04:37:00 PM

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us? Grin

That's because Bitcoin is not facing any major dumps or there isn't much negative news floating around. Once any of this happens, they will come out of their den and talk BS again. They'll be saying shit like, "Told ya, now see? I was right. Bitcoin was always meant for doom. It is nothing more than just a scam" or other shit like that. They will never come out when Bitcoin is doing great, only when Bitcoin faces some problems, then they will come out like 'Good morning sunshine.'

It is hard to believe that people who are in this forum, know about Bitcoin and still they think that Bitcoin is bullshit. Get a life man. It's all right in front of you. Why is it so hard for you to understand? I don't know why people like this still exist. You are already in Bitcointalk forum yet you are against it. Doesn't make sense.

I think part of the problem is they also realize they are now going against big industry. At the moment there is around 400eh of gear.

That would be 4,000,000 s19 j pros

4 = 400th
40 = 4ph
400 = 40 ph
4000 = 400 ph
40000 = 4eh
400000 = 40eh
4000000 = 400eh

1 unit burns 3 kwatts an hour
4 million burn 12 million kwatts an hour
288mill kwatts a day

28800 mega watts per day is a lot of power and infrastructure . BTC may not be a ticket to the moon but it is not dropping to 0 anytime soon

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When I came first and that should be early last year, there was one naysayer in the forum which was seriously speaking against bitcoin but for some weeks later I didn't see him again and the account was not banned, the guy just disappeared. Well those guys that were speaking against bitcoin have seen the genuineness of bitcoin so they have to retrieve from their malicious, hatred way against bitcoin. And there is a saying that, if you can't beat them, you join them". Probably they have created new accounts to join the League of Bitcoin Nation. When they see that bitcoin is not going to die as they predicted, they have to join it. If they were using their naysayers accounts to make comments we would have seen them but they have giving up because they saying have not base and there fruit in them.

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Quote from: serveria.com on September 30, 2023, 04:37:00 PM

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us? Grin

That's because Bitcoin is not facing any major dumps or there isn't much negative news floating around. Once any of this happens, they will come out of their den and talk BS again. They'll be saying shit like, "Told ya, now see? I was right. Bitcoin was always meant for doom. It is nothing more than just a scam" or other shit like that. They will never come out when Bitcoin is doing great, only when Bitcoin faces some problems, then they will come out like 'Good morning sunshine.'

It is hard to believe that people who are in this forum, know about Bitcoin and still they think that Bitcoin is bullshit. Get a life man. It's all right in front of you. Why is it so hard for you to understand? I don't know why people like this still exist. You are already in Bitcointalk forum yet you are against it. Doesn't make sense.

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