Topic: Where are all the Bitcoin naysayers? - page 2. (Read 328 times)

I am certain that Proudhon is reading as I type. On topic no one mentions mindrust. He is kind of negative but he is active . He posted today :

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mindrust-176777

They’re still here but maybe as silent readers or observers. But I think they would come out and making noise if BTC crashes very hard like what we have experienced after reaching almost $70k, Terra Luna and FTX issue, etc.

You can’t expect everyone to appreciate Bitcoin. Like my uncle from my father’s side, he still do not want to get involved into Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies as he doesn’t believe in that. However, the good thing is that he didn’t criticize me for going into this route as he just mind his own business.

His daughter however is interested to get into Bitcoin, but her dad told her not to because of “high risk”. He was having a traditional mindset due to his position in the government. I didn’t shill them about Bitcoin lol, it’s just that they only see my activities in Facebook, etc.

the halcyon days, correct? back when Bitcoin detractors were as common online as memes. Don't you recall those names? There, my buddy, you have a point. You're taking it all the way back to the days of Roach, Proudhon, and Stolfi. They certainly had a penchant for FUD and Bitcoin drama.

But hey, where are they now? You don't see them much, do you? What's wrong here? Does it mean they've vanished, or perhaps (just possibly) you're not going to the areas they used to haunt these days? Or perhaps their quiet was caused by the skyrocketing price of Bitcoin? Their pessimism may have been disproven by their growing popularity, and they may have faded into the background. Still, the globe is enormous, and the forum is huge. You never know where their next appearance might be.

Oh yeah I remember them all (except for the RawDog guy). jonoiv was a real douchebag he appeared during dumps and mocked hodlers. Every single time. I can see his last activity on this forum was back in 2021. I guess he just accepted that Bitcoin is great and it's not going anywhere or just got tired of his own bs and people ignoring this delusional prick.

The naysayers of Bitcoin are those who trade altcoins or shitcoins more than they do BTC, that's if they do own BTC.
BTC has proven to be a valuable asset that can be left for sometime and one would still have gains when sold off. Although the gains may not be as much as altcoins or shitcoins, it is the almost steady nature it possesses that makes it of value.

It kind of reminds me a bit of r/Buttcoin, which has been around since time immemorial... They have made names for themselves by being steadfast in their wrongness. I remember I tried to use a source for a bitcoin article I was writing one time and the editor told me, no, the guy from r/Buttcoin wrote that, he's a total chode, you can't use it.

Some other prominent anti-bitcoiners that were once active on the forum:

jonoiv
NotLambChop
RawDog (most likely a troll account)
MemoryDealers (he started turning to the darkside in early 2016, basically by arguing that Bitcoin Classic - later BCH - was the same thing as Bitcoin)

Things have changed a lot and it would be surprising if someone said that bitcoin will die and disappear soon these days, I believe it would be mentally unstable people, not normal people. Bitcoin is gradually being accepted in most parts of the world, many governments have accepted bitcoin as a commodity and allowed people to use it. If anyone still spreading bitcoin will die or disappear soon, it will be like they are cursing their government for being stupid and without vision. But I have to admit that even during the terrible bear season of 2022, I don't see anyone talking about the death of bitcoin anymore.

I am not familiar with the usernames you mentioned above, it could be that I was not in the forum when this set of people weee antagonizing Bitcoin. I am not quite surprised that most of these bitcoin haters are no longer in the forum and they are very minimal in the whole internet. This is because bitcoin has proven that he is the indisputable king. They have killed bitcoin with their mouths for many times and bitcoin has resurrected and shamed them all.  I have only seen bitcoin SV criticizing bitcoin and promoting a fork of Bitcoin called bitcoin cash. I did not know about his account again because I have not been seeing him.

As Franky1 has said many people who publicly criticized bitcoin may be holding a lot of Bitcoin in secret, but just to deceive the agencies and other gullible people that they do not own Bitcoin.

Yeah, I agree on proudhon, he could be a massive hodler in disguise, making fun of everyone else here. I remember the "Proudhon song" aka "Bitcoin is a bubble". That was hilarious lol. He was trolling both the naysayers and maxis with his crazy predictions.


I haven't thought about this, interesting opinion. Perhaps you're right. Overly bullish expectations can be harmful too.

Or now they are actually secretly holding Bitcoin because usually, the more someone doesn't like it, the more curious they are to look deeper and end up trapping themselves because of their words. Not a few people who were initially anti-Bitcoin have now changed their beliefs, it is possible that this will also happen to them out there.

Other Bitcoin opponents will surface if Bitcoin falls, but because they currently have no strong arguments to denounce, they end up drowning in a pile of old, unproven arguments. Just a simple example in the area where I live there are people who are active on social media who openly reject Bitcoin with a bunch of ridiculous statements, scams, etc. However, the more active he became on the internet and received a lot of information regarding the adoption of Bitcoin as the only digital asset that attracted the world's attention, little by little he became less active and found himself deleting his posts. What has happened? most likely he wants to get into Bitcoin but is too shy to announce it.

And ten years from now he will have made himself an even bigger fool to over 20 mill followers. I think I will go pester him a bit. with my the yankees win account.

I dunno what you're talking about here unless you're referring to Tesla, who sold 75% of their BTC holdings last October at a loss. Musk never disclosed his personal BTC holdings, but he has repeatedly said that he likes it and owns it. Its no secret.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1503222294277197829


He is a doge adorer. He has a literal doge (Shiba Inu) named Floki. He's probably single-handedly done more for Dogecoin than anybody else, ever. One of the things he actually contributed was encouraging the Dogecoin devs to implement transaction fee reductions, which indeed happened in late 2021.


Musk is already the richest man in the world -- he would not waste his time in this manner. As for Schiff, could be, but without proof who cares, its just another conspiracy theory.

Maybe they got too tired of Bitcoin going sideways and after years of cutting their teeth on it. 

Now there was this one guy who was busy telling us all how Bitcoin will not survive any of these movements and it's better to use gold. I bet that worked out well for him didn't it? 

Those Bitcoin naysayers already become Bitcoin yaysayers.

People who're spreading FUDs and keep attacking Bitcoin are paid actors, they must be paid by government or banks because they feel Bitcoin will become a threat for them.

Just use our logic, if someone prefer to invest in real estate and gold, but they don't trust Bitcoin. Why they need to create a long post and making Bitcoin looks really wrong if they didn't get paid? no one will want to wasting their time and energy.

gold crazy Peter Schiff was anti crypto years ago. but even he now wants a crypto blockchain to register gold ownership..

funny part is over the years he was also doing deals to get people to sell their crypto to buy gold... in short he was buying bitcoin while getting rid of his gold ownership

in short.. he actually likes bitcoin personally but pretends to be anti-bitcoin for these reasons:
a. it hurts his gold business if people use their fiat to buy btc instead of gold
b. he doesnt want to pump btc via influencer status because it harms his personal cost of buying btc
c. his BTC is his secret untaxed 'offshore account' he doesnt want the IRS knowing about

you will see many bitcoin lovers secret pretend they dont have any or they dont like it.. but their hoard says otherwise

take elon musk.. he still owns a large hoard of bitcoin. he never outted himself as  bitcoin adorer. it was media that found his SEC filings that showed he obtained bitcoin.. so he tried to avoid or break the media pump by pretending to be a doge adorer.

its like most investments from top guys.. when they shout SELL they want others to bring the price down so the top guys can buy at discount. and when they shout BUY they want other naive traders to pump the price so they can sell.. in short top traders promote publicly the opposite to their personal preference. because the actual preference if promoted would shoot their own investment strategy in the foot due to competition

I remember them and several other users as well which had the same attitude, most likely they simply moved on to other websites as the community here is simply to difficult to scare away to force them to sell just because of a little FUD.

However I am not going to deny that it was entertaining to read their posts from time to time as their arguments about why bitcoin was not good made no sense at all, and I always wondered how it was possible to be so wrong when the evidence this was the case was so obvious to everyone else.

Even though Bitcointalk is still an SEO powerhouse, its visitorship pales in comparison to what it was in 2017-2020, which is probably why we don't see so many prominent, vocal critics here anymore... They've moved on in search of a bigger audience.

Ex-forum member and prominent Bitcoin hater Jorge Stolfi for instance, has amassed quite a twitter following, with 11.4k followers:

https://twitter.com/JorgeStolfi

He is still hating on Bitcoin every day - for years! But he does it over there rather than here because he can have a bigger audience over there.

At least one username sticks in my mind. The avatar of another username which I already forgot is still in my memory also.

Sometimes, their presence is needed especially when everybody is unreasonably bullish. For as long as they are also bringing with them some logic, or at least some sense, in their arguments, it doesn't hurt the forum to have them in certain discussions. It provides some good balance, although some of them are probably not really naysayers like Proudhon. He/she certainly owns Bitcoin and is pro-Bitcoin. He/she's just chilling.

They're probably a lot better than many influencers who are always mega-bullish in their TAs as if Bitcoin will just take a straight line to the moon. Many newbies must have been carried away by how they present chart patterns as if something big is always about to come. These FOMO-inciters are probably more damaging to Bitcoin's reputation than some naysayers.

There was this one crackhead that posted quite frequently and that Pooya87 and TMAN sparred with a lot back then lololol. Not gonna lie — I miss the dude quite a bit. A lot of times he was saying some very outlandish stuff that end up being actually hilarious. I actually preferred reading those posts than those "how to earn merit" posts.

As popular as it is, Bitcoin will always have fervent supporters as well as detractors and this is quite normal under a still democratic setting and where people got the choice to choose something or not to. However, as of now, it seems to me that naysayers are having some beauty rest maybe conserving their energy for the next round when BTC will be encountering major setbacks like when there is a major market downtrend. Anyway, these negative people inherently has nothing to do whether BTC will be here to stay or not.