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Topic: Where's the new forum Theymos? (Read 24345 times)
much of the money he holds isn't even in his trust.
You're right, last time I read he held some, too. 
I seriously doubt Theymos meant he will be spending the entire 6,000BTC on a new forum. From what I'm guessing, some small ("normal") amount will be spent on the forum, and the remainder will be kept as a huge pile of money as a sort of a "bitcoin defense fund." Like if we needed to buy a politician, or fund some project to fix a recently badly-broken bitcoin bug, or something.
Since I look at the pile of money as "someone who is a huge supporter of bitcoin has a ton of money for 'just in case' scenarios," I'm all for it. Besides, I think theymos is trustworthy, and at this point, much of the money he holds isn't even in his trust.
Since I look at the pile of money as "someone who is a huge supporter of bitcoin has a ton of money for 'just in case' scenarios," I'm all for it. Besides, I think theymos is trustworthy, and at this point, much of the money he holds isn't even in his trust.
Right now the value of the 5500 bitcoins for the forum is about 4 million dollars. As people have mentioned above, we could get an awesome forum for much less than that.
Assuming the funds aren't going to be returned to people who donated, I suggest that the money could be spent much more productively than by using it on all a 4 million dollar forum. In particular, if 3.5 million dollars of the fund were used to fund projects that strengthen the protocol, like CoinJoin, or solve technical problems, the community as a whole would get a lot more benefit than they'd get from the difference between a $500k forum (which is still way more than it's necessary to spend on a forum) and a $4,000,000 forum.
One proposal for how this could work is that everyone who donated would get a vote in proportion to how much they contributed, as to whether they still want their contribution to go to the most expensive forum in history, or whether they want the majority of the money to fund bounties to improve the Bitcoin network itself.
Assuming the funds aren't going to be returned to people who donated, I suggest that the money could be spent much more productively than by using it on all a 4 million dollar forum. In particular, if 3.5 million dollars of the fund were used to fund projects that strengthen the protocol, like CoinJoin, or solve technical problems, the community as a whole would get a lot more benefit than they'd get from the difference between a $500k forum (which is still way more than it's necessary to spend on a forum) and a $4,000,000 forum.
One proposal for how this could work is that everyone who donated would get a vote in proportion to how much they contributed, as to whether they still want their contribution to go to the most expensive forum in history, or whether they want the majority of the money to fund bounties to improve the Bitcoin network itself.
Reddit is 100 times better than any forum software imho
Reddit is great for news. It's complete shit for back and forth discourse over the course of days.
Reddit and forums serve two entirely different purposes and one can't replace the other adequately. Although some of the features of Reddit would be welcome here, for sure.
This. If we remake reddit half of us will go make a real forum. Reddit is cool and all just not a forum.
Do you remember when I got you into Reddit Goat?
Reddit is 100 times better than any forum software imho
Reddit is great for news. It's complete shit for back and forth discourse over the course of days.
Reddit and forums serve two entirely different purposes and one can't replace the other adequately. Although some of the features of Reddit would be welcome here, for sure.
Reddit is 100 times better than any forum software imho
This is only an issue at all because my good management of the forum's finances resulted in a gigantic stash of money.
I'm pretty sure good management would have resulted in a small surplus not a 3 million dollar one, the money could very well have been spent both promoting bitcoin and doing all the things that people have been asking for as far as the forum is concerned as well as paying full time support staff(including an admin) long before we reached this point.Also can I nominate myself to be on the committee?
A committee is being formed to get this done.
I'm getting awfully sick of people complaining about the forum's BTC... ~57% of the forum's money is from ads, not donations. Perhaps 20% is from people who donated when BTC had very little value, and they (and I) thought that the forum software would be forthcoming. I apologize for taking so long, but my waiting has increased the purchasing power of this money by 500+%. The rest is from people who mostly just wanted the Donator/VIP label, and knew that the forum software was unlikely to appear soon. This is only an issue at all because my good management of the forum's finances resulted in a gigantic stash of money.
And why a shady person like TF was in the DefaultTrust?I'm getting awfully sick of people complaining about the forum's BTC... ~57% of the forum's money is from ads, not donations. Perhaps 20% is from people who donated when BTC had very little value, and they (and I) thought that the forum software would be forthcoming. I apologize for taking so long, but my waiting has increased the purchasing power of this money by 500+%. The rest is from people who mostly just wanted the Donator/VIP label, and knew that the forum software was unlikely to appear soon. This is only an issue at all because my good management of the forum's finances resulted in a gigantic stash of money.
Why is there a DefaultTrust at all?
A committee is being formed to get this done.
Who's going to be on the committee?
A committee is being formed to get this done.
I'm getting awfully sick of people complaining about the forum's BTC... ~57% of the forum's money is from ads, not donations. Perhaps 20% is from people who donated when BTC had very little value, and they (and I) thought that the forum software would be forthcoming. I apologize for taking so long, but my waiting has increased the purchasing power of this money by 500+%. The rest is from people who mostly just wanted the Donator/VIP label, and knew that the forum software was unlikely to appear soon. This is only an issue at all because my good management of the forum's finances resulted in a gigantic stash of money.
I'm getting awfully sick of people complaining about the forum's BTC... ~57% of the forum's money is from ads, not donations. Perhaps 20% is from people who donated when BTC had very little value, and they (and I) thought that the forum software would be forthcoming. I apologize for taking so long, but my waiting has increased the purchasing power of this money by 500+%. The rest is from people who mostly just wanted the Donator/VIP label, and knew that the forum software was unlikely to appear soon. This is only an issue at all because my good management of the forum's finances resulted in a gigantic stash of money.
6000 * 500 $ = 3 000 000 $ 
that enough for build new forum from zero ?
that enough for build new forum from zero ?
This would be enough to develop an entirely new forum platform, by an entirely new company...
6000 * 500 $ = 3 000 000 $
that enough for build new forum from zero ?
that enough for build new forum from zero ?
12 months ago I donated 10 BTC to you to make a new forum. You have since then collected over 6000 BTC and continue to collect on a regular basis, under the guise of "creating a new forum", yet you have yet to create a new forum.
Please present a status report of your progress in the past 12 months with creating the forum. Thanks.
I haven't followed this in details, but I would just like to point out that this forum is partly responsible for the TradeFortress' scam, since he was in DefaultTrust list, so if there is a huge pile of unspent funds, they might be donated towards the people who got robbed... Please present a status report of your progress in the past 12 months with creating the forum. Thanks.
Fun topic, let's continue the discussion.
Why don't you invest the bitcoins into asicminer shares?
I'm fairly confident that Bitcoin returns will beat asicminer returns. But it's his money to invest as he wants I guess.
Yeah, it looks like he is just going to keep the whole thing. How does that compare to that pirate guy? Did he get over $600K?
By A LOT! Also, all the money that pirateat40 was holding wasn't actually his, unlike all the money that theymos is holding.
I don't know what was said or what promises were made or who owns what funds. But, look at this:
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=33E6kJ46
This is a non-legal agreement between The Bitcoin Forum ("Forum") and John K. ("Treasurer"). This agreement is intended to be enforced in a non-violent, non-legal way by the community.
What is a "non-legal agreement"? How do you "enforce" an agreement in a "non-violent, non-legal" way? Has anyone, anywhere, ever seen such an agreement in the history of the World outside of Bitcoin?
Point of law, courts generally reject privitave clauses 'eg non-legal" on the basis they seek to usurp jurisdiction, not always but often, and the default supervening jurisdiction is usually the one where the service is offered or where the server resides
I suppose that's why mafias, drug cartels & the rest of the real underworld are known for strict non-violence & peer arbitration through rational discourse & transparency.
I suppose you're right
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Italy#Violent_crime
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosa_Nostra#Protection_rackets
Well, you ain't getting a ride 'coz you're brainy, that's for sure
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosa_Nostra#Protection_rackets ?? -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosa_Nostra#Violence_and_reputation
Yes dorothy, organised crime does use violence. Surprised? Now GTF in the van, will ya?
For those too lazy to click on and read those links, and to show that crumbs is a liar who tries to win argumentsby mischaracterizing other people's statements, here are a few quotes from those links:
From Italy's crime statistics:
- At 0.013 per 1,000 people, Italy has the 47th highest murder rate in the world. This makes the murder rate in Italy less than 1/3 that of the United States.
- Italy is also a country with lower rates of rape than most other nations of the Western world. It has the 46th highest per-capita rate of rape in the world
- According to Police authorities data, the percentage of rapes per 100.000 inhabitants is significantly higher in the regions of the North than in the South ones. (south ones being the ones under mafia control)
From info on Cosa Nostra, Italy's biggest mafia:
- "These rules are not to touch the women of other men of honour; not to steal from other men of honour or, in general, from anyone; not to exploit prostitution; not to kill other men of honour unless strictly necessary; ... not to quarrel with other men of honour; to maintain proper behavior; ..." (redacted about keeping quiet w/ regards to police)
- Gambetta describes the Mafia as a cartel of "private protection firms" who act as guarantors of trust and security in areas of the economy where such things are scarce and fragile. In exchange for money or favors, mafiosi use the credible threat of violence to protect their clients from fraudsters, thieves, and competitors.
- by and large there are many clients who actively seek and benefit from mafioso protection. ... This is one of the main reasons why the Mafia has resisted more than a century of government efforts to destroy it: the people who willingly solicit these services protect the Mafia from the authorities.
- Mafiosi approach potential clients in an aggressive but friendly manner, like a door-to-door salesman. ... Physical assault is rare
- The Mafia's power comes from its reputation to commit violence, particularly murder, against virtually anyone and get away with it. Through reputation, mafiosi deter their enemies and enemies of their clients. It allows mafiosi to protect a client without being physically present (e.g. as bodyguards or watchmen), which in turn allows them to protect many clients at once.
In other words, they use as little violence as possible, but establish a strong reputation that say that if anyone else commits violence, they will be met with stronger violence. As a result, areas under mafia control have much less violence and crime than areas without it. Not because the mafia is extremely violent, but because it has an extremely overwhelming reputation.
Edit: And don't forget 
And that's why Pirateat40 never happened -- 'coz non-violent, non-legal agreements work great and never fail.
You bring up one failure out of the tens, if not hundreds of thousands of examples of trades that happened on this form alone that haven't failed, and use that as an example to prove that non-violent trades can't happen? Or to prove that trades reqire violence to happen? GTFO.
TL;DR but color me convinced -- the world run by organized crime is paradise. I guess libertarian capitalism is ... what, close second?
Edit: Just skimmed through. Something about Pirateat40 being 1 in whatever? LOOOOL!!11! Learn to history! This forum is an excellent record of failure! To this day, PMB are being sold & bought by people unwilling to do basic math. Shilling is approved. Sockpuppetry is the norm. Wake up & smell the frikin' coffee!
I suppose that's why mafias, drug cartels & the rest of the real underworld are known for strict non-violence & peer arbitration through rational discourse & transparency.
I suppose you're right
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Italy#Violent_crime
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosa_Nostra#Protection_rackets
Well, you ain't getting a ride 'coz you're brainy, that's for sure
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosa_Nostra#Protection_rackets ?? -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosa_Nostra#Violence_and_reputation
Yes dorothy, organised crime does use violence. Surprised? Now GTF in the van, will ya?
Edit: And don't forget
And that's why Pirateat40 never happened -- 'coz non-violent, non-legal agreements work great and never fail.
And that's a fact, 'coz i'm always right & never lie 4realz.
And that's a fact, 'coz i'm always right & never lie 4realz.
I don't know what was said or what promises were made or who owns what funds. But, look at this:
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=33E6kJ46
This is a non-legal agreement between The Bitcoin Forum ("Forum") and John K. ("Treasurer"). This agreement is intended to be enforced in a non-violent, non-legal way by the community.
What is a "non-legal agreement"? How do you "enforce" an agreement in a "non-violent, non-legal" way? Has anyone, anywhere, ever seen such an agreement in the history of the World outside of Bitcoin?
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=33E6kJ46
This is a non-legal agreement between The Bitcoin Forum ("Forum") and John K. ("Treasurer"). This agreement is intended to be enforced in a non-violent, non-legal way by the community.
What is a "non-legal agreement"? How do you "enforce" an agreement in a "non-violent, non-legal" way? Has anyone, anywhere, ever seen such an agreement in the history of the World outside of Bitcoin?
Yes I have. Non-legal just means you agree not to get government or the legal system involved. Non-legal agreements is how the vast underground black market has worked for thousands of years, be it drugs or counterfeit goods or whatever. It is also how the globalized business economy is just starting to work, where companies that don't work in any specific country can no longer pick which legal system to work with/within. You can enforce such agreements violently, or you can enforce them by letting everyone know that the person broke the agreement, and have others decide to never do any more deals with that person (no one would loan you anything, sell you anything, or do any business with you). Or you can resolve them in private arbitrage, and publish the results of the decision, letting everyone else make up their own opinion as to the outcome.
Lolz. I suppose that's why mafias, drug cartels & the rest of the real underworld are known for strict non-violence & peer arbitration through rational discourse & transparency.
And that's why Pirateat40 never happened -- 'coz non-violent, non-legal agreements work great and never fail.
And that's a fact, 'coz i'm always right & never lie 4realz.
Theymos, where do you study at summer time?
I have advice for you:
Do you hear about i2p project?
http://www.i2p2.de/bounties.html
They use "system of bounties". It looks great and looks work.
For example:
make I2P IPv6 native - €100 EUR and 50BTC
I2P package in Debian and Ubuntu mirrors - €113 EUR
Bitcoin client for I2P - €30 EUR and 118,34BTC
I2p is opensource, like bitcoin, that way this bounties for all of us.
Simple Machines Forum (SMF) - too opensource.
How do you feel this way?
I have advice for you:
Do you hear about i2p project?
http://www.i2p2.de/bounties.html
They use "system of bounties". It looks great and looks work.
For example:
make I2P IPv6 native - €100 EUR and 50BTC
I2P package in Debian and Ubuntu mirrors - €113 EUR
Bitcoin client for I2P - €30 EUR and 118,34BTC
I2p is opensource, like bitcoin, that way this bounties for all of us.
Simple Machines Forum (SMF) - too opensource.
How do you feel this way?
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