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legendary
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June 18, 2013, 12:49:24 PM
#76
Was there a separate address for this "new forum" or everyone just donated to default one?
That's also a pretty good question.
Seems all donations are bundled into the same wallet, even if the addresses may in fact be different. Donations made that also carried "titles" such as "Donator" or "VIP" were made to custom addresses I believe.
I don't understand your answer. Is there a (some) 'New forum only donations' address(es)?



With so many cultists defending his actions and not willing to take an objective look at the bigger picture here, it is likely entirely out of the realm of possibilities, or  at least as likely as giving BFL a scammer tag. I fully support a stand against this forum's revenue by creating the "better" forum Theymos never bothered to in 12 months time with all our money. I think the lack of progress should be met with a reaction fitting for a community that pretends to love the free market.
You were free to give him your Bitcoin and he is free to keep it.   

With 6000 BTC and it is pretty easy to hire part-time staff, develop tipping widgets, and have a person to handle the advertising.
I kinda agree
But I can see reasons why theymos doesn't seem to move a lot about this:
  • He can't find someone trustworthy enough
  • He is afraid some big bugs/hacks happens that would lead to reactions like "YOU wanted this new forum! That's YOUR fault!!1!"
  • SMF is not that bad
  • He has many other tasks with higher priority to do
  • He doesn't give a damn
  • He wants to keep the money in case of emergency (not necessarily related to the forum)
legendary
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June 18, 2013, 12:21:43 PM
#75
It is people like you that damage Bitcoin's reputation.  The people with the most Bitcoins should be most concerned it because you are damaging their investment.

Are you a troll? You sound like Betty Bowers, a "better bitcoiner than us"

If not, you seem to be a bit overly concerned about Bitcoin's image. First, why? And second, sketchy ads are the least of your worries on a sketchy forum full of sketchy characters like this one.

Also, why are so many of you demanding regulations? Why are you demanding a successful forum fold to your personal wishes over the wishes of others? Why are you demanding that theymos work as a nanny for some other people you don't even know? Why do you think donations should be considered purchases? And why not just make a forum of your own? I know Bruce Wagner made one, as did BFL, so why not you?
hero member
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June 18, 2013, 11:30:23 AM
#74
Did he clearly state that?
That there will be no refunds? Nope, not yet.

Was there a separate address for this "new forum" or everyone just donated to default one?
That's also a pretty good question.
Seems all donations are bundled into the same wallet, even if the addresses may in fact be different. Donations made that also carried "titles" such as "Donator" or "VIP" were made to custom addresses I believe.
legendary
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June 18, 2013, 11:27:05 AM
#73
Actually I was talking about this post
A legal attack on the forum because people talk about Bitcoin? Wth are you smoking?
Oh, sorry then. Use quotes next time!

In response to their response, I think it's clear they just don't understand what happens on these forums. It's like calling congress a "big hall of just discussion of laws and stuff".
For now at least


Also, about the topic, I'm curious to know what theymos ever said about all this money because I never really followed all this drama
A very short sum up would be nice
Did he said anything about possible refunds?


With so many cultists defending his actions and not willing to take an objective look at the bigger picture here, it is likely entirely out of the realm of possibilities, or  at least as likely as giving BFL a scammer tag. I fully support a stand against this forum's revenue by creating the "better" forum Theymos never bothered to in 12 months time with all our money. I think the lack of progress should be met with a reaction fitting for a community that pretends to love the free market.
Did he clearly state that?


Was there a separate address for this "new forum" or everyone just donated to default one?
That's also a pretty good question.
hero member
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June 18, 2013, 11:17:40 AM
#72
Was there a separate address for this "new forum" or everyone just donated to default one?

Also should've just get right quotes, find someone to take the possible job, and stopping accepting donations after estimated sum has been reached.

100 BTC is more than enough to employ team of 5-10 ppl for a month
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June 18, 2013, 11:12:42 AM
#71
Actually I was talking about this post
A legal attack on the forum because people talk about Bitcoin? Wth are you smoking?
Oh, sorry then. Use quotes next time!

In response to their response, I think it's clear they just don't understand what happens on these forums. It's like calling congress a "big hall of just discussion of laws and stuff".
For now at least


Also, about the topic, I'm curious to know what theymos ever said about all this money because I never really followed all this drama
A very short sum up would be nice
Did he said anything about possible refunds?


With so many cultists defending his actions and not willing to take an objective look at the bigger picture here, it is likely entirely out of the realm of possibilities, or  at least as likely as giving BFL a scammer tag. I fully support a stand against this forum's revenue by creating the "better" forum Theymos never bothered to in 12 months time with all our money. I think the lack of progress should be met with a reaction fitting for a community that pretends to love the free market.
legendary
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June 18, 2013, 11:06:42 AM
#70
Actually I was talking about this post
A legal attack on the forum because people talk about Bitcoin? Wth are you smoking?
Oh, sorry then. Use quotes next time!

In response to their response, I think it's clear they just don't understand what happens on these forums. It's like calling congress a "big hall of just discussion of laws and stuff".
For now at least


Also, about the topic, I'm curious to know what theymos ever said about all this money because I never really followed all this drama
A very short sum up would be nice
Did he said anything about possible refunds?
hero member
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June 18, 2013, 11:03:07 AM
#69
Actually I was talking about this post
A legal attack on the forum because people talk about Bitcoin? Wth are you smoking?
Oh, sorry then. Use quotes next time!

In response to their response, I think it's clear they just don't understand what happens on these forums. It's like calling congress a "big hall of just discussion of laws and stuff".
legendary
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May Bitcoin be touched by his Noodly Appendage
June 18, 2013, 11:01:47 AM
#68
Actually I was talking about this post
A legal attack on the forum because people talk about Bitcoin? Wth are you smoking?
hero member
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June 18, 2013, 10:59:00 AM
#67
This can't possibly not be a troll

False. Theymos holds us all to high expectations, giving scammer tags to those whom he feels are dishonest despite no transactions of any kind having taken place (as with my bet), yet he is allowed to freely solicit 6000+ BTC from the community while claiming it's for something that has never been begun in 12 months, much less not yet completed. His standard is a double one at that and he should be called out on it.
legendary
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June 18, 2013, 10:54:17 AM
#66
This can't possibly not be a troll
legendary
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June 18, 2013, 10:22:04 AM
#65
There is actually another reason for all this money, which theymos has been trying to keep under wraps. As bitcoin is becoming more popular, it is now being targeted by government agencies, like FinCEN, NSA, etc. and more government meddling is expected. There is expectation that main communication hubs, like this forum, will become major targets for governments to take down, in order to try to disrupt bitcoin itself. So the plan is to use this money to move the server into a location that will be impossible for governments to raid and shut down. Specifically, theymos is going to be buying a small drone that will be carrying a lightweight server, and will stay in the air almost 24x7. The large amount of money will mostly be used to pay for a satellite data connection, and refueling costs to keep it aloft.
While this is very funny, there is also good point to it - having funds to negate a legal attack on the forum could be very important in the future.

I don't know how the pirate bay manage their hosting, but they seem to be untouchable. If we need to go down that route at some point it could cost a fair bit, I assume?

Also having funds stashed for a potential legal defense is never a bad idea.



A legal attack on the forum because people talk about Bitcoin? Wth are you smoking?

You are either very naive or how no idea how much business takes place on this forum.  
rme
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June 18, 2013, 09:36:32 AM
#64
There are a bunch of reasons for a legal attack on the forums.

1. running unregistered securities exchanges involving Americans
2. promoting illegal activities like online gambling to Americans
3. encouraging trading in amounts larger than $10,000 USD without SAR filings w Americans
4. promoting illegal banking activities like trade fortress offerings
5. promoting a possible mail fraud scheme like the one operated by BFL

it seems almost likely that some government agent would subpoena the operators/mods and records and database to determine who the specific players are in these illegal activities.



You forgot to mention:

  • Various moderator sponsored/approved libel campaigns against businesses
  • Promotion and facilitating in the transaction of known criminals, scammers and money laundering
  • Having an admin who promotes and allows ponzi schemes, including those of Pirateat40's, as well as being a shareholder in things like GLBSE
  • Allowing scams and extortions
hero member
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June 18, 2013, 09:34:33 AM
#63
There are a bunch of reasons for a legal attack on the forums.

1. running unregistered securities exchanges involving Americans
2. promoting illegal activities like online gambling to Americans
3. encouraging trading in amounts larger than $10,000 USD without SAR filings w Americans
4. promoting illegal banking activities like trade fortress offerings
5. promoting a possible mail fraud scheme like the one operated by BFL

it seems almost likely that some government agent would subpoena the operators/mods and records and database to determine who the specific players are in these illegal activities.



You forgot to mention:

  • Various moderator sponsored/approved libel campaigns against businesses
  • Promotion and facilitating in the transaction of known criminals, scammers and money laundering
  • Having an admin who promotes and allows ponzi schemes, including those of Pirateat40's, as well as being a shareholder in things like GLBSE

Sometimes I second guess myself as being just naive, but jesus christ there is some epic naivety in bitcoin businesses. "They can't touch me because bitcoin!"  Roll Eyes
newbie
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June 18, 2013, 09:33:02 AM
#62
There are a bunch of reasons for a legal attack on the forums.

1. running unregistered securities exchanges involving Americans
2. promoting illegal activities like online gambling to Americans
3. encouraging trading in amounts larger than $10,000 USD without SAR filings w Americans
4. promoting illegal banking activities like trade fortress offerings
5. promoting a possible mail fraud scheme like the one operated by BFL

it seems almost likely that some government agent would subpoena the operators/mods and records and database to determine who the specific players are in these illegal activities.

hero member
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June 18, 2013, 09:09:12 AM
#61
There is actually another reason for all this money, which theymos has been trying to keep under wraps. As bitcoin is becoming more popular, it is now being targeted by government agencies, like FinCEN, NSA, etc. and more government meddling is expected. There is expectation that main communication hubs, like this forum, will become major targets for governments to take down, in order to try to disrupt bitcoin itself. So the plan is to use this money to move the server into a location that will be impossible for governments to raid and shut down. Specifically, theymos is going to be buying a small drone that will be carrying a lightweight server, and will stay in the air almost 24x7. The large amount of money will mostly be used to pay for a satellite data connection, and refueling costs to keep it aloft.
While this is very funny, there is also good point to it - having funds to negate a legal attack on the forum could be very important in the future.

I don't know how the pirate bay manage their hosting, but they seem to be untouchable. If we need to go down that route at some point it could cost a fair bit, I assume?

Also having funds stashed for a potential legal defense is never a bad idea.



A legal attack on the forum because people talk about Bitcoin? Wth are you smoking?
donator
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June 18, 2013, 04:51:15 AM
#60
- More money is better than less money. I'm not going to turn down donations when people want to donate. (Though when asked, I often recommend that people not donate.) I'm not going to stop selling ads even though the forum probably has "enough" money. It's not bad for the forum to have extra money. It will be used on something useful at some point. If you don't like this, don't donate.
- More than half of the forum's money is from ads, not donations.
- During the school year, I am a full time student. I barely have time to administrate the forum.
- When I do have time, there are many interesting/important/fun things that compete for my attention. I don't spend all day working on the forum. I've certainly not been working full-time for 12 months on vaporware forum software...

I am still very interested in creating new forum software, and we probably now have enough money to do it. SMF works alright (definitely not perfectly), but there are two main problems with it that require more than just some modifications. Firstly, the coding style is generally insecure. It's very easy to introduce new security flaws, and it's likely that SMF has unknown security flaws. Secondly, modifications to SMF are somewhat difficult, and some types of modifications are so difficult that they will almost certainly never be done here. (Other forum software isn't significantly better, from what I've seen.)

There is unfortunately no magical machine which takes money and creates excellent software or hires a team of competent people. I'm not quite sure how best to turn the money into a good software product. I originally intended to give someone a bunch of money and have them handle the whole thing. I talked with dozens of people interested in doing this, but none of them made me totally confident. A while ago I decided that I will probably never be confident in any one person/company handling the entire project because I've thought about it much longer than they have (2 years), and I have many details about how it should work in my mind. So I probably need to get closer to the development process. My current plan is to write some detailed up-to-date specifications and do some of the high-level architectural work (DB tables, primarily) and then lead a team to do the rest.

I have a little more time now, but the forum software project is a somewhat low priority. I have several high-priority things to fix with the current software. If you want to help, I could use a very security-conscious PHP programmer to help me maintain/improve the current SMF installation.


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June 17, 2013, 08:17:18 PM
#59
I am not going to elaborate more on that.
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June 17, 2013, 08:03:59 PM
#58
Where did I say everybody? There is a couple of reasons why I hide my whois info, and scamming is not one of the reasons or something that I'd do. If I wanted to scam, I would actually use my identity, go to DEFCON (lol), and then run. I'd rather make CoinLenders last, even in a situation where cryptocurrencies are outlawed.
I'm pretty sure I know what one of those reasons is. (Libel suit anyone?)
legendary
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June 17, 2013, 08:03:11 PM
#57
In case the new forum turns us all back into newbies I've started planning out my first 5 posts...
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