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legendary
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March 25, 2014, 02:04:51 AM
#41
I voted for import/export taxes. The way I see it, each country has to protect itself from other countries' production and exports, and import taxes are a good way to protect the economy against it. No protection would just devaluate the nation's currency even more due to other countries selling stuff for a cheaper price (#BitcoinMasterCoin). But then again, this goes against many capitalist principles. I would like to see someone's reply to this (though, take it easy on me).

It goes against economic principles. Basically, trade benefits everyone. The benefit is maximized when each country produces what they are best at producing, even if another country is better than they are. Look up "comparative advantage". Duties, quotas, and subsidies introduce inefficiencies that reduce those benefits because it encourages production of things we aren't good at producing.

Anyway, the duties, quotas, and subsidies, especially on cotton, corn, rice, and sugar, help a small number of U.S. corporations and hurt U.S. consumers and everyone else. If we got rid of duties and subsidies, we could buy food more cheaply and the formerly subsidized corporations could grow something else. Everyone would benefit.
legendary
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March 25, 2014, 01:32:23 AM
#40
The gas tax to pay for roads is about the "least bad". It is as close to a pay per use as you can get.
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March 24, 2014, 07:57:02 PM
#39
Maybe I should have started with just asking who believes the primary purpose of taxation is outright wealth redistribution. That's for another thread now, I suppose...

I don't think that needs another thread - that question is integral to which taxes people would prefer since some taxes are inherently redistributive.
legendary
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March 24, 2014, 11:42:46 PM
#39
Maybe I should have started with just asking who believes the primary purpose of taxation is outright wealth redistribution. That's for another thread now, I suppose....

What do you believe is the primary purpose of taxation?
I am just thinking about paying for law enforcement, fireman, building roads and so forth.

Well, I don't believe taxes are an appropriate way of paying for societal needs, but I used to, and when I did the primary justification was (1) for centralized defensive expenditures that might be difficult to arrange privately (an army, police, etc.) and (2) for common-use goods/services that everyone needs yet would have questionable benefit from competition (primarily roads and courts.)

Of course, I would still rate those as the strongest arguments as far as what the purpose of taxes should be. Anything not for group-use (and this includes handing out charity) can be done by individual people and/or organizations, so why bother with bureaucratic centralization, expensive middlemen and politicizing the task? (The "free rider" problem can be addressed in a variety of ways beyond forcing everyone to pay for everything.)
legendary
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March 24, 2014, 10:39:22 PM
#38
I voted for import/export taxes. The way I see it, each country has to protect itself from other countries' production and exports, and import taxes are a good way to protect the economy against it. No protection would just devaluate the nation's currency even more due to other countries selling stuff for a cheaper price (#BitcoinMasterCoin). But then again, this goes against many capitalist principles. I would like to see someone's reply to this (though, take it easy on me).
hero member
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March 24, 2014, 09:09:29 PM
#37
Maybe I should have started with just asking who believes the primary purpose of taxation is outright wealth redistribution. That's for another thread now, I suppose....

What do you believe is the primary purpose of taxation?
I am just thinking about paying for law enforcement, fireman, building roads and so forth.
legendary
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March 24, 2014, 06:55:45 PM
#36
Maybe I should have started with just asking who believes the primary purpose of taxation is outright wealth redistribution. That's for another thread now, I suppose....
newbie
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March 24, 2014, 05:06:09 PM
#35
Luck has nothing to do with it. My parents worked hard to give me a good education and I have worked hard and put that education to good use.

Sounds like you were pretty lucky to be born to such good parents. Would you have succeeded if you were born to lazy parents who taught you that school was a waste of time, or if none of your role models had a job?

I'm not proposing that you continue to work hard and pay every penny you earn to the state, but it's fair for you to support those who aren't as well-off.

While I can see where you come from with favoring property taxes over income taxes, you'd rather penalize saving/hoarding rather than consumption?

Well, yes. Consumption stimulates the economy and provides jobs. To be clear, I would advocate a threshold below which you would not pay tax on accumulated wealth. You should be able to save enough to support yourself in your old age, but not to accumulate millions of pounds worth of cash and investments, acres of land, multiple mansions all without paying tax.

With a progressive wealth tax beginning at estates worth over (e.g.) £1m and a significant inheritance tax, money would naturally flow from the wealthy to the poor - as a rich person you either spend your money on goods and services which pay people's wages, or give it to the government who spend it on schools and hospitals which primarily benefit those who can't afford private education and healthcare.
hero member
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March 24, 2014, 05:32:11 PM
#35
I think tax is fine if the rate is low. I would prefer a sales tax rather than an income tax. Poll/head tax is probably the fairest.
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March 24, 2014, 05:20:51 PM
#34
wealth tax, take the money from rich people and give it to poor people

Robin Hood style goverment Cheesy
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March 24, 2014, 02:33:02 PM
#33

I am well-off by Western standards and I assure you that luck has nothing to do with it.


Luck has had everything to do with it  Roll Eyes 
legendary
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March 24, 2014, 02:03:46 PM
#32
I also want to point out that people living in "poverty" in Western countries are considered wealthy by the rest of the world. Do you feel that they should also subsidize the rest of the world?

Well, that's one of the root problems with wealth redistribution; how far should the attempt to redistribute be extended? Within a neighborhood (where charity works best?) Within a region? A nation? Globally? Wouldn't anything less than global redistribution be arbitrary?

Apparently though, one's predisposition towards it seems to influence once's preference of certain taxes over others. In ways I hadn't expected, really.
legendary
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March 24, 2014, 01:47:36 PM
#31
I believe that people have the right to a basic standard of living which should be subsidised by those who are fortunate enough to have a standard of living far higher.

I am well-off by Western standards and I assure you that luck has nothing to do with it. My solidly middle class parents worked hard to give me a good education and I have worked hard and put that education to good use. I am certainly not "fortunate". I object to your trivialization of my effort and your desire to confiscate the results of it.

I also want to point out that people living in "poverty" in Western countries are considered wealthy by the rest of the world. Do you feel that they should also subsidize the rest of the world?
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March 24, 2014, 01:47:19 PM
#30
Voluntary(donation) tax is best, sales tax is the least bad, cause at least it promotes saving. Still theft though.
sr. member
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March 24, 2014, 01:41:20 PM
#29
I don't like the idea of property tax. Once you've purchased property, you shouldn't have to be a renter on said property. I would support shifting revenue sources to other types of taxes if property tax could be done away with.

I find income/payroll taxes offensive, but they are the ones most visible to a large portion of the population, and so should likely stick around. If taxes were all hidden on corporate profits and such so that ordinary people didn't see them, the general population would be howling for even more government spending and entitlements. As it is now, at least there is a considerable part of the population that opposes greater taxation for the purpose of greater government spending. Taxes need to remain visible and painful, otherwise government will grow even more quickly.
newbie
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March 24, 2014, 11:05:49 AM
#28
Not a single vote for a death tax.

To the rescue! Cheesy

Inheritance tax is a tax on unearned income that you get purely based on your relatedness to some-one who was wealthy. Inheritance fosters entrenched privilege and wealthy dynasties and should be taxed heavily.

Otherwise, I vote as a general rule for forms of tax where the wealthy pay more than the poor. I believe that people have the right to a basic standard of living which should be subsidised by those who are fortunate enough to have a standard of living far higher.

I would also favour wealth and property taxes over income taxes - hoarding should be penalised rather than working.
legendary
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March 24, 2014, 01:35:55 PM
#28
Not a single vote for a death tax.

To the rescue! Cheesy

Inheritance tax is a tax on unearned income that you get purely based on your relatedness to some-one who was wealthy. Inheritance fosters entrenched privilege and wealthy dynasties and should be taxed heavily.

Otherwise, I vote as a general rule for forms of tax where the wealthy pay more than the poor. I believe that people have the right to a basic standard of living which should be subsidised by those who are fortunate enough to have a standard of living far higher.

I would also favour wealth and property taxes over income taxes - hoarding should be penalised rather than working.

While I can see where you come from with favoring property taxes over income taxes, you'd rather penalize saving/hoarding rather than consumption? I'd take a sales tax or excise tax over property tax any day, even if you had to massage the specifics (don't tax food or basic needs, etc.) to make it less weighty on the poor.
legendary
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March 24, 2014, 02:43:35 AM
#27
...snip...

A resource tax forces a "use" that generates income.  The resource owner is free to do what he wants and if he is rich enough to leave the resource idle, he can do that. 



So you'd be against Nature conservancy groups in principle?

Its a poll about if there was only one way to raise tax what would it be.  Lets not pollute it by getting into a tax expenditures system: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_expenditure

If it's important for you we can make a new thread.
legendary
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March 23, 2014, 12:59:42 PM
#26
I've chosen property tax, because it's quite normal if you own a land to pay a little for maintaining roads going to it, taking out the garbage, and that kind of stuff. I'm surprised so many chose corporation tax, because that couldn't work everywhere. Big corporations are plentiful in America or Europe, but there are plenty of poor countries with very few companies.

About income or asset-related taxes, I'm against all of them for the simple reason that I don't want anyone (besides family and friends) to know how much I'm making, nor what I own. I don't want to hide (I don't), but I want my privacy.
hero member
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March 23, 2014, 12:17:29 PM
#25
You forgot the choice for "no taxes". Sorry I can't vote.

Tax funds the government which enslaves us. Why would any one want to be a slave?
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