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October 15, 2023, 04:48:14 PM
Well, what a great scheme - you work at work and earn money to spend this money on gambling right at work, then you work again and so on in a circle. Smiley Wonderful, isn't it? You don’t even have to go home, start a family and try to secure a decent future for yourself.

Okay, let's put the stupid jokes aside.

I am absolutely sure that gambling at work will negatively affect the productivity of one’s work tasks, and if we add to this the possible losses in online casino, then this will already be double damage.

Many here claim that they perceive gambling as entertainment, but work processes are in no way comparable to entertainment and therefore, it is necessary to clearly separate these two types of activity. Work at work, and have fun like gambling in your free time.

That kind of behavior will obviously end up how it has many times in the pass, likely the person Lossing their job and trying to continue to fuel their gambling addiction through other less legitimate means.
Losing ones job because of gambling is supposed to be one of most important and earliest wake up calls for gamblers to realize their are going down a dangerous path, if they realize and correct their course on time, then there won't be reasons for them to suffer much further.

It is similar when someone is arrested for a small crime and won't change their ways, to further progress onto commiting felonies.

Depends on how the situation would really be that severe in terms of engagement with gambling yet there are still people who would really be able to retain their control despite of playing while at work on which they could really be still able to do their job and able to play at the same time whenever they do have the opportunity. Not all people who do play gambling at work would definitely be ending up on losing their job. It would really be always that depend on how you would really be making those actions because if you dont make out such control and discipline towards yourself and werent really that sensible on what actions you would really be making
then pretty sure you would really beending up on having that kind of problem on which it isnt really that something that you could be able to avoid if you do tolerate your addiction.

Gambling isnt bad as long you do make yourself that responsible or else you would definitely really be that experiencing on things which arent supposed you would really gonna need to experience.
It would really be all depending on how you would really be making yourself that aware on the actions that you are making.
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October 15, 2023, 04:33:51 PM
Exactly. No one on the right mind would spend money on gambling while working. Treasuring your job is a must, it is the employee's responsibility to provide output and perform a job well done every single day, focusing and completing your task at work must be the priority without doing anything especially gambling. We work to earn money, burning that money in gambling is a waste of time and effort.

Gambling while at work will not give a good outcome. Aside from feeling agitated as you have some tasks to keep in mind, it can lead to losing your focus and probably not gonna perform well.
My job and gambling, which is important? Ofcourse I'll choose my job because it's consistent in paying my bills at the end of the month unlike gambling that's risky and unreliable to depend on. Most of my colleagues have been fired due to been addicted to gambling, they never made any plans to manage and they're gradually losing themselves. Serving two master at a time doesn't work because there's whole lot to learn about life. It will not always give us what we expects, rather moves contrary to our budgets and causing to become distracted with the dealings.
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October 15, 2023, 04:17:54 PM
Playing something even if it's not gambling during work hours is definitely the best possible way to lose a job FAST. I don't really know why you get to ask these very weird questions. I mean, why would anyone in their sane mind will decide to just randomly gamble at their workplace? What difference will it make when you gamble at home? If you have a poor work ethic, quit the job and do something else that would make you money, then gamble to your heart's content.
Exactly. No one on the right mind would spend money on gambling while working. Treasuring your job is a must, it is the employee's responsibility to provide output and perform a job well done every single day, focusing and completing your task at work must be the priority without doing anything especially gambling. We work to earn money, burning that money in gambling is a waste of time and effort.

Gambling while at work will not give a good outcome. Aside from feeling agitated as you have some tasks to keep in mind, it can lead to losing your focus and probably not gonna perform well.
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October 15, 2023, 12:23:11 PM
I'd like to share my experience with you all. Even though I'm not currently employed, I went through a phase of gambling while I was working in the past, and the outcome wasn't positive. It affected my job performance because, as you may know, when you lose, you tend to dwell on your losses and constantly think about strategies to win. When we talk about work, it usually means we're not particularly wealthy, and imagine what happens when we gamble money we can't afford to lose, especially when we're not earning much.

Let me tell you, the feeling is far from pleasant. It leads to a decline in your work performance, which can have significant consequences since that's your primary source of income. It might be manageable if you're winning, but the harsh reality is often quite the opposite. Even when we do win, we tend to spend most of our winnings, so we don't treat it as business money. This leaves us in a precarious situation when we lose because the money we initially budgeted for our families gets diverted to cover unexpected gambling-related expenses.

I'd like to hear from those of you who have experienced this or are still dealing with it. Please share your testimonies.


I'm feeling nostalgic with your story, it is bringing back some memory of some hardship I ones had back in the days. It's not easy to be a man but again, we must do everything legitimately to survive. From my days of gambling, I have had an adaptation of gambling to be a place where you will lose more money than what you are going to win, this is nothing but the truth. The percentage of people that win more money than what the actually lose are less than 1 percent in gambling.

With this orientation in mind, I don't make mistake of placing more than what will bite me. My work is hard and time consuming on weekdays, so I don't joke with the pay but you know that all work no play will make one a dullard, I must hang out and of them is catching fun with sports and football and basketball will come into play and as a result, betting will ensue. I must bet but there is tiny I will use that will be nothing, that if compare with things, it will not be enough to get me a proper meal.

I know it's hard to take loss and process it when it doesn't favour you but you must accept it and move on but if you must make it quick and easy to forget, don't ever and ever play with the money you cannot afford to lose. It's not a must to gamble your money, if you don't have it quit gambling quietly and enjoy the rest of your life with other activities that will impact your life.
legendary
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October 15, 2023, 12:22:49 PM
if you bet "actively" by checking the results/odds and so on you cannot do another activity.
There are no alternative possibilities.
you can dedicate yourself only to this activity. Any work requires attention it can't be done in the same time you are gambling. Yes during a break but no more.

I would also add that it is unprofessional and in these cases you can risk a disciplinary sanction that can go as far as... to get fired! I wouldn't bet on this....
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October 15, 2023, 12:07:28 PM
Well, what a great scheme - you work at work and earn money to spend this money on gambling right at work, then you work again and so on in a circle. Smiley Wonderful, isn't it? You don’t even have to go home, start a family and try to secure a decent future for yourself.

Okay, let's put the stupid jokes aside.

I am absolutely sure that gambling at work will negatively affect the productivity of one’s work tasks, and if we add to this the possible losses in online casino, then this will already be double damage.

Many here claim that they perceive gambling as entertainment, but work processes are in no way comparable to entertainment and therefore, it is necessary to clearly separate these two types of activity. Work at work, and have fun like gambling in your free time.

That kind of behavior will obviously end up how it has many times in the pass, likely the person Lossing their job and trying to continue to fuel their gambling addiction through other less legitimate means.
Losing ones job because of gambling is supposed to be one of most important and earliest wake up calls for gamblers to realize their are going down a dangerous path, if they realize and correct their course on time, then there won't be reasons for them to suffer much further.

It is similar when someone is arrested for a small crime and won't change their ways, to further progress onto commiting felonies.
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October 15, 2023, 10:49:48 AM
Well, what a great scheme - you work at work and earn money to spend this money on gambling right at work, then you work again and so on in a circle. Smiley Wonderful, isn't it? You don’t even have to go home, start a family and try to secure a decent future for yourself.

Okay, let's put the stupid jokes aside.

I am absolutely sure that gambling at work will negatively affect the productivity of one’s work tasks, and if we add to this the possible losses in online casino, then this will already be double damage.

Many here claim that they perceive gambling as entertainment, but work processes are in no way comparable to entertainment and therefore, it is necessary to clearly separate these two types of activity. Work at work, and have fun like gambling in your free time.
hero member
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October 15, 2023, 10:47:49 AM
I'd like to share my experience with you all. Even though I'm not currently employed, I went through a phase of gambling while I was working in the past, and the outcome wasn't positive. It affected my job performance because, as you may know, when you lose, you tend to dwell on your losses and constantly think about strategies to win. When we talk about work, it usually means we're not particularly wealthy, and imagine what happens when we gamble money we can't afford to lose, especially when we're not earning much.

Let me tell you, the feeling is far from pleasant. It leads to a decline in your work performance, which can have significant consequences since that's your primary source of income. It might be manageable if you're winning, but the harsh reality is often quite the opposite. Even when we do win, we tend to spend most of our winnings, so we don't treat it as business money. This leaves us in a precarious situation when we lose because the money we initially budgeted for our families gets diverted to cover unexpected gambling-related expenses.

I'd like to hear from those of you who have experienced this or are still dealing with it. Please share your testimonies.
I think at least in the life of the gambler, we have experienced this kind of phase in our lives. For me when I was working still in a office environment, there were one casino that is close to us, newly built that time. So me and my friends will try to sneak out and then go to that casino and play. In the beginning it was fun, but when you start to lose big money, then the problem arises. Specially when it's payday, you received your paycheck and the first thing you do is go and play and everything you work for that 2 weeks is gone in an instant. And then you are mentally not stable, your performances are affected in the office. And then there are days that I will call in sick after a big lost. So not really healthy financially and emotionally. However, that was before, I already learn to prioritized things like putting food in the table for my family. Although I still play in land based casinos and online, it's not like before when I was really that addicted and out of control.
Your experience as narrated is in nexus to a scene I witness about a year ago in an in land casino house, a young man in a gray color suit with an office box he was holding gambled till his last penny and had to continue gambling on credit after losing all of the money he hand in account. After gambling on credit to a significant amount the cashier told him to pay the credit before still been allowed further more. Of which he has no money to pay for the credits the cashier had to ask the bouncer that is stage as a security person at the entrance of the casino to strip him off his clothes and also taking his office box with the documents inside.

After much interrogation about how he would have to gamble on credit to the amount he did it was discovered that he stopped by to gamble on his way after work just to cool off the stress of the day and it happened that he just received his payment that very day and from cooling off from the work stress with a little gambling he found himself gambling away his whole salary he was paid that day.  And in his quest to chase the losses he had to gamble on credit promising the cashier to pay before leaving anyway.

I have had more worse stories than this but I don't why in spite of how I gamble  I haven't found myself in any of these shoes and that might be because I never stop to recognize the difference between money meant for gambling and money for other purposes in my life. The moment gamblers can't differentiate the difference it then mean that addiction has set in.
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October 15, 2023, 10:42:04 AM
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I slightly agree and disagree, agree because yes anything can change with a slight factor, for example you only plan to play for 30 mins but at some point you hooked up in the game and doesn't notice the time past by. Disagreed, as long as you do your work, finished your task then there's no problem with that. i personally play gambling at work and it doesn't affect my performance and work as long as I know my priority and I know how manage my time.
At least we know where we are, so we don't use work time to play games or even gamble. After all, if we have free time at the office, we can rest instead of doing other activities. We can refresh our minds and bodies so that when it's time to work, we will be fresher and more enthusiastic. But as I said, each person has their own choice, and it's up to them which one they can do. But do it wisely so that it doesn't interfere with your work activities and those of your friends.

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That's right, although there may be absolutely no supervision from their superiors that they dare to gamble, but still this is an act that should not be done by anyone. You have to be able to put something in its place, if it's time to work then work, don't do other activities outside of that, especially gambling, it's not recommended. Why? I said some of the effects of gambling such as maybe emotions when losing will affect your work, and after that you will not be able to focus on work, one day surely your boss will question your performance decreases, and the bad risk is because of that you could be terminated.

Gambling is just for fun and to complete your empty time, maybe when off work or whatever, certainly when you have no other activities then you can gamble to relieve boredom a little, I think that's all. So you have to be able to put things in the right portion.
If we lose at gambling and are still in the office, it will affect our work performance, so it will have a domino effect on our co-workers. Later, they might feel disturbed. After all, your attitude has changed because you have just experienced defeat. And that disturbs our focus. But it's okay if other people choose to gamble in their office because they think they can still focus on gambling and working at the same time.

We can only suggest without wanting to impose our will because we understand that each person has their own choice.
legendary
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October 15, 2023, 10:33:55 AM
Playing something even if it's not gambling during work hours is definitely the best possible way to lose a job FAST. I don't really know why you get to ask these very weird questions. I mean, why would anyone in their sane mind will decide to just randomly gamble at their workplace? What difference will it make when you gamble at home? If you have a poor work ethic, quit the job and do something else that would make you money, then gamble to your heart's content.
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October 15, 2023, 10:16:38 AM
I'd like to share my experience with you all. Even though I'm not currently employed, I went through a phase of gambling while I was working in the past, and the outcome wasn't positive. It affected my job performance because, as you may know, when you lose, you tend to dwell on your losses and constantly think about strategies to win. When we talk about work, it usually means we're not particularly wealthy, and imagine what happens when we gamble money we can't afford to lose, especially when we're not earning much.

Let me tell you, the feeling is far from pleasant. It leads to a decline in your work performance, which can have significant consequences since that's your primary source of income. It might be manageable if you're winning, but the harsh reality is often quite the opposite. Even when we do win, we tend to spend most of our winnings, so we don't treat it as business money. This leaves us in a precarious situation when we lose because the money we initially budgeted for our families gets diverted to cover unexpected gambling-related expenses.

I'd like to hear from those of you who have experienced this or are still dealing with it. Please share your testimonies.
Yeah, I don't think anything positive could come from gambling while working.

Your attention will be focused on the wrong things, and losing money, which is the most likely scenario, will simply compound the negatives feelings.

It will probably end up in the gambler losing their money and their job eventually.
Losing the job is a more serious consequence of this action because getting another job won't be easy. When you leave your job or get fired, it becomes difficult to get a new job because having a recommendation letter with good words about you can actually make other companies think about recruiting you, but when your recommendation letter says that you are not reliable since you used to gamble during working hours and used to waste a lot of time on that, the next companies will barely think of hiring you.

So, one should think about it more critically than they are right now if they are actually gambling at work because that's not a very good idea. Apart from the fact that you might lose your money, you can lose your job and along with your job, your reputation as well when people come to know that you've lost your job because of your gambling addiction.
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October 15, 2023, 09:14:23 AM
~snip~
If the work doesn't need the supervision of his boss, that's fine. Even if he is playing Dota in his cubicle, it will just be fine as long he can submit results in time. But maybe to some bosses it will be a problem especially if the rest of the employees also play more. This is using the company's resources for your benefit.

But whatever is prohibited is always the most desirable. So even if the bosses doesn't want employees to play/gamble while working I'm sure we do it whenever there is a chance as long as we can use our phones.
If so, that means he can gamble at work. But in any case, it is best for someone not to carry out activities that are not related to work at work so that it will not interfere with their work. But I see people playing online games at work because they are waiting for other work to finish, which happens in many places.

So it depends on each person because some people still play on their phones at work. Some people don't play because they feel they are at work, and it would be unethical if they played at work. And some people work but also play games. But it's best not to play any games when someone is working.

That's right, although there may be absolutely no supervision from their superiors that they dare to gamble, but still this is an act that should not be done by anyone. You have to be able to put something in its place, if it's time to work then work, don't do other activities outside of that, especially gambling, it's not recommended. Why? I said some of the effects of gambling such as maybe emotions when losing will affect your work, and after that you will not be able to focus on work, one day surely your boss will question your performance decreases, and the bad risk is because of that you could be terminated.

Gambling is just for fun and to complete your empty time, maybe when off work or whatever, certainly when you have no other activities then you can gamble to relieve boredom a little, I think that's all. So you have to be able to put things in the right portion.
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October 15, 2023, 08:38:25 AM
I do not really have a problem gambling from work because I have everything well planned out. It does not interfere with my job in any way whatsoever... I spend less than 30 minutes predicting and placing my bets. Although this is possible because of the nature of my job that requires I am on my computer with internet access always.

Gambling to me is just a sides hustle to compliment what I do. I don't plan with gambling money neither am I desperate to win. So to me it is fine gambling from work.
But you have to remember that even though you can plan it well, you can experience changes to your plan because we are only humans who can experience mood changes. It can cause us to deviate from the plans we have made. But hopefully, you will stick to your plan so that you don't experience any problems if you continue to gamble while you work. And I hope that when gambling, you only use the money you can afford and still control yourself because you are gambling at work, where someone may find out.
I slightly agree and disagree, agree because yes anything can change with a slight factor, for example you only plan to play for 30 mins but at some point you hooked up in the game and doesn't notice the time past by. Disagreed, as long as you do your work, finished your task then there's no problem with that. i personally play gambling at work and it doesn't affect my performance and work as long as I know my priority and I know how manage my time.
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October 15, 2023, 08:27:16 AM
~snip~
If the work doesn't need the supervision of his boss, that's fine. Even if he is playing Dota in his cubicle, it will just be fine as long he can submit results in time. But maybe to some bosses it will be a problem especially if the rest of the employees also play more. This is using the company's resources for your benefit.

But whatever is prohibited is always the most desirable. So even if the bosses doesn't want employees to play/gamble while working I'm sure we do it whenever there is a chance as long as we can use our phones.
If so, that means he can gamble at work. But in any case, it is best for someone not to carry out activities that are not related to work at work so that it will not interfere with their work. But I see people playing online games at work because they are waiting for other work to finish, which happens in many places.

So it depends on each person because some people still play on their phones at work. Some people don't play because they feel they are at work, and it would be unethical if they played at work. And some people work but also play games. But it's best not to play any games when someone is working.
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October 15, 2023, 08:16:35 AM
Personally, I don't allow extra activities to affect my working hours. First,  it's very bad for me to engage in anything that's not in line with my employment contract, as the management has the right to fire you without pay for that very month. I was served a query by my senior colleague back then after just seeing me reading something on the internet about a crypto project.
 
I don't gamble at work, but I have seen people who do that, and it doesn't end well with them. A few of the people who actually engage in such activities that I know are the owners of their work place, so they don't have to go through any form of query, but it affects their business as their focus is not entirely on what they are out to do but on how to win a game, or their mood and emotion are not based on what they have just recently lost and what they could have won. Gambling at work is not good and is something any responsible person should avoid.
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October 15, 2023, 07:50:08 AM
I'd like to share my experience with you all. Even though I'm not currently employed, I went through a phase of gambling while I was working in the past, and the outcome wasn't positive.
Personally I have come to realise that to give yourself a winning chance you don't need a divided mind that is invested in doing worked related stuff and your money making hustle all at the same time, besides in some work places this is considered stealing company time  and can call for disciplinary action if you are a repeat offender.

It affected my job performance because, as you may know, when you lose, you tend to dwell on your losses and constantly think about strategies to win.
Losing is never a fun thing and worseoff something that hurts your financial well-being will always mess up your emotions and psychology and pretty much change your mood from good to bad in an instant.

I'd like to hear from those of you who have experienced this or are still dealing with it. Please share your testimonies.
Best remedy is gamble when you have time to yourself and if gambling can wait , play your games over the weekend when you are relaxed and all.
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October 15, 2023, 07:33:22 AM
I want to say that you are great to have your own business, with the condition you like playing gambling, rarely a gambler has a business that runs or progress.
I also have a friend who has a business but still gambles at online casinos and his business is generated from his big winnings in getting lottery money, actually it depends on how he manages it, most intelligent gamblers will not consider gambling as their source of income even though sometimes when getting a big jackpot can create a business for themselves, depending on how they control their emotions when they win and how they manage it.

Most people are always greedy with their winnings so they keep playing again until their winnings and capital run out, he is very different in that he can regulate himself when to gamble and when to do business, he has his own and controlled budget so he never There is a problem with the business he is running, because if a gambler has become an addict, it will be difficult for him to run his existing business and he will even go bankrupt and his money will run out because of gambling. it all depends on mindset
Maybe there are some people who can really use their winnings from gambling, especially from lottery like your friend because the possibility of winning is very small in lottery, but he doesn't forget that he has to use his winnings to build a business, I can categorize gamblers like that into gamblers who is responsible and has good management in him.

I have a little question, is someone who used to be a businessman and then gambles at risk of drowning in gambling? Or are those who were originally gamblers and then opened their business going to get good results in the future?

Alright, guys, I've added a poll – let's see how many of us are sneaking in some gambling during our working hours. It's pretty cool to see how many of you can relate to this thread I cooked up. It just popped into my head because I think it's a seriously interesting topic. You know, that work-life balance thing, and how sometimes we bring a slice of our personal lives into the job.

I've noticed some replies swinging in favor of the companies, saying it's basically time theft, and sure, they've got a point. But let's face it, we all steal a bit of time here and there, don't we?

Keep the posts coming, I'm pretty sure there are still some people out there who haven't stumbled upon this thread yet. Let's keep the conversation going!
Good option, but I think the average person here doesn't work under a company that has a time contract, after I saw the results only a few people filled it, maybe it takes more time for them to voice it. In terms of work ethics, this is certainly a detrimental thing for the company, even if the worker has free time in the work session, it would be better to use it to do other things.
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October 15, 2023, 06:56:20 AM
I want to say that you are great to have your own business, with the condition you like playing gambling, rarely a gambler has a business that runs or progress.
I also have a friend who has a business but still gambles at online casinos and his business is generated from his big winnings in getting lottery money, actually it depends on how he manages it, most intelligent gamblers will not consider gambling as their source of income even though sometimes when getting a big jackpot can create a business for themselves, depending on how they control their emotions when they win and how they manage it.

Most people are always greedy with their winnings so they keep playing again until their winnings and capital run out, he is very different in that he can regulate himself when to gamble and when to do business, he has his own and controlled budget so he never There is a problem with the business he is running, because if a gambler has become an addict, it will be difficult for him to run his existing business and he will even go bankrupt and his money will run out because of gambling. it all depends on mindset
Your friend is doing something amazing and brilliant, and it's all about mindset, right? Mindset matters more than everything! Gambling is dangerous... Your friend has an unusual situation. He's strategically gambling, which is really different from gambling

Most people win a little money, then what? They try again, hoping for a great win. Not your pal! Taking those wins and turning them into a thriving business is smart thinking. Control, control, and more control! Knowing when to quit, when to walk away, and how to use your winnings... The ticket

Gambling is not a sustainable revenue source, guys! Even the smartest, most clever gamblers realise this. Other revenue streams and plans are essential; never rely exclusively on gambling wins to sustain your life or business. To succeed, you must be smart and strategic on this exciting adventure
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October 15, 2023, 02:11:22 AM
Alright, guys, I've added a poll – let's see how many of us are sneaking in some gambling during our working hours. It's pretty cool to see how many of you can relate to this thread I cooked up. It just popped into my head because I think it's a seriously interesting topic. You know, that work-life balance thing, and how sometimes we bring a slice of our personal lives into the job.

I've noticed some replies swinging in favor of the companies, saying it's basically time theft, and sure, they've got a point. But let's face it, we all steal a bit of time here and there, don't we?

Keep the posts coming, I'm pretty sure there are still some people out there who haven't stumbled upon this thread yet. Let's keep the conversation going!
legendary
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October 15, 2023, 01:52:11 AM
I want to say that you are great to have your own business, with the condition you like playing gambling, rarely a gambler has a business that runs or progress.
I also have a friend who has a business but still gambles at online casinos and his business is generated from his big winnings in getting lottery money, actually it depends on how he manages it, most intelligent gamblers will not consider gambling as their source of income even though sometimes when getting a big jackpot can create a business for themselves, depending on how they control their emotions when they win and how they manage it.

Most people are always greedy with their winnings so they keep playing again until their winnings and capital run out, he is very different in that he can regulate himself when to gamble and when to do business, he has his own and controlled budget so he never There is a problem with the business he is running, because if a gambler has become an addict, it will be difficult for him to run his existing business and he will even go bankrupt and his money will run out because of gambling. it all depends on mindset
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