Topic: Who are owners of this forum? (Bounty Manager or Users?) - page 3. (Read 958 times)

Alt accounts are fine and permitted by the rules:

Lots of people have known alt accounts and don't get red trust. Lots of very established members have alt accounts. Even theymos has an alt account: theymos_away. So does global moderator hilariousandco.

People who get red trust on alt accounts are either because they are using multiple alts to break the rules of some bounty campaigns, or because they are a scammer using an alt account to try to evade red trust.

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The forum rules are not directly linked to red trust - you will be banned for breaking a forum rule, but you won't be banned for breaking a signature campaign rule. Similarly, there are plenty of things which are not forum rules which you will receive red trust for. There's nothing in the forum rules regarding scamming, and yet it's widely accepted that you will receive red trust for doing so.

Some signature campaigns allow alt accounts and some do not. If you enroll alt accounts in one that does not then you are breaking their rules and liable for red trust. You won't be banned for it, though, because it's not against the forum rules.

But there is a constant fight in the forum.
Reason for the fight is always same: alt-accounts and bounty.
Therefore, the most popular sections: Meta and Reputation.
The fights are tiring and annoying.

Forum rules clearly say "You can use different accounts". Even this is encouraged.
In this case, it is ethical to participate in signature campaigns on different accounts.
In this case, participating in signature campaigns on different accounts is not "abuse".

If I bring up a topic. Can I announce my own rules?
* Swear to each other
* Share nude photos
* Do plagiarism

That would be ridiculous, wouldn't it? Because the forum has rules.

Thanks for your comment.
Just I think...

To answer your question, Satoshi owns this forum, though he's not active anymore (is he?) after the year 2009.

And about the thing of having alt accounts, it is strictly prohibited in all of the campaigns here in this forum. Bounty managers and DTs are just maintaining this forum's cleanliness and effectiveness, they don't own it.

Reading the particular rules of a bounty as stated by Royse777 will let you know if you are able to use multiple accounts in that bounty. Noone is saying do not have multiple accounts. Managers just have rules that they expect everyone to follow.

Some managers allow multiple accounts, some don't. I think most bitcoin paying signature campaigns do not allow a user to have multiple accounts in a campaign. Bounties are where that rule is much different. Some allow multiple twitter accounts, some allow multiple facebook accounts, and some allow multiple accounts in anything they are paying a bounty for. It's all about reading the rules.

This also goes both ways when it comes to the scambusters. They need to read the rules of a bounty before outing users that used multiple accounts and trying to get them tagged.

If a person can express himself more easily by using another account, there is no problem to use more than one account.

However, If you use more than one account, there may be many people who want to give you a red trust due to their own absurd rules.

There is a difference.

You can use multiple accounts to express your opinions.

You can't use multiple accounts to abuse signature campaigns/giveaways/bounty campaigns. This is not a forum rule. It will not result in a ban if you do so but you won't be able to join the campaigns anymore with your known alts.

Joining campaigns with multiple accounts is stealing. You are stealing from the other legit users and nobody wants to deal with thieves.

You can't use ANY accounts once you get banned. (Only meta is allowed)

You got wrong assumption.

You can not use different accounts in the same bounty or signature campaign if the bounty manager strictly have this in his rules otherwise you are okay with multi accounts.

So the forum management and none of the members are not stopping you to have more than one accounts.

Rules are here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657
And I did not find anything about not joining in the same campaign yet.

The forum has a very basic problem and contradiction.
Management says "you can open alternative accounts, this way you can express yourself better"
If the identity of your account is known, you cannot express yourself freely.
So it makes sense to open an alternative account. For free thoughts.

But, Bounty manager and some DT member says, "You can't use different accounts."
That's exactly where all the fights start.
If alt-account is allowed in this forum, then I should be able to use the account as I wish.
Scam or theft is something different. We need to catch these.
But shouldn't we be able to use an account that we developed with own ideas as we wish?

Can we discuss this? Only some DT Members form ethical rules in their own judgment.
With this trend, the forum will gradually shrink.
Distinguished writers are excluded, accused, pushed out.
I think campaigns that do not accept Forum rules should be thrown out.
This forum is not created for ads in the signature.
This forum was created for free thought and quality articles.

Let's not forget the philosophy that Satoshi left us.
Free thought, Decentralization, Personal privacy.

I just wanted to write my thoughts.
I want to start a philosophical discussion. (Not for personal discussion)
Please don't be mad at me. I'm sorry for my bad english.

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But there is a constant fight in the forum.
Reason for the fight is always same: alt-accounts and bounty.
Therefore, the most popular sections: Meta and Reputation.
The fights are tiring and annoying.

Forum rules clearly say "You can use different accounts". Even this is encouraged.
In this case, it is ethical to participate in signature campaigns on different accounts.
In this case, participating in signature campaigns on different accounts is not "abuse".

If I bring up a topic. Can I announce my own rules?
* Swear/curses to each other
* Share nude photos
* Do plagiarism

That would be ridiculous, wouldn't it? Because the forum has rules.

Additional:
The forum rules say "you can use alternative accounts".
Rules don't say, "You can't join the same ad campaign."
So you can use your account as you like.
The purpose of advertising campaigns is to show more people.
Researching people like the police is not the goal.

The missing rule in Bounty is:
"You must earn xx merits in the last 120 days"
If you are looking for quality in the forum, the merit system was made for this.
If conditions are changed appropriately, advertising campaigns also achieve their goal.
After writing quality articles for years, an account can join any campaign.
Why are you fighting so much for this? Merit is very difficult and hard to win.

Why isn't it considered ethical to participate in the same ad campaign?
Whose ethical judgments will we accept? There is no such jurisdiction in the forum rules.
This is not fraud. This situation does not deserve negative trust.
Because the rules fit this situation. We're just discussing ethically.

You have written many valuable comments. My goal is not a bad thing. It's just an ethical-philosophical discussion.