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July 19, 2014, 07:52:11 AM
#54
I feel that $10,000 a coin is Bitcoin's destiny easily. Given the amount of growth and maturity that comes along with it and the limited supply of Bitcoins in circulation, its only a matter of time when $10,000/BTC will be the new $100/BTC.

Chime in!

I would like to believe it, but i dont.
When you think just about how much fiat is needed to keep the price in 10k USD range each day; thats something that banks would block definetly.
Even at the stage we are in currently, its hard to operate due to banks closing bitcoin related accounts, then just imagine the fuss if u multiply that by 10x-20x.

In a "best case scenario" , where the banks and that 1% population would have it in their interest for bitcoin to be at that value, then, and only then can 1 bitcoin be worth 10k $.

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July 19, 2014, 06:10:27 AM
#53
We are not hitting 10k anytime soon, if ever.  Bitcoin will be replaced by another currency, should the technology continue to move forward.

That Sir, is the only thing which will take Bitcoin down...if any other competing digital currency gets ahead of Bitcoin. Especially if some government decides to toss one out~

no one will adopt it, it will fail, end of story.

we are moving AWAY from fiat, not towards it.

you all just afraid of big numbers, but



these 8 people are the owners of companies that total a networth of 1 trillion

that's 128 times the value of all currently mined bitcoins combined. And they're just 8 people....

Walmart has a networth of 486 billion or so (over 60 times the value of all bitcoins currently mined), and that's just 1 single company)

the gold market is worth 7 trillion dollars, about a 1000 times more than the bitcoin market, and really, does not bitcoin offer much more utility than gold? It's basically gold 2.0

and don't even get me started on real estate bubbles etc.

Bitcoin will grow to a multi-trillion dollar industry, mark my words.



What most people argue about the 2.0 gold argument is that Bitcoin hasn't got any intrinsic value, that is, may the network fall or may there would be a mad max type scenareo... who would take Bitcoin as something as value anymore? While gold is a material thing that can be used in real life. That's the typical old school investor type of guy that I get when I try to explain Bitcoin to them. They are somewhat right tho, but in any case, in a mad max type scenareo, I maintain that the guy with the bigger guns and most food resources is who runs the place. I don't expect any niceness on such scenareo, like people doing trades and shit. I hope we never get to such a place and we all become Bitcoin millonaires, that is if I ever get to reunite enough money to but 1 BTC first Embarrassed
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July 19, 2014, 06:06:19 AM
#52
I feel that $10,000 a coin is Bitcoin's destiny easily. Given the amount of growth and maturity that comes along with it and the limited supply of Bitcoins in circulation, its only a matter of time when $10,000/BTC will be the new $100/BTC.

Chime in!

A 100-fold increase is easily possible with Wall Street jumping in.



We don't even need Wall Street to reach 10,000

We will most likely reach it next year, with or without Wall Street.

We are not hitting 10k anytime soon, if ever.  Bitcoin will be replaced by another currency, should the technology continue to move forward.
unlikely
I think this will be Impossible until the FBI auctions off their 140k coins.

Investors are not stupid enough to invest money into bitcoins at this point knowing that the FBI has 140k coins that they will auction off - the auction will of course cause the price to fall considerably.

The only real use of coins at this point is if you need to open an exchange with them or have some other use like the silk road coin winner did (I think he was opening an exchange with the coins he won/ exchange arbitrage or something) - but investors who want to simply hold coins will simply wait for the 140k auction  and buy cheaply when the price crashes - at that point the market can start rising again - depending on who bought the coins (steady hands vs weak ones who will dump when price rises) and other factors.

We should look at the big chinese panic selling event when the chinese gov announced banning Bitcoin in several places. What amount of coins were sold during that period of time? How much would the price fall with a 140K coin sellout? Also, would they sell all at once, or a periodical sellout?
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July 19, 2014, 06:04:33 AM
#51
Well, of course I didn't though Bitcoin could go to 1000 dollar 2 years ago... I didn't even fathom that as a remote posibility. So there, yeah it can happen, technically it could go to 1 million dollars, this is a good thread by rpiet:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rpietila-wall-observer-the-quality-ta-thread-400235

Of course, the question is when. It may take ages, we'll be old and crippled by then  Embarrassed
Also, a lot, a lot of people will lose a lot of money in the way, because there will be crashes, panic buys and panic sells, it's going to be an insane road of ups and downs, that is the only thing I know for granted lol.
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July 18, 2014, 08:50:29 PM
#50
I feel that $10,000 a coin is Bitcoin's destiny easily. Given the amount of growth and maturity that comes along with it and the limited supply of Bitcoins in circulation, its only a matter of time when $10,000/BTC will be the new $100/BTC.

Chime in!

A 100-fold increase is easily possible with Wall Street jumping in.



We don't even need Wall Street to reach 10,000

We will most likely reach it next year, with or without Wall Street.

We are not hitting 10k anytime soon, if ever.  Bitcoin will be replaced by another currency, should the technology continue to move forward.
unlikely
I think this will be Impossible until the FBI auctions off their 140k coins.

Investors are not stupid enough to invest money into bitcoins at this point knowing that the FBI has 140k coins that they will auction off - the auction will of course cause the price to fall considerably.

The only real use of coins at this point is if you need to open an exchange with them or have some other use like the silk road coin winner did (I think he was opening an exchange with the coins he won/ exchange arbitrage or something) - but investors who want to simply hold coins will simply wait for the 140k auction  and buy cheaply when the price crashes - at that point the market can start rising again - depending on who bought the coins (steady hands vs weak ones who will dump when price rises) and other factors.

still with the auction panic talk? i thought you guys would realize now that auctions don't crash the price.
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July 18, 2014, 01:49:12 PM
#49
I think this will be Impossible until the FBI auctions off their 140k coins.

Investors are not stupid enough to invest money into bitcoins at this point knowing that the FBI has 140k coins that they will auction off - the auction will of course cause the price to fall considerably.

The only real use of coins at this point is if you need to open an exchange with them or have some other use like the silk road coin winner did (I think he was opening an exchange with the coins he won/ exchange arbitrage or something) - but investors who want to simply hold coins will simply wait for the 140k auction  and buy cheaply when the price crashes - at that point the market can start rising again - depending on who bought the coins (steady hands vs weak ones who will dump when price rises) and other factors.

The marshals just completed a 30k auction, and if anything, the price went up. It sure didn't crash.
Yes
A) because it was only 30k - not nearly as much as 140k
B) As I noted the guy was not an investor but was trying to open an exchange and be involved in exchange arbitrage.

140k will definitely crash the price. Theres a reason why only 1 guy won all the coins - he needed them for something besides just investing - all the other buyers offered much less than he did - this tells you that for the 140k unless there is an exception like with the 30k auction - the bidders will lowball offers for the coins = prices go down.

Wrong, the FBI wont sell all the coins at one time, why do you think they sell 30k first. Cant you think by youre self, this is pure logical. Typical straightforeward tunnelvision.

Bitcoin will reach 10k within 2 years, its just 2-3 bullruns.

The FBI's coins were in two batches, one of 30k (SR) and one of 140k (DPR).
Ross Ulbricht is fighting for the 140k, which is the sole reason they weren't also sold at the marshall's auction with the 30k.

I also think bitcoin will reach five figures soon. I know we have the potential.
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July 17, 2014, 07:19:31 AM
#48
I think this will be Impossible until the FBI auctions off their 140k coins.

Investors are not stupid enough to invest money into bitcoins at this point knowing that the FBI has 140k coins that they will auction off - the auction will of course cause the price to fall considerably.

The only real use of coins at this point is if you need to open an exchange with them or have some other use like the silk road coin winner did (I think he was opening an exchange with the coins he won/ exchange arbitrage or something) - but investors who want to simply hold coins will simply wait for the 140k auction  and buy cheaply when the price crashes - at that point the market can start rising again - depending on who bought the coins (steady hands vs weak ones who will dump when price rises) and other factors.

The marshals just completed a 30k auction, and if anything, the price went up. It sure didn't crash.
Yes
A) because it was only 30k - not nearly as much as 140k
B) As I noted the guy was not an investor but was trying to open an exchange and be involved in exchange arbitrage.

140k will definitely crash the price. Theres a reason why only 1 guy won all the coins - he needed them for something besides just investing - all the other buyers offered much less than he did - this tells you that for the 140k unless there is an exception like with the 30k auction - the bidders will lowball offers for the coins = prices go down.

Wrong, the FBI wont sell all the coins at one time, why do you think they sell 30k first. Cant you think by youre self, this is pure logical. Typical straightforeward tunnelvision.

Bitcoin will reach 10k within 2 years, its just 2-3 bullruns.
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July 17, 2014, 05:18:50 AM
#47
It's impossible without regulation and secure and reliable exchanges.

Major investors will never put money through shady exchanges without a trusted third party.

That's coming soon.
Now that the US Mint guy tweeted that he bought bitcoin, more will follow Wink

I believe in 10K a coin soonish (say 2015).

10k is possible but I think unlikely  by 2015 , may be 2017-18.
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July 17, 2014, 05:01:07 AM
#46
It's impossible without regulation and secure and reliable exchanges.

Major investors will never put money through shady exchanges without a trusted third party.

That's coming soon.
Now that the US Mint guy tweeted that he bought bitcoin, more will follow Wink

I believe in 10K a coin soonish (say 2015).
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July 17, 2014, 12:17:22 AM
#45
I think this will be Impossible until the FBI auctions off their 140k coins.

Investors are not stupid enough to invest money into bitcoins at this point knowing that the FBI has 140k coins that they will auction off - the auction will of course cause the price to fall considerably.

The only real use of coins at this point is if you need to open an exchange with them or have some other use like the silk road coin winner did (I think he was opening an exchange with the coins he won/ exchange arbitrage or something) - but investors who want to simply hold coins will simply wait for the 140k auction  and buy cheaply when the price crashes - at that point the market can start rising again - depending on who bought the coins (steady hands vs weak ones who will dump when price rises) and other factors.

The marshals just completed a 30k auction, and if anything, the price went up. It sure didn't crash.
Yes
A) because it was only 30k - not nearly as much as 140k
B) As I noted the guy was not an investor but was trying to open an exchange and be involved in exchange arbitrage.

140k will definitely crash the price. Theres a reason why only 1 guy won all the coins - he needed them for something besides just investing - all the other buyers offered much less than he did - this tells you that for the 140k unless there is an exception like with the 30k auction - the bidders will lowball offers for the coins = prices go down.

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July 17, 2014, 12:11:04 AM
#44
I think this will be Impossible until the FBI auctions off their 140k coins.

Investors are not stupid enough to invest money into bitcoins at this point knowing that the FBI has 140k coins that they will auction off - the auction will of course cause the price to fall considerably.

The only real use of coins at this point is if you need to open an exchange with them or have some other use like the silk road coin winner did (I think he was opening an exchange with the coins he won/ exchange arbitrage or something) - but investors who want to simply hold coins will simply wait for the 140k auction  and buy cheaply when the price crashes - at that point the market can start rising again - depending on who bought the coins (steady hands vs weak ones who will dump when price rises) and other factors.

The marshals just completed a 30k auction, and if anything, the price went up. It sure didn't crash.
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July 16, 2014, 11:44:33 PM
#43
I feel that $10,000 a coin is Bitcoin's destiny easily. Given the amount of growth and maturity that comes along with it and the limited supply of Bitcoins in circulation, its only a matter of time when $10,000/BTC will be the new $100/BTC.

Chime in!

A 100-fold increase is easily possible with Wall Street jumping in.



We don't even need Wall Street to reach 10,000

We will most likely reach it next year, with or without Wall Street.

We are not hitting 10k anytime soon, if ever.  Bitcoin will be replaced by another currency, should the technology continue to move forward.
unlikely
I think this will be Impossible until the FBI auctions off their 140k coins.

Investors are not stupid enough to invest money into bitcoins at this point knowing that the FBI has 140k coins that they will auction off - the auction will of course cause the price to fall considerably.

The only real use of coins at this point is if you need to open an exchange with them or have some other use like the silk road coin winner did (I think he was opening an exchange with the coins he won/ exchange arbitrage or something) - but investors who want to simply hold coins will simply wait for the 140k auction  and buy cheaply when the price crashes - at that point the market can start rising again - depending on who bought the coins (steady hands vs weak ones who will dump when price rises) and other factors.
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July 16, 2014, 11:34:14 PM
#42
I want to believe too, but I find it hard to believe that we will pass something like $5,000 per coin.   Trust me, I would love to be wrong, and pass $10,000.   I just logically don't see it...

I think mathematically we would need to be much higher than current prices if BTC is going to truly become a competitor to a Visa or Mastercard, I just don't know where the top would be...



Well, here's the math for the 5-figure bull-case: http://www.honestnode.com/bitcoin-fair-value-a-first-assessment/

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...Our analysis determines that one bitcoin must be worth $27381 in order to support 10% of common medium-of-exchange economic activity, plus well under 10% of existing common store-of-value demand.



I would love to support this, but in my opinion, there were at least couple of problems with the article:

1)  Bitcoin as 10% of the remittance market is nothing short of wild speculation.  It seems unlikely.
2)  I believe the author has miscalculated velocity.  He's looking at, I believe, things like mining transactions and including them in velocity calcs.  This would be akin to counting the printing press moment as a velocity event, but I do not think USD velocity calcs work that way.
3)  I believe that the M2 calculation is actually the appropriate one to make--which I don't typically see, so I really like that he's working with M2 as a fundamental building block to determine value.  But I think it's pegged in a very arbitrary fashion in this article.
4)  I'm having a hard time understanding why these elements he identifies would all be additive.  Take the M2 calculation, for example.  It's probably a good measure.  But the uses he identifies and ADDS to the M2 value determinant are really just part and parcel of M2. 

That said, I'm open to being told why I'm wrong.  I'm an MBA and I do a lot of microecon work, but I don't have as much exposure to macro. 
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July 16, 2014, 08:37:11 PM
#41
I feel that $10,000 a coin is Bitcoin's destiny easily. Given the amount of growth and maturity that comes along with it and the limited supply of Bitcoins in circulation, its only a matter of time when $10,000/BTC will be the new $100/BTC.

Chime in!

A 100-fold increase is easily possible with Wall Street jumping in.



We don't even need Wall Street to reach 10,000

We will most likely reach it next year, with or without Wall Street.

We are not hitting 10k anytime soon, if ever.  Bitcoin will be replaced by another currency, should the technology continue to move forward.
unlikely
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July 16, 2014, 08:32:40 PM
#40
It's impossible without regulation and secure and reliable exchanges.

Major investors will never put money through shady exchanges without a trusted third party.

And that's the right spot for Winklevoss twins joining this party, when Bitcoin enters to Wall Street there you will have the first multimillionaire reliable exchange Smiley
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July 16, 2014, 08:22:39 PM
#39
It's impossible without regulation and secure and reliable exchanges.

Major investors will never put money through shady exchanges without a trusted third party.
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July 04, 2014, 01:30:02 AM
#38
I believe it, Bitcoin is heading up, those 10k will happen and probably before the next years July 4th, Happy days everyone !
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July 01, 2014, 11:29:08 PM
#37

We are not hitting 10k anytime soon, if ever.  Bitcoin will be replaced by another currency, should the technology continue to move forward.

Yes, replaced. Yes..

Because Joe Blow American gives a fuck how the technology works.

It's taken THIS long to even get 1/20 people to have even HEARD of Bitcoin and we have morons like you thinking it's all going to just disappear because VERICOIN or some other dumb shit pump and dump is released?

There's more to this shit than just technology. Stuff your NameCoins up your stupid asshole.

It's because people still believe bitcoin will act like myspace or netscape.

But they don't realize bitcoin does not work like that, there's way too much at stake in bitcoin.

One can simply just move from myspace to facebook, because it doesn't cost anything to register at myspace, and it doesn't take any effort and money to construct an infrastructure to have myspace work properly. However bitcoin requires money to buy into it and it requires infrastructure to work (it's worthless if shops don't accept it).

So bitcoin won't simply be replaced by some new altcoin, in fact, all altcoins are dying, even litecoin and dogecoin.

Go invest in overkillcoin all you want, bitcoin will be worth +$1 million within 5 years.

Bitcoin has the infrastructure in place to be a payment gateway. And the network effect is going mainstream.

As for other alt coin, most are dieing slowly as zimmah pointed out.
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July 01, 2014, 10:45:45 PM
#36
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July 01, 2014, 03:35:18 PM
#35
It's interesting to see how just a month ago, lots of outdoor were predicting $5000 in July, while now, many don't think it will ever hit that figure. I think we will break the ATH either this year or early 2015. Before a new ATH, there's no benefit in speculating if we'll hit $10k or not.
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