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Quote from: biskitop on February 07, 2019, 08:40:41 PM

who controls is, the user himself. if more people buy, the market will also go up. if many sell, then the market will also go down. because crypto is not controlled by an agency or government.

Yes, crypto is decentralized and no one controls it theoretically. But since the marketcap is almost 120 billion, few whales who have big amount of bitcoins can easily pump and dump the market and hence has indirectly control over it. As soon as bitcoin is distributed among many people, whales will lose control over it and then they cannot manipulate the market.

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Quote from: Irviyandi on February 04, 2019, 08:11:43 AM

In my opinion, the one who controls the market personally is the market actor, every transaction or exchange that is done will greatly affect the price of an item, and again if a market actor does not know ethics it will cause an item to have an uncertain price, can be cheap and can be expensive

maybe I can add. that the market itself is also very influential if indeed the number of transactions is very large. and certainly will have a very big effect

indeed with very large transactions can move the market. but that requires a lot of money. so it is true that the one who controls the market is the transaction itself.

Do you guys think that without people , transactions wont be possible ? Its the people that really moves the market . whales is also a kind of people ( they are either one or more people ) they make the main movement because they are more powerful than us regular individuals .

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Quote from: TelolettOm on February 07, 2019, 11:36:15 PM

Quote from: Irviyandi on February 04, 2019, 08:11:43 AM

In my opinion, the one who controls the market personally is the market actor, every transaction or exchange that is done will greatly affect the price of an item, and again if a market actor does not know ethics it will cause an item to have an uncertain price, can be cheap and can be expensive

maybe I can add. that the market itself is also very influential if indeed the number of transactions is very large. and certainly will have a very big effect

indeed with very large transactions can move the market. but that requires a lot of money. so it is true that the one who controls the market is the transaction itself.

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Quote from: slivver on October 01, 2018, 12:36:56 PM

Remember, this whole thing about crypto is largely decentralized, thus, there is no single authoritative body in control of the crypto market. Although there are few centralized platforms among crypto, the market is largely influenced by the efforts and influence of the users of crypto. How well sellers and buyers treat the coins on the market affect the performance of the market.

You already understand that everything can affect the market, especially the centralized platform, you can influence a small portion of the market if you have a small portion of the assets in the crypto market, then holders or users and even investors wich have large fund or asset can influence most markets, on the market crypto values are determined on demand.

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Quote from: Irviyandi on February 04, 2019, 08:11:43 AM

In my opinion, the one who controls the market personally is the market actor, every transaction or exchange that is done will greatly affect the price of an item, and again if a market actor does not know ethics it will cause an item to have an uncertain price, can be cheap and can be expensive

maybe I can add. that the market itself is also very influential if indeed the number of transactions is very large. and certainly will have a very big effect

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Quote from: reality18 on February 07, 2019, 09:58:27 PM

Quote from: tukagero on February 02, 2019, 07:53:19 PM

Whales and the government are controlling the market, if they want to crash the market they can do it or vice versa.

Who are the whales? Is this a mythical concept or they form a team or association with the intention to manipulate the market? To some extent, governments can do great harm to the market because the people look up to them but do not have absolute control over the market - the market is decentralized.

whales were association of investors that have huge money to make market crash.impossible if whales move by their own self.if finance market looked interesting for finance institution to generate profit they will try as much as possible to maket market crashing.so they take this benefits.

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Quote from: tukagero on February 02, 2019, 07:53:19 PM

Whales and the government are controlling the market, if they want to crash the market they can do it or vice versa.

Who are the whales? Is this a mythical concept or they form a team or association with the intention to manipulate the market? To some extent, governments can do great harm to the market because the people look up to them but do not have absolute control over the market - the market is decentralized.

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who controls is, the user himself. if more people buy, the market will also go up. if many sell, then the market will also go down. because crypto is not controlled by an agency or government.

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In my opinion, the one who controls the market personally is the market actor, every transaction or exchange that is done will greatly affect the price of an item, and again if a market actor does not know ethics it will cause an item to have an uncertain price, can be cheap and can be expensive

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Quote from: GrayFullbuster on February 03, 2019, 08:07:52 PM

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Quote from: apilpirman.bisnis on February 02, 2019, 10:44:59 PM

Seller and buyer is control how to make price altcoin or bitcoin on higher or lower, when many investor keep buy and invest money at bitcoin or altcoin price will be higher, but when many investor sell will be price of crypto drop.

It's not about the number of investors, but more likely the amount of money flowed in the market.
When one person who have at least 10% of the total supply made a dump, this will affect the market significantly, and this is something we don't wanna see.

These people who can affect the prices in the market are called whales. There are a lot of whales who are pumping and dumping different cryptocurrencies that making them more rich. They have a lot of coins that they can use in order to manipulate the price.

there are many market pariticipants in cryptocurrency market.and we should know and understand these, so we could understand in which position we are.as retail trader we should not againts the whales position.

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Quote from: mangsitin on February 03, 2019, 03:49:02 AM

Of course, investors are controlling the price of Bitcoin in the exchange market, because they trade every time, so prices tend to be unstable every second. So in my opinion the price is forever controlled by Investors

The term "Investors" is applicable for everyone and that's because everyone who's in the market spent money to invest buying bitcoin which means that we're all investors, yes that's correct.

And due to that, everyone creates demand and we're the one who has been influencing the price but we don't have total control for its fluctuation.

If so, then we have total control for fluctuations, because each investor will at one time sell and the same day there are investors who buy, therefore fluctuations continue to occur. So nobody really controls the market to remain stable, because even though the value looks like it is stagnant, if we pay more attention to it there are still fluctuations that occur at any time in a market.

Yep, no one really controls the market. It is as it is but we can't deny that thought if there's a market manipulation which happens most often.

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Quote from: mirakal on February 03, 2019, 03:00:08 AM

Quote from: apilpirman.bisnis on February 02, 2019, 10:44:59 PM

Seller and buyer is control how to make price altcoin or bitcoin on higher or lower, when many investor keep buy and invest money at bitcoin or altcoin price will be higher, but when many investor sell will be price of crypto drop.

It's not about the number of investors, but more likely the amount of money flowed in the market.
When one person who have at least 10% of the total supply made a dump, this will affect the market significantly, and this is something we don't wanna see.

These people who can affect the prices in the market are called whales. There are a lot of whales who are pumping and dumping different cryptocurrencies that making them more rich. They have a lot of coins that they can use in order to manipulate the price.

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I strongly believe that there is single individuals and authority that control the performance of bitcoin and crypto currency in general other than the forces of demand and supply of bitcoin and crypto currency at large.

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Quote from: hahay on February 03, 2019, 12:39:59 PM

Quote from: boyptc on February 03, 2019, 11:54:50 AM

Quote from: mangsitin on February 03, 2019, 03:49:02 AM

Of course, investors are controlling the price of Bitcoin in the exchange market, because they trade every time, so prices tend to be unstable every second. So in my opinion the price is forever controlled by Investors

The term "Investors" is applicable for everyone and that's because everyone who's in the market spent money to invest buying bitcoin which means that we're all investors, yes that's correct.

And due to that, everyone creates demand and we're the one who has been influencing the price but we don't have total control for its fluctuation.

If so, then we have total control for fluctuations, because each investor will at one time sell and the same day there are investors who buy, therefore fluctuations continue to occur. So nobody really controls the market to remain stable, because even though the value looks like it is stagnant, if we pay more attention to it there are still fluctuations that occur at any time in a market.

We is a big term here, we are the people who live across the world and each of us doing the different thing, while one is selling other is buying, setting up buy or sell order affect the market. But how many people is doing something is one thing, some people have more than others so their actions can have bigger effect. It`s like that when you have 24/7 market, something is always happening. Add to that miners, than exchanges, each of them and us contribute to the market, and nobody really controls it, you can affect it with your actions, but that`a all.

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Quote from: boyptc on February 03, 2019, 11:54:50 AM

Quote from: mangsitin on February 03, 2019, 03:49:02 AM

Of course, investors are controlling the price of Bitcoin in the exchange market, because they trade every time, so prices tend to be unstable every second. So in my opinion the price is forever controlled by Investors

The term "Investors" is applicable for everyone and that's because everyone who's in the market spent money to invest buying bitcoin which means that we're all investors, yes that's correct.

And due to that, everyone creates demand and we're the one who has been influencing the price but we don't have total control for its fluctuation.

If so, then we have total control for fluctuations, because each investor will at one time sell and the same day there are investors who buy, therefore fluctuations continue to occur. So nobody really controls the market to remain stable, because even though the value looks like it is stagnant, if we pay more attention to it there are still fluctuations that occur at any time in a market.

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Quote from: slivver on October 01, 2018, 12:36:56 PM

Remember, this whole thing about crypto is largely decentralized, thus, there is no single authoritative body in control of the crypto market. Although there are few centralized platforms among crypto, the market is largely influenced by the efforts and influence of the users of crypto. How well sellers and buyers treat the coins on the market affect the performance of the market.

Actually it doesn't matter if it is decentralized because some of the people are known to trade bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies in the decentralized market but they are posting it on their social media, The person that really need decentralization are those people called the whales of cryptocurrency. They have a big part in market trading.

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Quote from: slivver on October 01, 2018, 12:36:56 PM

Remember, this whole thing about crypto is largely decentralized, thus, there is no single authoritative body in control of the crypto market. Although there are few centralized platforms among crypto, the market is largely influenced by the efforts and influence of the users of crypto. How well sellers and buyers treat the coins on the market affect the performance of the market.

Theres this thing they say "whale", Im not so sure with this kind of people but surely they were a group people, some rich crypto enthusiasts I guess that sometimes deal to have a certain altcoins to get pump or dump, thats their way of controlling the crypto market and the course and flow of it for quite some time.

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Quote from: mangsitin on February 03, 2019, 03:49:02 AM

Of course, investors are controlling the price of Bitcoin in the exchange market, because they trade every time, so prices tend to be unstable every second. So in my opinion the price is forever controlled by Investors

The term "Investors" is applicable for everyone and that's because everyone who's in the market spent money to invest buying bitcoin which means that we're all investors, yes that's correct.

And due to that, everyone creates demand and we're the one who has been influencing the price but we don't have total control for its fluctuation.

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Quote from: boled on February 03, 2019, 07:13:55 AM

same as in the world of Fiat, those who have a lot of money are able to control prices in the market, many small players are hit and run, but in fact they are also stuck in prices, can be hit and can't run, some of them eventually become hodlers, but impatient make big cut-loss and loss decisions. while others believe too much in the idea of "investment" buying and storing it for a long time, the results can be extraordinary, it can also be a big loss, who knows.

this kind of industry is very different from the industry happening in Fiat, the one who controls the market here in crpyto is the one who has a very huge holdings in the market while in fiat the factors from economy counts. It is very broad that we need to be study economy for us to understand how the market reacts.

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same as in the world of Fiat, those who have a lot of money are able to control prices in the market, many small players are hit and run, but in fact they are also stuck in prices, can be hit and can't run, some of them eventually become hodlers, but impatient make big cut-loss and loss decisions. while others believe too much in the idea of "investment" buying and storing it for a long time, the results can be extraordinary, it can also be a big loss, who knows.

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