Who creates more impact in bitcoin price the Hodlers or Investors?

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Quote from: Accardo on January 14, 2022, 12:49:31 PM

The two main factors of bitcoin market hodlers and the investors sometimes I query myself about how much impact they have made in the price of bitcoin.

Note: The hodlers are early abductors of bitcoin that held their funds till date
The investors are the early abductors that sold and invested into their business then later invested their profits into bitcoin. E.g Michael Saylor or Elon Musk.

I think I can still say for a fact that Elon Musk was never an early adopter of Bitcoin from the beginning however I believe that even if Elon didn't invest in Bitcoin but because of his status, he will surely move the market as we saw with what happened to the market back then. However, I think the real people creating the impact in the market are the real Investors who keep buying and creating scarcity in the market and those traders with the shared power to also move the market prices.

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Quote from: Accardo on January 14, 2022, 12:49:31 PM

The two main factors of bitcoin market hodlers and the investors sometimes I query myself about how much impact they have made in the price of bitcoin.

Note: The hodlers are early abductors of bitcoin that held their funds till date
The investors are the early abductors that sold and invested into their business then later invested their profits into bitcoin. E.g Michael Saylor or Elon Musk.

Both hodlers and investor has great impart on price of bitcoin,without them buying and selling of bitcoin will not take place,those early abductors of bitcoin that held their fund till date are waiting for the right time to sell their fund, they can also be refer to as investor,they invested their bitcoin in order to make more profit,because keeping it without selling it will not benefit them, so to me hodlers and investors are the same,they are both doing business.

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Not to mention which one as both of them are having a huge impact on the market. With their existence and influence in the market, volatility comes more alive. Whether who is giving a huge impact in the market but can't just ignore how they could make the trend so crazy especially for the whales.

Holder- are investors
Investors - are holders

generally, they are just the same...

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I think investors and holders both have an important role in determining the price of bitcoin. It is very difficult to determine who will determine the price the most between the two of them.

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Quote from: Accardo on January 14, 2022, 12:49:31 PM

The two main factors of bitcoin market hodlers and the investors sometimes I query myself about how much impact they have made in the price of bitcoin.

Note: The hodlers are early abductors of bitcoin that held their funds till date
The investors are the early abductors that sold and invested into their business then later invested their profits into bitcoin. E.g Michael Saylor or Elon Musk.

There is nothing to choose because both brings impact , without Holders market will not stand strong like what it does in bearish market, and also without investors market will also subside and keeps falling all the time.
so the thing here is both are helping the market and bringing impact , what i wanna choose is nothing but both because I myself is a Holder and also investor so i know where i stand and knows what i do .

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I personally think that everyone has their impact on bitcoin price whether it be holders, investors or traders.

Holders are creating a long term impact and creating a stable growth in bitcoin price every year.
Investors are basically buying and selling over long time period and effects the bigger support and resistance levels.
Traders are buying and selling over short and mid term intervals and usually are the ones due to which sudden price movements occur.

So even if a person buys and holds it or sells it creates an impact on bitcoin price in one way or the other.

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I guess there's no difference at all, the investors are the holder too they are the ones who bought and held their assets. At some point, it depends on the investor if they are going to hold for a short term or long term investment because we know the market is volatile some of them want to secure their assets and sell before the price dumps again, if you are a long term of course neglect the price action just keep it hold and wait for the designated profit you want.

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When did Elon get into the picture that makes him an Earl adopter! Am sure there are others that will fit in this profile, I don't think the holders and investors explanation given represent the picture well,
An investor who bought and hodl however long is still considered a holder until he decided to sell, let's say holders and traders explain this scenario well,
Investors or holders create more price impact than day traders because traders will take profit at any slight percentage up unlike holders who will hold firm for the price to go high.

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I think you can just mathematically calculate who exactly influences more. But I think that both of these groups influence the market in their own way. The first part of those who hold bitcoin and do not use it in any way - their "silence" in the market gives some signals to active players (the second group). Those who actively trade, perhaps only because of their own activity, can "more" influence the market by creating supply and demand there, thereby forming the price and trading volume. I'm still more inclined to believe that those who do something have more influence.

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Quote from: sarmrakib on February 01, 2022, 09:33:20 AM

Its really made some confusion when i was reading .Actually both are the same .Investor just invest on it and if he/she hold the fund he/she will be the holder .So what make the sense of it that both are the same .Its true that actually it makes impact on the price to go through the volatile .I think he who invest on btc he will be investor and can play a single role on the market where price can ups or down .However one more thing what i wanna make clear that the news also can make a huge impact their to help to the investor to push him/her invest on the current market and hold until goes up .So that it is make more impact to the market .

To play a single role? But, is that even possible? You're saying that you will only buy and buy more forever? I think that makes no sense, also the same when you hodl, are you only going to hodl forever and wont do any other actions? But all of us here are think have a duality when it comes to roles.

We buy when there is a dip and then we sell once there is a pump, as simple as that and for the news. News does not only motivate someone to buy and hodl more but it can also makes them worried and can make them sell. Do not forget that there are bad news too in cryptos and not just pure good news only. It is not important to know if who makes the most impact because of all us here can benefit from each other.

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Quote from: Accardo on January 14, 2022, 12:49:31 PM

The two main factors of bitcoin market hodlers and the investors sometimes I query myself about how much impact they have made in the price of bitcoin.

Note: The hodlers are early abductors of bitcoin that held their funds till date
The investors are the early abductors that sold and invested into their business then later invested their profits into bitcoin. E.g Michael Saylor or Elon Musk.

Hodlers are also an investors, the are the same. The only difference if the investors just hold for short term or choose to hold for long terms. Investors not just a holder but also the buyer and seller which give a higher impact in the market. Once the hodlers have a huge number of bitcoin on their wallet, of course it will help the value of bitcoin at a higher level. If short term holders/investors sell a huge amount of bitcoin, of course the value of bitcoin will drop, but I think not too much. So, the impact in bitcoin price is still depend on the demand and supply in the market.

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Quote from: Accardo on January 14, 2022, 12:49:31 PM

The two main factors of bitcoin market hodlers and the investors sometimes I query myself about how much impact they have made in the price of bitcoin.

Note: The hodlers are early abductors of bitcoin that held their funds till date
The investors are the early abductors that sold and invested into their business then later invested their profits into bitcoin. E.g Michael Saylor or Elon Musk.

I think you have mixed both the holders and the investors. Holders are not only those who held bitcoin in the early years when bitcoin was created. Even if anyone buys bitcoin now with the intention to buy are holders. And same goes for the investments. I don't see any difference between holders and investors.
Yes, you can differentiate between traders and Holders/Investors but not between holders and investors.

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Quote from: dataispower on January 14, 2022, 02:02:59 PM

You are putting yourself into confusion, because their is no difference between the hodlers and the investors, if you understand what is hodlers and investor it will be very simple for you to differentiate them with common sense, mate both are the same thing, and is the same function bith pertake in bitcoin, a hodler is an investor because is hodling it for it to have profit, we are not making any differentiation about them usual

Its really made some confusion when i was reading .Actually both are the same .Investor just invest on it and if he/she hold the fund he/she will be the holder .So what make the sense of it that both are the same .Its true that actually it makes impact on the price to go through the volatile .I think he who invest on btc he will be investor and can play a single role on the market where price can ups or down .However one more thing what i wanna make clear that the news also can make a huge impact their to help to the investor to push him/her invest on the current market and hold until goes up .So that it is make more impact to the market .

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Quote from: yazher on January 26, 2022, 08:42:39 PM

I think those who invest then promoted their investment through tweeting what they have done and frequently talking about it to the public. In this case, other influencers will also follow their lead and common folks will have no doubt anymore since big names and companies are already involved. This is one of the reasons why we had the spike in the price last year because one after another they announced their investment in bitcoins and some other country are also planning what El Salvador has done.

Both holders and investors will have a large impact on the price of Bitcoin, if they promote to the public and invest in large amounts of Bitcoin.
As Tesla and El Salvador did when deciding to invest in Bitcoin, make Bitcoin price increase very high in 2021. Because this will trigger FOMO,
many people end up buying Bitcoin. If Tesla or El Salvador invested in Bitcoin secretly the impact would not be large. Now it's actually social media
that can make anything big, so indeed if a lot of people talk about and promote Bitcoin on social media it will have a big impact on the price of Bitcoin.

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Quote from: dbc23 on January 26, 2022, 04:38:18 PM

For you to hold you must have invested you can't hold what you don't have in your possession so both category belongs to the same set of people and it takes collective efforts of everyone in the Bitcoin network to influence the price rate. Market price is typically moved by the whales because the have the huge funds to either ass value or depreciate the value of any coin.

Aside from that, I don't agree that Elon Musk is early adopter (but the OP here used the word abductor). As others have stated, the more appropriate comparison is hodlers vs traders. At the current bitcoin price, the influence is coming of course from the traders along with other factors such as supply and demand, competition or regulation. Those who are holding have somewhat influence when it comes to the supply and demand factor. Because if they are holding, it means, the supply in the market will not increase. But in this scenario, we can't quantify their impact in the market. This is hard to evaluate as bitcoin's price is determined by many factors without defined percentage of influence in the market.

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The question is not accurate. Hodlers are investors but it seems they are not in the question. I think the question should be edited to "Who creates more impact in Bitcoin between hodlers and traders?"

Traders are not holders or holders. They are not investors. Unacceptable fact for traders, there are more successful investors then successful traders. Bitcoin hodlers are most successful entities on the market, they are more likely whales so that they will have more impactful power on the market as well.

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Keep in mind, the holder could dump the market anytime, can't pump. Do you know why? Holder could increase selling pressure, they couldn't increase buying pressure anyway. Though holders help indirectly to keep the market stable. On the other hand, new investors keep a direct role in the Bitcoin price bumps. Whether we know or are unaware of that, buying pressure will increase automatically when investors intend to take entry. We know as much as buy pressure increases, the price would be increasing as well. Yea, both are important for increasing price, because if holders release Bitcoin then it will be hard to pump price even investors take entry.

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The holders do not impact bitcoin price because they do not even tell the public if they have bitcoin and even if they sell bitcoin, they will do that secretly.
The investors impacted bitcoin, but not all of them do that because some of them hold bitcoin for some time frame.
The news can impact Bitcoin price because when the news is released, it could directly or indirectly impact bitcoin price, depending on how many people are not getting the impact from the news.
The news then some people who become whistleblower can impact in bitcoin price.

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I think those who invest then promoted their investment through tweeting what they have done and frequently talking about it to the public. In this case, other influencers will also follow their lead and common folks will have no doubt anymore since big names and companies are already involved. This is one of the reasons why we had the spike in the price last year because one after another they announced their investment in bitcoins and some other country are also planning what El Salvador has done.

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Quote from: Accardo on January 14, 2022, 12:49:31 PM

The two main factors of bitcoin market hodlers and the investors sometimes I query myself about how much impact they have made in the price of bitcoin.

Note: The hodlers are early abductors of bitcoin that held their funds till date
The investors are the early abductors that sold and invested into their business then later invested their profits into bitcoin. E.g Michael Saylor or Elon Musk.

If one of them is manipulating the market, then one of them is having a huge influence on the price but there is none, they can be both of the same influence on the market trend. Investors are also Holders, even trading can be also considered as holders(sometimes). They have different market plays, buying, holding... all the time the market price moves, not just because all people are holding nor they are buying but as these people went so active, up and down is most likely what we see.

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