Topic: Who creates more impact in bitcoin price the Hodlers or Investors? - page 2. (Read 550 times)
January 26, 2022, 05:38:18 PM
For you to hold you must have invested you can't hold what you don't have in your possession so both category belongs to the same set of people and it takes collective efforts of everyone in the Bitcoin network to influence the price rate. Market price is typically moved by the whales because the have the huge funds to either ass value or depreciate the value of any coin.
January 26, 2022, 04:57:04 PM
Wait… Hodler and Investor??? Isn’t these two the same thing? When you say A Hodler, you’re still referring to someone who is an investor, the right way to say this would have been between long term and short term investors or day traders, in which case I would say that the both of them makes impact in the market.
It doesn’t matter whether you’re a long term (Hodler) or a short term (day trader) investor, in one way or the other you’re contributing to the market. We need long term investors would invest in the market and keep it solid, and we also need the day traders to increase the volume of activities in the market.
These two things are different even though they have the same goal. Holders are much stricter about their desires and to stay afloat in any situation that hits the market, while day traders [what you call short term investors] are only concerned with short term fluctuations to their advantage. Both have different roles in this situation, but have the same meaning in the final achievement.It doesn’t matter whether you’re a long term (Hodler) or a short term (day trader) investor, in one way or the other you’re contributing to the market. We need long term investors would invest in the market and keep it solid, and we also need the day traders to increase the volume of activities in the market.
Fluctuations are caused by supply and demand occurring among the traders in the market. A big impact can be created by the occasional increase in demand that large investors are accustomed to regardless of whether they are long-term holders or simply taking advantage of short-term fluctuations to make a profit. CMIW
January 26, 2022, 04:40:07 PM
Wait… Hodler and Investor??? Isn’t these two the same thing? When you say A Hodler, you’re still referring to someone who is an investor, the right way to say this would have been between long term and short term investors or day traders, in which case I would say that the both of them makes impact in the market.
It doesn’t matter whether you’re a long term (Hodler) or a short term (day trader) investor, in one way or the other you’re contributing to the market. We need long term investors would invest in the market and keep it solid, and we also need the day traders to increase the volume of activities in the market.
It doesn’t matter whether you’re a long term (Hodler) or a short term (day trader) investor, in one way or the other you’re contributing to the market. We need long term investors would invest in the market and keep it solid, and we also need the day traders to increase the volume of activities in the market.
January 26, 2022, 06:04:03 AM
Holding is hard and many people have sold their coins by the time btc hits all time high. The market is compose now mostly of investors, they can be old ex hodlers that re invest or simple people that are new to bitcoin. investors may compose of popular personalities like Elon Musk which can influence the market too much by their huge wealth and popularity.
Funny enough if we are look at this from both sides we would see that they are both contributing in one way or the other, just that some wants to hold for a long time and others wants to hold it for a short term.But at the end, they are making impacts right? Without these investors that they have mentioned, the market wouldn’t be as volatile as it is for us to be able to make huge profit from it, it might even get boring and some of us would be bored to death lol. So, we need them to freshen up things a little while. And moreover those of us that are Hodlers wants to make that profit right? that’s it.
January 25, 2022, 02:10:02 PM
The two main factors of bitcoin market hodlers and the investors sometimes I query myself about how much impact they have made in the price of bitcoin.
Note: The hodlers are early abductors of bitcoin that held their funds till date
The investors are the early abductors that sold and invested into their business then later invested their profits into bitcoin. E.g Michael Saylor or Elon Musk.
Holding is hard and many people have sold their coins by the time btc hits all time high. The market is compose now mostly of investors, they can be old ex hodlers that re invest or simple people that are new to bitcoin. investors may compose of popular personalities like Elon Musk which can influence the market too much by their huge wealth and popularity.Note: The hodlers are early abductors of bitcoin that held their funds till date
The investors are the early abductors that sold and invested into their business then later invested their profits into bitcoin. E.g Michael Saylor or Elon Musk.
This creates a massive buy and self off but at the end of the day, the price still returns and the price still didnt dump that much, thanks to the powerful hands of hodlers. So yeah, hodlers have a bigger impact than the investors. Hope you are fine now, that your question have been finally answered.
January 24, 2022, 07:34:52 PM
What's the difference? Both set of people are both "hodlers" and investors at the same time. The only small difference is that investors sometimes sell; maybe to re-balance his/her portfolio when he/she ends up being over-exposed with BTC. But you could also say the same with "hodlers", whereas they may sell when they suddenly need extra money.
In summary: no category is better than the other, knowing that not every hodler and not every investor is the same, and it's pretty much a 90-95% overlap.
And even if there was some kind of fundamental difference that allowed us to separate the two, does it matter who has the most influence when it comes to the price of bitcoin? What can we do with that information in the case one of those groups had more influence? At the end of the day it is one of those things that while interesting is not going to change anything even if we knew the answer, so I do not see too much of a point to think about it. In summary: no category is better than the other, knowing that not every hodler and not every investor is the same, and it's pretty much a 90-95% overlap.
January 24, 2022, 04:39:51 PM
Investors and Holders have different purpose and varied approach about the market. Investors were much focused on long term profiting. This means investors were the one to make more impact over the market than holders. Holders in my opinion were the backing people who enjoy growth out of the investors. The investors always push the market. Investors take the profit and reinvest. This keeps them into balance.
Holders have the target infront of them. This way the market won't get disturbed much, because whether it is bearish or bullish the holders won't move the funds. This means the market won't be disturbed by them out of panic.
I agree on you. Although hodlers are also investors in the first place, but they chose to make less movements in crypto since they are more on long term hodling. While investors on the other hand, they give more impact to the market since they are more on buying and selling coins so they will end up with good amount of profits. But both of them aims for the same target, to make good profits. Its just that one chooses to be in a low risk by simply hodling their coins while investing, buying and selling has certainly higher risks. Holders have the target infront of them. This way the market won't get disturbed much, because whether it is bearish or bullish the holders won't move the funds. This means the market won't be disturbed by them out of panic.
January 24, 2022, 01:46:31 PM
Investors and Holders have different purpose and varied approach about the market. Investors were much focused on long term profiting. This means investors were the one to make more impact over the market than holders. Holders in my opinion were the backing people who enjoy growth out of the investors. The investors always push the market. Investors take the profit and reinvest. This keeps them into balance.
Holders have the target infront of them. This way the market won't get disturbed much, because whether it is bearish or bullish the holders won't move the funds. This means the market won't be disturbed by them out of panic.
Holders have the target infront of them. This way the market won't get disturbed much, because whether it is bearish or bullish the holders won't move the funds. This means the market won't be disturbed by them out of panic.
January 24, 2022, 01:25:23 PM
Investor and holder make the BTC market, i Think small investor or trader beside the part of market. Bitcoin price more dip right now, few week ago bitcoin price was around $46k+ but now it $34k+.Bitcoin price will be increase and recover Again. I hope real holder don't be painc and don't sel their holding coin i think bitcoin price will be more rise in 2022.
January 23, 2022, 10:19:40 PM
Well I think that both Hodlers and traders and investors make the market in BTC, even small investors who are just getting in do their part, it is difficult to say that a Hodler can be an institution, because there are people who have so much money in their hands who do not know what to spend it on, even when they do not have any type of financial education there are people who handle very large amounts, I have seen some credit cards that never in my life had I imagined that they have such amounts, and I think those are the most potential to buy and sell BTC, it already depends on that conglomerate of people who can move the market even a little bit.
January 15, 2022, 11:58:14 AM
I doubt that there is a difference between HODLERS and INVESTORS.
I know "hodlers" and I know investors. The main difference to me? The former actually have sole access to private keys, and have most likely in the past used Bitcoin (to buy or pay for stuff) or continue to do so on occasion. The latter probably only have some form of Bitcoin derivative (a stock or pegged-asset or whatever or an account on some platform that says they have Bitcoin but doesn't give them actual access or control).
Investors probably have more market impact short term. Holders, as users, contribute to long term value.
My couple of satoshis, anyway.
January 15, 2022, 11:21:40 AM
I think that what creates a price impact on bitcoin is the holders who want their goals to be achieved (meaning the target of releasing btc at a high price) with the support of new investors who want to own bitcoin, thus creating a new and high price on bitcoin itself
the point between the holder and the investor is that they both control the value of the btc price (in my opinion)
the point between the holder and the investor is that they both control the value of the btc price (in my opinion)
January 15, 2022, 09:22:51 AM
I would argue that the HODL investor don't impact the bitcoin that much, it's mostly the other type of investors that influence the price. A real HODL strategy is not selling coins into a bear market, so there is no further downward pressure from them. This is a good thing and helps to retain some form of stability. On the other side when we are in a rally HODL strategy is also not selling. It just means that there are less bitcoins available to be traded. This also means that the other investors who actively trade their coins have a larger impact on the overall price.
Well for me hodlers and investors both affect the price of bitcoin but when we were going to weight which one really creates more impact are those active investors. But when we will think the factor if the hodlers is a whale then this is where
He/she would going to contribute an impact to the price. They only differ from the time they would going to make an impact to the price but let's expect once a hodlers release its asset this will definitely contribute a bug difference.
January 15, 2022, 08:46:26 AM
I would argue that the HODL investor don't impact the bitcoin that much, it's mostly the other type of investors that influence the price. A real HODL strategy is not selling coins into a bear market, so there is no further downward pressure from them. This is a good thing and helps to retain some form of stability. On the other side when we are in a rally HODL strategy is also not selling. It just means that there are less bitcoins available to be traded. This also means that the other investors who actively trade their coins have a larger impact on the overall price.
January 15, 2022, 08:37:36 AM
The op's terminology is confusing to me. If we take into account early adopters that have been hodling for 5+ years without any movement of funds, I think it's safe to say they don't affect the market. But investors, according to the op, are also early adopters but those who sold BTC (at that time I'd say they contributed to declining prices) and then bought it again (contributing to the growth of prices). Both categories clearly miss traders, panic sellers and short-term investors who all, IMO, affect the price much more of a daily basis. If someone like Musk announces investment into Bitcoin, it causes a temporary increase of value, but daily changes soon create a correction, so it's people (or entities) who sell and buy fairly often that create the most impact, I believe.
January 15, 2022, 08:11:57 AM
What's the motive of investing is it not to hold I guess so which means both are the same sets of market players just that the entered the market at different time interval but the do the same thing to the price of Bitcoin. I was thinking you would rather ask between investors and influencers who moves the price more or better still you could still ask between minial investors and whales who move the market more
January 15, 2022, 08:03:02 AM
The two main factors of bitcoin market hodlers and the investors sometimes I query myself about how much impact they have made in the price of bitcoin.
Note: The hodlers are early abductors of bitcoin that held their funds till date
The investors are the early abductors that sold and invested into their business then later invested their profits into bitcoin. E.g Michael Saylor or Elon Musk.
Note: The hodlers are early abductors of bitcoin that held their funds till date
The investors are the early abductors that sold and invested into their business then later invested their profits into bitcoin. E.g Michael Saylor or Elon Musk.
I doubt that there is a difference between HODLERS and INVESTORS.
In the former, you may also call them as investors since they prefer to HODL their BTCs until a desirable price has been reached (which is purely dependent upon them). On the other hand, investors are the ones who purchase BTCs either for short or long-term gain. Generally speaking, there is little-to-no difference between the two. The small gap that they may differ is that investors may prefer to trade their BTCs depending on the price.
January 15, 2022, 07:59:37 AM
TBH, its really hard to know which has more impact with the Bitcoin price.
Hodlers can also be investors and investors can also be hodlers.
Hodlers are affecting the price by holding some Bitcoins reducing the supply and when the demand is increasing or at least the same then price will increase. Investors on the other hand affects the price by buying and selling Bitcoin.
Hodlers can also be investors and investors can also be hodlers.
Hodlers are affecting the price by holding some Bitcoins reducing the supply and when the demand is increasing or at least the same then price will increase. Investors on the other hand affects the price by buying and selling Bitcoin.
Both of those choices are still investors and its just they have different methods on how they take actions towards on what they bought and we can say that both of them is important since hodler is adding the demand but doesn't contribute with the dumping happened and also the short term investors can also add the demand but in short term basis only. But any if this we cannot say someone do better or not since at the end for sure both of them is a lucky earner.
January 15, 2022, 07:19:55 AM
Investors - buy - price go up on demand.
Investors - buy - the price goes up on demand- hold - the price fluctuation occurs.
The above scenario keeps happening in the market and causes price fluctuations. The supply and demand process will always influence the price of bitcoin and we don't really believe who has the biggest impact on the market. A holder is someone who has bought and kept an asset, without trading activity they would not affect the market at least they don't get the market down by big sellers.
Of course it's very obvious that fluctuations of cryptocurrencies generally and importantly Bitcoin, the values of it price comes to acceleration through the gravitation of demands and supply, which we known openly that bitcoin surplus demands with insufficient supply, the ends product of it, is increment in bitcoin price.Investors - buy - the price goes up on demand- hold - the price fluctuation occurs.
The above scenario keeps happening in the market and causes price fluctuations. The supply and demand process will always influence the price of bitcoin and we don't really believe who has the biggest impact on the market. A holder is someone who has bought and kept an asset, without trading activity they would not affect the market at least they don't get the market down by big sellers.
So from the point...who is the investor and who is the holder? Am investor can be the demand and also be holder at a time, we are contradictory everything, if we peruse into these very well and read meaning into it, both above names is involved into bitcoin price skyrocket and they are one.
January 15, 2022, 07:17:55 AM
It’s just such investors as Elon Musk who have the maximum influence on the position of the cryptocurrency market, because we all remember his originally written tweets, when Bitcoin immediately went up, and he wrote this for his own benefit, in principle he did the right thing, earns on his name and brand.
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