Topic: Who else sold out? - page 3. (Read 6720 times)

My buy orders look like:
x at $8
2x at $4
4x at $2
8x at $1

That way I can take advantage of the price drop, no matter how low it goes.

Bitcoin isn't going anywhere it's just taken a beating recently but everything has to go through these type of phases!

I've sold most of my BTC.  I still have a few.  I'm also considering taking any mention of BTC off my websites...soon...

I think it's helpful to remember that Bitcoin is an entirely new form of "money" or whatever you want to call it.  We are pioneers conducting a grand experiment to see if a viable economy can be sustained with a pseudo-anonymous, peer-to-peer currency.  I for one think what we are doing is very important, and I'm more than willing to risk the time and money in order to potentially have an economy free of centralized interference. 

In response to the OP's question, I continue to hold onto 50% of all Bitcoins that I mine and exchange the other 50% at the prevailing market rate.  I've recovered the cost of my mining equipment, and I have no need to cash out the remaining coins I hold. 

Not exactly.

With anoymity and zero regulation the scumbags that did not manage to get into the government try to attack you.

With regulations you have institunialized scams and theft.

At least without regulation you can defend yourself.

Price is still up significantly compared to where it was in the months before June.

I haven't sold anything and I won't sell anything until prices look good for me. I'm still long. (Years instead of weeks or months) If it doesn't increase in price that's fine, I don't have a whole lot invested, but I'd rather see it through than sell out now.

Why?  Using that analogy you should dump your dollars and get out of them too.  Cash can be stolen.  Bad people can use it.  Same with bitcoins. 

Then again... if the price is dropping by 50% because of someone offloading thousands of stolen bitcoins then yeah people should be crying foul and getting the fuck out, no matter how cool the idea is.

I know.  But it isn't that either. Speculation is the word.

It's more like buying up lots of pork bellies in the hope they will increase in price because the world population is rising and there are a lot of hungry people.

I'm not ignoring it. I'm just sick and tired of people crying wolf every time the price drops, as if the project is dying. This is not like a company stock. More like a commodity that is mass-produced in large quantities.

The only difference with traditional commodities such as metals is that bitcoins are produced at a fixed rate (of 300 per hour), independent of the number of producers.

Yup, I'm agreeing with you there... my point was that I think a lot of people just thought that Bitcoin would prevent the government/regulations from sticking it's filthy hands in the pot, and that that would magically fix everything. I think that's where a lot of the desperation is coming from at the moment, and I'm personally feeling that that's probably playing a part in the price.

I still wholeheartedly believe in it to the extent I ever did - a novel payments system whose participation is entirely voluntary. I suppose I did to an extent get caught up in the investment thing when it looked like it was going skyward - it was awful tough to actually part with any at that time. When I saw the top around $32, I came to my senses - played the market a bit while it was fun, then went back to buying things with it.

Now I don't particularly pay too much attention to the price - if I'm trying to decide if I want to buy something, I look at the price in Bitcoins, and I figure out how long it will take my GPU to mine that much, and work out if it's worth it in my head. The only way I pay attention to price when I'm working out if I'm losing money on electricity by mining them. In no way is Bitcoin disappointing to me when I look at it that way.

Excuse me, that is what I meant. My apologies.


Investment =/= get rich quick.
Investment is the EXACT opposite. It's putting money into something, in hopes of getting a profit in the FUTURE.

in·vest·mentNoun/inˈves(t)mənt/
1. The action or process of investing money for profit or material result.
2. A thing that is worth buying because it may be profitable or useful in the future.

What do you mean "it is a payment system"? How is that an argument against BTC being an investment vehicle? Any currency that is currently being used as a "payment system" has investments behind it. People invest in USD and EUR for example every day as much as people invest in stocks. Both USD and EUR are payment systems and always have been considered that.

Just because BTC was created as an anonymous currency system does not change the fact that it is a currency and that people invest in currency. You cannot ignore it, especially when people are doing good with it.

The price of bitcoins hasn't been doing too good over the past 3 months. The project itself is doing fine.

Know that a lot of coins are being produced at the moment, so taking into account the laws of supply and demand it somehow makes sense that the price is going down.

(then again, the price is back to apr-june prices around $8, which isn't that bad... there just was an unreasonable hype)

There are people saying that in any community. Yes, the number of anarcho-capitalists, libertarians and conservative-right here is more than average, but there is nothing in the bitcoin source itself that hates governments and regulations. If you know who you do business with, you can sue them if they wrong you, whatever currency you use.

Trust is a very fickle issue, both on and off the internet, nothing will magically solve that.

I think a lot of people's expectations were overblown. I've seen at least two people put forth the argument that the government and regulations are what's causing people to be ripped off, and if only those two things would piss off then everyone would conduct business amicably.

Bitcoin's proven, emphatically, the opposite: that given anonymity and zero regulation, the scumbags come out of the woodwork.

Bitcoins haven't been doing too good over the past 3 months or so.

Doesn't mean I'm going to stop. These things happen, it's completely normal for a currency. In fact, one should've expected this when you put your feet in the Bitcoin water. It goes with the territory and shouldn't be something not expected to happen.

Also, for those saying you care more about now than profiting in the future, then you are defeating the definition of investing. And that is what bitcoins are about or any other currency related market. Hell, I find Bitcoins to be more in relation to stocks than currency because it's easier to explain. You don't invest in stocks and expect an instant payout unless you know something other people don't.

I plan on continuing to invest and mine even more than ever. Hell, I'm tempted to go on mtgox right now and buy $200 more worth of bitcoin because it's low. Also, winter is coming so mining is going to be popular too. I'd be mining as much as I can right now but I'm stuck in a college dorm room that is a sauna even with just my laptop yet alone my 6990 rig turned out (not mining mind you).

Bitcoin is still considered fairly new. I look at it as if its in the beta stage if anything. Hell, in my eyes, it just came out of alpha. We're not even at a stable release yet to make any concrete judgement. My two cents.


How is it not an investment vehicle?
Just because a particular market crashes, ie the economic crisis, doesn't mean that the market in question was never an "investment vehicle." It proves the opposite, it IS an investment. A market that is invested in has the potential of crashing, therefore if a market crashes the market must be an invested one. Every market out there in existence is an investment vehicle as every market out there has the potential of crashing. Just because it does crash doesn't mean it no longer can be considered a market or never was which is what I think you're claiming.

Bitcoin consists of people buying, selling, or mining bitcoin. USD or any other currency consists of people buying, selling, or working for USD. Stocks consist of people buying, selling, or creating stocks. It's all in the same boat. Investment. Whether you invest in the work behind any of the 3, or buying/selling for any of the 3.

Yeah that was also my point -- the social aspect hasn't changed either in the two years since the beginning of the project.

People are still new to cryptocurrencies, their advantages, disadvantages, dangers, and so on. There isn't even legal precedent for them yet. These are the very early stages. Way too early to "lose faith" unless your expectations were way overblown.

My chief objection to your last statement is that much of what we've learned, we only had to re-learn it because we disregarded the learnings of the last few centuries of economics.

Things like banks making loans, with no collateral to mostly-anonymous parties in a currency that has "non recoverable" as one of it's drawing points is fraught with fraud? Whodathunkit?

The really exciting part is the inflation/deflation part of things, which we're not truly going to get to the meat-and-potatoes (zero inflation, ever) of for a long while to come yet. The predictable inflation thing is still there now and is still interesting, but the results are mostly predictable.

So it's not really that interesting from an economics standpoint, I think (except watching the people who are convinced it'll be different this time come to the soul-crushing realization it won't be) but it certainly is from a social standpoint. A currency that exists solely based on voluntary participation and still has a functioning (though tiny) market is kind of cool regardless of what happens.

John Smith: Nothing's changed technically, it's the social aspect surrounding it. Bitcoin's "technically perfect", except in the sense that it's mostly expecting people to be perfect. In that sense, there's still a lot of work to be done.

Why would anyone "lose faith"? What has changed, that made you have "faith" months ago, but not now anymore?

Very little has changed technically; if anything, the client code was improved, the block chain is somewhat longer, and a lot of transactions have been successfully handled.

However, it still isn't an investment vehicle. There is a large difference between having faith in bitcoin as technology and faith that the price will increase indefinitely. If the economic crisis taught us anything, it's that the second is certainly not true (for anything) and if that causes you to "sell out" that's a wise choice.

+1.  This is why I'm still here.  I want to see where this goes.

I'm still mining, even though it's only roughly breaking even for me, and even though I'm just selling off the proceeds.  I'm not willing to put fiat currency into the system right now (for the reasons I've mentioned before), but I don't withdraw my fiat either, and I trade back to BTC whenever I want to use it.

Even if BC doesn't succeed in the long run, we are pioneering a new economy.  The next system will benefit from what we've learned.

I just consider this an interesting experiment. a bit raw and loose, might make a few bucks, might loose em, but entertaining all the way.

I should add this: I also run folding@home, and that rig draws 650 watts and has no tangible (to me at this moment) reward. just the warm fuzzies that Im helping advance medical research. might help me personally in the future, maybe not.

now, bitcoins have made me a couple hundred bucks (after power costs) but has not quite paid for what Ive put into it.
but I also have to consider Im contributing to an economics  (probably a better term can be used here) and, to a point, social experiment. that in itself is worth taking part of.

so, making money or not Ill be part of this for a while. I try to stash 1/3 of my coins in an offline wallet (just in case it takes off big time), and spread the rest around.

I've pretty much been spending what I mine/earn as soon as something comes up that I want and can afford lately. I'm much more interested in what it can get me now than how rich it could possibly make me sometime in the future.