Topic: Who exactly told theymos to change the threshold to 250 cycled merits? - page 2. (Read 1601 times)

I had to unignore CH in order to report the repetitive bullshit to moderators... this was received about as well as you would expect but might be a better long-term strategy to reign the troll in.

try to focus on the more important points rather than thrashing around looking for some minor irrelevant reason to post more net negative crap.... 4 years will do whatever activity you find that to be this is a general proposal ,  now if you can waste time working on a specific detail eg 1496 activity for example that can be adjusted to be 4 years or whatever is decided a long enough penalty then knock yourself out. I am in the sun typing between chapters of my book i don't have time for the non important minute stuff right now. Pathetic little twerp.

@lfc bitcoin

spam your sig elsewhere it hurts my eyes

make a rebuttal or just confess you can not and stfu.

When do we stop responding to cryptohunter’s walls of repetitive bull shit?

How about I propose a great new feature for the forum - Let’s all put him/her on ignore then he/she might either go away or at least start to post normally instead of going on & on & on & on about DT & decisions made by figures of authority here.

 

This sums it up quite nicely. You don't know what "activity" is, you won't spend 5 minutes trying to figure it out, but you'll post walls after walls of text arguing for 2000+ activity simply because you got that much.

You might as well argue that to be in a "key position" (you still haven't explained what that is) one needs to have "crypto" in their username and more than 13424 posts.

This is a facts based post feel free to research it all yourself and let me know if you feel any of it is not correct.

We as yet have no definition of "useful post" of course if we can start making sure MERIT goes to net positive posts (which I attempted to start helping to initiate with the "what makes defines a net positive post " thread. That would be excellent and a real meritocracy could develop here. Although even good posts do not = trust in a financial sense to me anyway. I expect the very best and most dangerous scammers can present themselves very well here and make great posts far exceeding many honest members who will get a lot less merit even in a true meritocracy.

Activity is again useful for nothing really other than

1. a minimum measure of time to reach it
2. a minimum amount of activity within that time frame.

we must not apply any other meaning to it really. Time/activity though is an important factor in trust if we don't have direct trading experience with the person or can be sure they have conducted real trades with others.

I am not sure what 1500 or 2000 activity is possible in with optimal activity (minimal activity) perhaps 4 years. So let's just say that is true.

1. 4 years of history to examine
2. 4 years minimum to recover to that level if you get blacklisted for misuse of DT also will need to get the 100 earned merits all over again. I mean you could add another requirement saying hero and legends only for a greater penalty if you think you can bot to high activity and get some merit abuse to get to 100. Therefore the real earned merit once you get blacklisted to recover is going to be a LONG ROAD AHEAD.

100 earned merits (unless you are here cycling it on meta on the merit-merry-go-round is not something that is that easy. Some excellent members and FAR smarter members here have only 30 earned merits than 95% of all the top 200 merit holders. Also many of those have had far larger sums of money under their control and never scammed and always appeared squeaky clean. If they are part of alt communities or from the alt board at all then 100 earned merits  is likely to be worth x10 x20 x30 more than on meta board.

Also we are not saying who can be on DT we are saying who can hold the key nomination positions for DT. So others can be on the DT system anyway if nominated by them and meet the other threshold votes.

More persons or many more unconnected persons make it harder to collude and make it a fairer system. You do not want persons that all share the same merit circle and same political views with regard the board who are all familiar with each other and all posting to back each other up at any time one is singled out for legitimate criticism  -- who will not even look at a proven lie and admit it is a lie. Groups within those few  that have been implicated in the SAME SCAMS AND SCHEMES  working together...You could not really come up with a bunch that observably collude more that have more dirt on them than large swathes of DT1. To call it a decentralised TRUST system at this stage is quite strange and almost ironic. It's like anti trust system or anti christ system actually. Their main justification is they stop "other" scammers. Well fine but be nice to have it decentralised with some that are not proven liars,abusers of trust and greedy sneaky sock puppets shilling - - let's have a bunch of people that are totally unfamiliar with those people and not connected at all to hold them in check shall we if they are allowed to even stay there for now.

If you have collusion on the key positions the entire system collapses into a run away gang because there is nothing to keep them in check. However take that away from them and what you get is a system where DT will not abuse their position because unlike the gang we have now that will endorse and sanction the abuse or too scared to stand out from the gang... you will have a diverse group all much less giving a shit if they are part of the "gang" we have now and if they see abuse they will say fuck off that is abuse removed it or will will exclude you and also balance that red. They will also likely include other trust worthy persons and not just their proven ass kissers and acolytes.

There is simply no point having a decentralised system that starts completely centralised with a group of entrenched colluders (observably in many ways) and then you hand those colluders the key positions to nominate new persons and they also have the means (merit sources) to either recruit or withhold the threshold merits for others to join. So they can cherry pick who should be there or not. I mean it is obviously not going to work or it is ever going to work it will take a VERY long while.

Obviously it is a complex system and you would likely need a serious game theory boffin to create a self sustaining decentralised system that can maintain anything like a fair and equal posting environment whilst kicking off scammers in an optimal way. It may even be impossible on an anonymous forum where people can have multiple sock puppets.
However TIME can not be gamed so adding a minimum TIME penalty for discovered and obvious abuse it better than not having it surely and the fact that it will bring into these key positions persons not obviously already in the colluding gang we have now.

Merit is actually the key here DT is secondary now since Merit is trust too apparently.

Of course you need a specific mandate for both with clear and detailed criteria and definition for merit and trust. You also need strict and swift punishment for those ignoring this framework.  Just the threat of getting blacklisted or worse for abuse will be enough that it needs only a little correcting now and then.

Who will risk blacklisting of a 4 year old account and I say also sig ban for 3 years for abusing a position of trust and responsibility and in serious cases a ton of red for them too. That is pretty much like a ban for most greedy and selfish users.

Again anyone with proven dark incidents in their history that make them dishonest or likely to scam need to be blacklisted anyway. Why would you have persons in trust positions that are proven already untrustworthy it makes zero sense.

This is not about DT only the key nominating positions in DT. That is what is making it pseudo decentralised when really you could not have take a forum of this size and made it MORE centralised. Start examining their post histories, their merit fans recipients, the DT includes their DT EXCLUSIONS (even worse)  all their interactions on this board. This is a centralised pot of scum for the most part. DO some digging it is all there just put in some effort and examine their past histories.

You find them supporting some of the most unfair and scam like projects here, you will find them implicated in all kinds of extortion and other foul deeds, you will find them creating puppet accounts to spam for btc dust whilst lecturing others on financial shit posting. Supporting these kinds of people willingly whilst red trusting people for promoting "possible scams" unwilling to even say a proven lie is a lie. This is a host of scum I am telling you all. These are facts and are there in black and white.

Then go examine MY OWN entire post history you will find me NEVER scamming, NEVER being greedy , NEVER refusing to help others who are being bullied when i don't even know them, ALWAYS finding real scams and meeting them head on against tons of scammers and scam pumpers in public not hiding away snitching on them.. ALWAYS fighting for fairer distributions (see the huge arguments on Byteball when it launched i was the only person saying make it fairer for new people with no btc or not much btc)  ALWAYS sharing all my research on great projects with others BEFORE it goes up massively so others can benefit also from this research. Getting thanked my many for making them super wealthy in public and in PMs.

Here I am telling you to make the systems of control fairer so everyone gets equal opportunity and free speech is not crushed and I AM THE BAD GUY NOW?? OH REALLY? and I am just doing it all for my selfish gain you say??

I think you made a typo - shouldn't that be a killerpost?

This would make sense if the activity was given for useful posts in a few limited sections of the forum. Until I not see than 1,000-1,500 bounty-reports or flooding not about than, better than 250 earned merit?

And if you make a limit of 100 merits, not 250 merits - it is easy to abuse. 2 Legendary account which could fill activity shitposting in sections off-topic and bounty (and who received 200 sMerit) will be sent from one account to another at 100 merits - and here you have 2 votes to vote.

It went right when I found DT members trying to bully an innocent person.

Then I found out about the snake pit of meta full of sig spamming merit cycling DT bullies that thought they could do what they like to whom they like when they like.

Sadly those days are done. You can for the moment still trust abuse and control the free speech of some however others that need not worry about some red trust can state facts and observable events at will.

Anyone opposing me is simply fighting against the formation of a fairer system for all. That is a FACT.

Anything that I have said or pushed for is to that one single aim. FACT.

Of course a fool like loyceV  who has one party trick copy and paste stats puke with MINOR analysis has more merit than satoshi is not going to like hearing the truth that merit is subjective garbage and his self made x2legendary status is a joke. I asked him for some of his achievements that have made any difference here and there was NOTHING. I asked for one insightful thought provoking post that would have big implications for this board or community again NOTHING.

So of course he is offended because I told him his merit score means nothing it is subjective political junk or stats copy and paste puked derived. How would anything change here one bit if we did not have 50 threads analysing how many cycled merits they all have and who abused it the most for their own ends. Who cares. Better to make the systems better so people here are guaranteed fair and equal treatment and free speech is once again given back to all members of this board who may not share the views or ideologies or agendas of DT and Merit cycling bullies.

ALSO the persons giving me these negative trust LoyceV the Absolute Imbecile  are SCAM pushers and liars who were pushing scams and lying there was no fucking instamine like your scum sucking pal LAUDA and the pharmacist and nutildah etc  ALL pushing scams for financial gain now all pushing for control for more selfish reasons. You are supporting them so you are just as bad.

So does that answer you mr self made cycled x2 legendary waste of space? I love how you pop up sniping once your pals do but NEVER dare debate anything with me one on one because the last times you tried it I demonstrated how fragile your mind is. Bring your debate here not you sniping and usual dumb shit like you just did. Yeah bring MORE negative trust from proven SCAM pumpers and protectors because I point out their scams. You do realise to anyone with any brains that are not corrupt scum that is like an endorsement for being a scam hunter and honest and fair member?

Now stop posting on this thread unless it is a sensible case for why 250 cycled shit merits is better than just 100 and 1500 activity.

I notice all the same "merit" cyclers here from the merit-merry-go-round.

Now back ON TOPIC

post your reasons loyce why you think 250 earned merits is better than 100 + 1500 activity or fuck off and copy more merit stats crap to merit board in your own threads.



 

Saving Bitcoin.

Correct, a full kilopost!

Things went sideways when he exchanged the Altcoin boards for the cool boards.

Hang on, I'll get it for you

Please can you stop derailing my post you dirty snake. Of course a scumbag like you that also happens to be an imbecile would not even dare debate the OP but try to weasel and snake into the thread with personal attacks and false accusations.

I see just another feltching ass kissing imbecile trying to come here to flagrantly break the local rules and derail.

It's called 1000 posts seeking a fairer system against entrenched beneficiaries of a broken and abused system in their own nest vipers. If you wish to debate it make your own thread can you not read my local rules?

Don't derail further or I request your posts removed.

Present a case for 250 merits vs 100 plus 1500 activity or fuck off.

I just checked CH's post history, and their last 50 PAGES of posts have been just spewing vitriol and hatred toward everybody and the system.

Thats (and Loyce back me up on my math here) 1,000 POSTS of how pissed off they are at the forum!

That is an unhealthy obsession if I ever saw one.

I really don't understand it.

What was CH doing here before they went off the rails? I really only noticed them after they started posting in Meta every single day.

That is why I put the TLDR part.

However, it is essentially detailing the advantages of over 100 merits + 1500 activity over 250 earned merits.

These advantages are quite obvious but most people would rather resort to ad hominem fallacy and speculate incorrectly on my motives for this suggested upgrade so I have to spend a large part of my post defending of such false allegations.

To be honest, as usual, CH makes a very long threads, but I felt really hard to catch his ideas.
I appreciated his time to compose those threads, but I strongly think that next time he should make shorter threads that should better concentrate on main ideas.

Change is the part of life.  We observe several changes whether these are favorable or unfavorable and we have to accept willingly or unwillingly.  
The small point I want to add is that using bad abusive words for any other member should be banned.
I see most of the people are very intelligent here in debate like this.  If we can add soft words to our intelligent debate it will look very nice.

Oh please, you are prone to calling people names. That is a form of trolling. In fact most people on this forum are prone to being a troll from time to time. If you are looking for honeypots of merit where people are posting net positive and valuable posts, just head over to Development & Technical Discussion or Bitcoin Technical Support.
Also, if someone has some collectables to sell, the Collectibles board can help someone rack up the merit. There are probably other merit honeypots outside of meta and reputation that I am missing. The merit system is much more decentralized than you seem to think. There are 122 merit sources and they are not exclusively distributing their merit here. Theymos should consider enlisting some more notables in the altcoin community to become merit sources since the altcoin boards do seem to lack some love at the moment.

We already have a DimWit for an OP, does that count?


Ok, I'll humor you. What are "key positions"?

When I visit this thread, I can never tell if I am on page 1, 2 or 3. I vote that it is time for a hard fork, or for the adoption of NewWit.

One more scenario of toughening of selection:
- 5 users having on 250+ merits
- 10 users having on 100+ merits

LOL first suchmoon begs moderators to DELETE my posts containing on topic relevant facts that demonstrate she supports proven liars, trust abusers and greedy sneaky racist trolling sock puppet sig spammers

Now she just tells people DONT READ the truth about her.

Now, please just get back to snitching on minor shit and playing whack a mole so you feel you have achieved something here in this community. Or lying trying to get people banned for doxing you then saying that was not even a dox and that name/address is nothing related to you at all.

Now stick on topic and stop derailing else I will request your derailing trash is deleted from my thread.

Present a case for the 250 earned merits vs 100 merits + 1500 activity or shut up.


@Bones

are you now claiming that I am a troll? If so present the incorrect and trolling posts in a thread claiming they are are trolling and I'll see you there.

Start with the thread of the year trolling thread because i can't get people to that thread even after they chime in then run off

Or perhaps the let's define net positive and valuable posts

Or well ANY thread I have started in meta. Just bring it here and list it under is cryptohunter a troll and we can break down the posts and see if it is trolling or if it is presentation of facts and observable events and an attempt to make this board a fairer and better place for all members.

Or ANY of the merit cycling threads I started that have demonstrated meta is just a place to slather each other up with merit lube before verbally masturbating all over each other how great we all are for giving all this merit to each other... often for just making graphs and stats about all the merit we have LOL

When I look at the snitchy bitchy crap suchmoon posts in reply to a lot of people and also the LACK of original content /suggestions that actually would make ANY difference to the board in a big way then I realise that she is just a big bag of wasted merit.

So nothing of note ever achieved here except whack a mole and snitching on minor shit and supporting proven untrustworthy scum and accused of actual scamming herself in the past. = yeah excellent member suchmoon.

I am pushing for a fairer board for everyone with NO SCAMMERS in DT whilst suchmoon admits merit is meaningless but want to use it as a method of control over the board because it suits her and the other proven untrustworthy scum to maintain positions of power for selfish gain and silence free speech.