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Now i have to tell you the reality of the politics. Either president or government bodies may be much weaker than private groups. Your president might be a puppet nor your government

It depends, not all the time the president is greater than the government and vice versa.

Sometimes the governments power is divided into three, no one should be greater than each other.

There are type of government where the President is on power on the whole government and there are also type where the President is just a representative and not the sole ruler.
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The majority of the country's President is always a subject to government. For me, the country's Prime Minister is stronger than the President.
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Now i have to tell you the reality of the politics. Either president or government bodies may be much weaker than private groups. Your president might be a puppet nor your government
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Sorry not knowing this kind of stuff, its just i wanted to know who's the strong one of them because some of my friend told me that the government is strong because they can decide to impeach the president and also i thought that president is more stronger than the government for that the president is more likely  has a bigger rank of his country.. so i need your opinion on this one and teach me Cheesy

Your question could possibly be more vague  Smiley

In coutries such as Russia or Turkey, president is effectively head of the government aswell, in other euro countries (s)he is merely a figurehead for ceremonial occasions. United States and France fall somewhere inbetween those two extremes.

To be sure, you would have to actually read constituion of said country, as constitution clearly specifies who holds what powers in executive branch.
I disagree with you. The reading of the Constitution will do nothing. In Russia or Ukraine, for example, Parliament is an independent branch of government, but in fact it is not. Especially in Russia. It is a dictatorial country disguised as a democracy.

I wonder how do you define "dictatorial" country, that label is awfully popular today.
If you mean that either Ukraine or Russia is ruled by one dictator without limits, then that is blatantly false.

Russia has quite peculiar power elites, that struggle against each other in the Moscow and Petrograd. Not unlike power elites do the same in Washington. In both countries, president has to expend quite alot of energy on mediating interests of different cliques.

Ukraine is even more complicated as politicians blend with oligarchs and western agents, who keep pumping free money in the country.

Atleast in the first case however, rule of law is formally followed, when power balance requires it, the law is changed. So, take your time and read it  Wink
LOL. Is Russia ruled by law? What wars elite? What are you talking about? Without the approval of Putin's Russia, nothing is done. All the opposition was killed. What is this if not a dictatorship?

How old are you? You know, Russia was around before you were born. It was around before Putin was born also. Heresy, I know, since Putin is Russia and Russia is Putin according to your favourite television news network.

Modern russian politics is not that different from early Roman empire, or before that Macedon - that is if can take post-communist era as a precedent. Ruler appoints successor, which then has to gain popular approval. Laws are made, amended or eliminated to reflect shifting power balance between different groups in Kremlin.

I dont think you are going to understand, since your perception of politics started and ended with work of Tolkien.
To compare the age of the country with the person's age is not correct. Russia is a country with an authoritarian ruler. Putin does not allow democratic elections to take place. The Russians don't want to change anything. Their ability to resist was suppressed in the days of Stalin.

But. Consider that the rulers of Russia are people. They need air to breathe, water to drink, food to eat, etc.  This means that they follow many of the natural laws of people in the things that they do. It also means that they have to have a following to get things done... because they are not strong enough alone to do much more than any other people.

The point is the following. Their military is part of their following. Why does each individual soldier remain a soldier to do what Russian leaders say? Simply because of fear that they will be executed by their fellow soldiers at the command of the leader(s).

In other words, most all military people suffer from Stockholm Syndrome, just like the Muslims regarding Islam. If the Russian leaders are shrewd enough, they can gradually drag more and more of their people into this syndrome through the military. It's like that all over.

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i think the president , the president control the army, means he can do anything

us president
dr president
ht president
vn president

they can do anything cause they control the army.

you can see that in Venezuela and most countrie in latin america the power is on President hands.
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It depends mainly on country. In some countries like Belarus, Russia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan all power is on president hands. But there was one paradox: when Russian president was Medvedev and prime minister Putin, all power unofficially was in hands of Putin, was only puppet. In mostly European countries main job of presidents is foreign politics, but still, they have veto right to not accept new laws made by parliament (laws are offered by government). In some countries like Germany president almost don't have power.
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Sorry not knowing this kind of stuff, its just i wanted to know who's the strong one of them because some of my friend told me that the government is strong because they can decide to impeach the president and also i thought that president is more stronger than the government for that the president is more likely  has a bigger rank of his country.. so i need your opinion on this one and teach me Cheesy

Your question could possibly be more vague  Smiley

In coutries such as Russia or Turkey, president is effectively head of the government aswell, in other euro countries (s)he is merely a figurehead for ceremonial occasions. United States and France fall somewhere inbetween those two extremes.

To be sure, you would have to actually read constituion of said country, as constitution clearly specifies who holds what powers in executive branch.
I disagree with you. The reading of the Constitution will do nothing. In Russia or Ukraine, for example, Parliament is an independent branch of government, but in fact it is not. Especially in Russia. It is a dictatorial country disguised as a democracy.

I wonder how do you define "dictatorial" country, that label is awfully popular today.
If you mean that either Ukraine or Russia is ruled by one dictator without limits, then that is blatantly false.

Russia has quite peculiar power elites, that struggle against each other in the Moscow and Petrograd. Not unlike power elites do the same in Washington. In both countries, president has to expend quite alot of energy on mediating interests of different cliques.

Ukraine is even more complicated as politicians blend with oligarchs and western agents, who keep pumping free money in the country.

Atleast in the first case however, rule of law is formally followed, when power balance requires it, the law is changed. So, take your time and read it  Wink
LOL. Is Russia ruled by law? What wars elite? What are you talking about? Without the approval of Putin's Russia, nothing is done. All the opposition was killed. What is this if not a dictatorship?

How old are you? You know, Russia was around before you were born. It was around before Putin was born also. Heresy, I know, since Putin is Russia and Russia is Putin according to your favourite television news network.

Modern russian politics is not that different from early Roman empire, or before that Macedon - that is if can take post-communist era as a precedent. Ruler appoints successor, which then has to gain popular approval. Laws are made, amended or eliminated to reflect shifting power balance between different groups in Kremlin.

I dont think you are going to understand, since your perception of politics started and ended with work of Tolkien.
To compare the age of the country with the person's age is not correct. Russia is a country with an authoritarian ruler. Putin does not allow democratic elections to take place. The Russians don't want to change anything. Their ability to resist was suppressed in the days of Stalin.
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Sorry not knowing this kind of stuff, its just i wanted to know who's the strong one of them because some of my friend told me that the government is strong because they can decide to impeach the president and also i thought that president is more stronger than the government for that the president is more likely  has a bigger rank of his country.. so i need your opinion on this one and teach me Cheesy

Your question could possibly be more vague  Smiley

In coutries such as Russia or Turkey, president is effectively head of the government aswell, in other euro countries (s)he is merely a figurehead for ceremonial occasions. United States and France fall somewhere inbetween those two extremes.

To be sure, you would have to actually read constituion of said country, as constitution clearly specifies who holds what powers in executive branch.
I disagree with you. The reading of the Constitution will do nothing. In Russia or Ukraine, for example, Parliament is an independent branch of government, but in fact it is not. Especially in Russia. It is a dictatorial country disguised as a democracy.

I wonder how do you define "dictatorial" country, that label is awfully popular today.
If you mean that either Ukraine or Russia is ruled by one dictator without limits, then that is blatantly false.

Russia has quite peculiar power elites, that struggle against each other in the Moscow and Petrograd. Not unlike power elites do the same in Washington. In both countries, president has to expend quite alot of energy on mediating interests of different cliques.

Ukraine is even more complicated as politicians blend with oligarchs and western agents, who keep pumping free money in the country.

Atleast in the first case however, rule of law is formally followed, when power balance requires it, the law is changed. So, take your time and read it  Wink
LOL. Is Russia ruled by law? What wars elite? What are you talking about? Without the approval of Putin's Russia, nothing is done. All the opposition was killed. What is this if not a dictatorship?

How old are you? You know, Russia was around before you were born. It was around before Putin was born also. Heresy, I know, since Putin is Russia and Russia is Putin according to your favourite television news network.

Modern russian politics is not that different from early Roman empire, or before that Macedon - that is if can take post-communist era as a precedent. Ruler appoints successor, which then has to gain popular approval. Laws are made, amended or eliminated to reflect shifting power balance between different groups in Kremlin.

I dont think you are going to understand, since your perception of politics started and ended with work of Tolkien.
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Abraham Lincoln said, "Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth."
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/abrahamlin101395.html

Be patient with the information on Karl Lentz. Karl shows us that the Government (the people) are stronger than the President. Google and Youtube search on "Karl Lentz common law."

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Not all people are able to resist. In many countries it really is. Usually if this happens then there is a dictatorship. Look for example how this happening in Russia.
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Abraham Lincoln said, "Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth."
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/abrahamlin101395.html

Be patient with the information on Karl Lentz. Karl shows us that the Government (the people) are stronger than the President. Google and Youtube search on "Karl Lentz common law."

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Sorry not knowing this kind of stuff, its just i wanted to know who's the strong one of them because some of my friend told me that the government is strong because they can decide to impeach the president and also i thought that president is more stronger than the government for that the president is more likely  has a bigger rank of his country.. so i need your opinion on this one and teach me Cheesy


As far as i know Government is much powerful than the President,President is only a public image of the Government besides that Presidents/Leaders in each country have a so called political advisers which are more powerful than them,Behind the public image of a leader there are the one's controlling them like puppets giving them such's commands.You may be right that the Government has the power to impeached the President coz Government is composed of not only politicians but also people living in the country.
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Sorry not knowing this kind of stuff, its just i wanted to know who's the strong one of them because some of my friend told me that the government is strong because they can decide to impeach the president and also i thought that president is more stronger than the government for that the president is more likely  has a bigger rank of his country.. so i need your opinion on this one and teach me Cheesy

Well i think the government is not controlled by the president in the first place. Sometimes the presidents just acts as puppets for more powerful persons in the government so i have to say that its the government that has more power here.
No i think president can control the government since he is the president if he is doing a right way no fraud or corrupt as president he can control the governments will like taxes. like here in my country maybe in the other country they can control president but can not control government by the president..
It all depends on the model of the state. There are States where the President has very great power, and there are States in which the President has only representative functions and does not affect the policy of the country. Not knowing what specifically had in mind the country you can argue until infinity and all will be right.
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Sorry not knowing this kind of stuff, its just i wanted to know who's the strong one of them because some of my friend told me that the government is strong because they can decide to impeach the president and also i thought that president is more stronger than the government for that the president is more likely  has a bigger rank of his country.. so i need your opinion on this one and teach me Cheesy

Well i think the government is not controlled by the president in the first place. Sometimes the presidents just acts as puppets for more powerful persons in the government so i have to say that its the government that has more power here.
No i think president can control the government since he is the president if he is doing a right way no fraud or corrupt as president he can control the governments will like taxes. like here in my country maybe in the other country they can control president but can not control government by the president..
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Sorry not knowing this kind of stuff, its just i wanted to know who's the strong one of them because some of my friend told me that the government is strong because they can decide to impeach the president and also i thought that president is more stronger than the government for that the president is more likely  has a bigger rank of his country.. so i need your opinion on this one and teach me Cheesy

Well i think the government is not controlled by the president in the first place. Sometimes the presidents just acts as puppets for more powerful persons in the government so i have to say that its the government that has more power here.
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There is no president or government just the new world order illuminati-freemason cult which is a multinational group to not only have complete control over their own lives but having control and influence the entire world. grow up people-wake the hell up.
Do you believe in global conspiracy? But what about the coming to power of Trump? It seems to me that he doesn't look like a person who can enter into a world government. I don't think they are interested in to destroy the entire world order.
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There is no president or government just the new world order illuminati-freemason cult which is a multinational group to not only have complete control over their own lives but having control and influence the entire world. grow up people-wake the hell up.
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The U.S. Constitution provides the principle of separation of powers into three branches: legislative, Executive and judicial. This system is designed to balance all the institutions of power, not giving advantages to any of them, and keep thereby the current democratic system. The Executive branch of the Federal government is headed by the President of the United States, who is the head of state and government.
The US President is elected for four years, and one person cannot hold this post more than two terms.
Only after the President signs the laws passed by Congress go into effect. The President also has the right of veto, to overcome which the Congress can only collecting two-thirds vote in both houses.
The US President is the Supreme commander of the Armed forces of the United States.
The US President directly supervises the activities of all agencies of the Executive branch of the Federal government
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Sorry not knowing this kind of stuff, its just i wanted to know who's the strong one of them because some of my friend told me that the government is strong because they can decide to impeach the president and also i thought that president is more stronger than the government for that the president is more likely  has a bigger rank of his country.. so i need your opinion on this one and teach me Cheesy

When we speak of government and the president there are no things to discuss. The president is the head of the government and cannot be a president of a country without a government. A government is the system that is made for the purpose of serving the people. It is made by the people to serve the people. In a government the president as well as all the officials and political entities are not powerful but the wielder of power are the people because the real government are the people.
The President is not the head of government. You are wrong. The head of government is Prime Minister. Another thing is that in authoritarian States the dictator controls the government and the Prime Minister became a nominal position.
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Sorry not knowing this kind of stuff, its just i wanted to know who's the strong one of them because some of my friend told me that the government is strong because they can decide to impeach the president and also i thought that president is more stronger than the government for that the president is more likely  has a bigger rank of his country.. so i need your opinion on this one and teach me Cheesy

When we speak of government and the president there are no things to discuss. The president is the head of the government and cannot be a president of a country without a government. A government is the system that is made for the purpose of serving the people. It is made by the people to serve the people. In a government the president as well as all the officials and political entities are not powerful but the wielder of power are the people because the real government are the people.
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As I know that president is only the status or rank which is given by government so we can say that government is stronger than president .president is impressed with government they have to fallowed the all rules given by government .Government can remove the president from their rank by prosecution .
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